TWG CXXXI - Game of Champions

[Charu]

Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

Tokzic

[Charu]

Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

to phrase that better, I think FoJaR's case on Fiction makes no sense.

Yet you have FoJaR to almost locked clear?

The fuck?

[Charu]

Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

I was not absent for 24 hours. I showed my face in the thread around noon to state that I would not be around for a while, because I was LANing Heroes of the Storm.

I am being vocal about my other wolf read. Fiction is making my gut go bonkers right now. Maybe you mean I am not vocally considering him for a lynch. I am not considering him for a lynch for many reasons:

1) i <3 ficcy and haven't played twg with him in a century

2) As he himself states, Fiction is impossible to read and I don't have a lead so much as I have a strong gut feeling. I think he'd be a better Seering than a D1 Lynch.

3) ur way wolfier dude

I mean look at this shit.

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

End of day 1

(2) manti - fiction, blind
(1) james may - vendetta
(5) dabackpack - j-rodd, tokzic, choof, zenith, plop
(1) blind - dbp

no vote - james may, fojar, psychoangel

day one nonsense

j-rodd -> fiction
Vendetta -> blind
choof -> blind
fiction -> Manti
blind -> Tokzic
Popadop -> choof
Vendetta -> Popadop
FoJaR -> fiction
fiction -> Vendeta
Vendetta -> fiction
fiction -> blind
Tokxiz -> blind
Manti -> Popadop

HAS NOT VOTED -
James May
Psychoangel


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fiction - XXX
blind - XXX
Tokzic - X
choof - X
Popadop - X

day two slightly less nonsense


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1. FictionJunction - manti, blind
4. MrPopadopalis25 - dbp, choof/charu,
6. psychoangel691 (thesunfan) - nobody, nobody
7. vendetta21 - james may, fiction
8. j-rodd123 - dbp, fiction
9. Fojar - nobody, fiction
12. Tokzic - dbp, blind
13. choof (charu) - dbp, blind

didn't get as much out of that as i thought i would, only thing that popped out to me is tokzic's voting record which i hadn't noticed before but i don't think it's quite enough data to do anything with, so mostly useless for me but maybe someone else will see something

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

rereading the thread I'm actually becoming pretty sold on fiction will post more on that in an hour or two

[j-rodd123]

Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

ur doing god's work V

[j-rodd123]

Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

Right now I really don't think I'm capable of doing that. I tried earlier but realized the only person I have reasonably close to lock clear is FoJaR, because I don't think a wolf does what he's been doing with Fiction. Don't understand his case at all.

I want to kill Tokzic mainly for his tone, but I usually want to kill him.

Jrodd rubs me the wrong way and I think he honestly overreacted to the pressure applied to James. If jrodd if a wolf I think fiction is always town. I also kind of believe Fiction when he claims he didn't know that Zenith softed that Manti was his random check.

I kind of like V based on his vocabulary this game, which is a weird read. I think his push on plop is kinda mind-meldy with me, because ever since the dawn of time and only stopping recently, I have always pushed on plop for his neutralness.

That's honestly the best I've got atm.

must suck to sub in as a wolf

[Charu]

Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

I don't know if blind thought that was an actual smart move to make as a green but what's cool about a green trying to distract the reds from killing the real blue by pretending to be blue himself is that it sounds great in theory but is hard to defend after the blue dies because it's a such a convenient position for a red to be in.

Reds are in a better position to BS this because there's 0% chance of getting killed at night if the 'distractions are working,' presumably a green throwing fake blue flags will get the reds' attention. Of course, the only draw back is that a seer that is seeing this playing out should recognize that the fake blue flag person should be the first person he seers.

Now that the blue is actually dead, blind is in a convenient red player position - but I don't know that he would've figured out that Zenith was throwing out flags himself. I actually don't know the answer to this question, either. Not yet.

Since wolves can talk at night, it's likely that a smarter red made the call on Zenith and saw a sort of double opportunity in blind:

1) There's the potential narrative that blind is a green trying to help the blue. Now that the seer is dead, this will be hard to push forward but it's unlikely Zenith would have seered blind anyway.

2) If this narrative doesn't go through and blind dies tonight and he is red, this gives reds an opportunity to separate themselves from blind.

lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

fiction is a wolf guys

[Charu]

Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

oh god zenith why would you soft this hard ;_;

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[FictionJunction]

Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

Yet you have FoJaR to almost locked clear?

The fuck?

if Fojar is red he's a last minute red - not worth pursuing right now. His move is too volatile and senseless and pointless that it's not worth giving your attention to.

Focus elsewhere. He's likely green. And dumb.

[Charu]

Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

I went back through the thread and looked at the dap interactions. It seems like he was originally suspected because of his suspicions on zenith for the asskissing/hand stuff (which explains jrodd, zenith, and choof's votes), and then because he was opportunistically moving his vote and line of thought around a lot (which explains tokzic's vote). V's reasoning was that dap was using false or thin reasoning to justify his zenith suspicions, and then claims that dap "just seems a bit woofy to me." Later on, the impetus for the lynch was that it had generated a significant amount of discussion that could be used for analysis (jrodd, zenith, and fiction suggest this, although fiction never actually votes for dap) or that the wagon was the purest (my vote, although I was part of the analysis boat as well).

Of these people, I'd say that choof, V, and tokzic are the most suspicious.

V's progression on dap was telling him to just post at the onset of the game, pointing out that he's tunneling on zenith while still being noncommittal, which then leads to a more or less permanent vote on dap since he "just seems a bit woofy to me."

Choof pinged out dap for saying he was going to investigate zenith's hand stuff but then saying nevermind right after, and then continues doing so when dap does the same thing with me, and then later on agrees with tokzic's points about dap testing the waters. Choof tunneled pretty hard on dap, and his neutrality (ie saying a zenith vote is neither good nor bad, or saying he doesn't like manti's post about being purposefully UTR but then relenting after manti replies, or saying he'd like james dead but not voting for him, or calling out blind and dap for having a "fake tone" but not going into further detail) makes it seem to me like he's testing the waters and playing opportunistically as well.

Tokzic was absent for most of the phase, joked around a lot, and then tunneled on dap (the most popular wagon) using the same reasoning that everybody else on the wagon supplied, and then left the thread without ever changing his vote. However, I can't seem to recall anybody other than blind defending tokzic, which makes me suspect he's just a lazy town.

And now tokzic is orienting himself towards the next most popular wagon.

Hmm... I like your attention on tokzic here because I agree 100% with it.

[FictionJunction]

Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

I think the question re: V pushing on Lames early is interesting.

[FictionJunction]

Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

rereading the thread I'm actually becoming pretty sold on fiction will post more on that in an hour or two

what am I posting about?

[FictionJunction]

Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

ohhhh, I can't read

can't wait

[FictionJunction]

Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

I don't know, I'm really feeling Jrodd guys.