TWG 189: Funnygurl VS T-Force Rivalry GAME THREAD

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 189: Funnygurl VS T-Force Rivalry GAME THREAD

For what it's worth, someone can't receive the same action twice.

So no one can be instantly killed or have one vote on them for a phase.

thanks for telling us that someone can't be instakilled twice in one game

[psychoangel691]

Re: TWG 189: Funnygurl VS T-Force Rivalry GAME THREAD

I assume everyone is town untill their not.

You mean you know all the town cause you is wolf right?

tbh. I dont know who to vote at this point. I have a couple of people I have on my radar. I dont know exactly specifics. I will devulge info post thsi date.

Has people on radar, doesn't say whom or why. Not exactly very helpful to town. Even if it’s just a little bit of info on what you’re thinking it could be extremely helpful to us. Two of the people we ended up losing have provided us with basically nothing to go off of other than they were town. So yeah, this very non committal post makes you suspect to me.

Usaly you are town or the lasy tim you are town idk. why you vote me.

I just dont like xel jumping on my case but what do i know

You dont attack me, so i think you are wolf

Last quote in this set here is towards Charu. Just super lazy play here.

Hmm. WV hasnt been talking Idk if thats because of anything or they are trying to lay low.

Xiz is also not talking. Maybe trying to lay low.

Xel jumped on me for a remark might be nothing might be trying to see if people will follow.

Shadows remarks of my "gross list" is kind of wierd maybe just trying to get people to jump on me.

Poptart is Poptart.

These are my questionable reads.

I had forgotten that Kayla was playing too. Also is not posting a lot maybe trying to lay low. that would also be a read for possible wolf.

Im probably going to vote one of the low posters. But havnt really decided yet. I need to figure out which lynch would give us the most info I havnt really figured out that part yet.

Way too much focus on the “laying low” to me. Plus jumping towards voting someone who is a low poster which would provide least info to town when flipped. Granted yes, there could be a wolf laying low but in a first day setting if we don’t nail that wolf and just hit an inactive town what good does it do us?

oh i didnt know dabackpack was playing. well so many people arnt talking very much

I mean, it’s really your own fault for not checking the roster as you’re going through and playing the game. Just more lazy play from you here.

Im here too. :/ Id almost say lynch me to just get info at this point. I know its a dumb move but, Like Id rather you guys see where I am coming from so you have some info going forward.

My opinion is shadow is going to give info whether or not the turn red or blue,
Id also Vote WV.
InD is someone too look closely at going forward.
Xel might be a good person to look at as well.
H&H is acting wierd but idk.
Rest is either not talking or trying imo to help.

I totally missed the “lynch me” part here the first time I’d read this post. That’s hella wolfy to me. Feel like you’re trying to make people think “oh he’s willing to self sacrifice, not wolfing” I don’t like this post one bit. Acting weird how? All of this again is so very non comittal.

you arnt talking and you vote me

This was towards WV. You aren’t talking and vote me is just...no

Shadow Unless someone has a better lynch Im doing this

Way too opportunistic if you ask me.

have you read anything I posted.
I think regardless if shadow gets blue or red its the most info right now. I think shadow is more red then blue, but im not about to lynch someone who gives no info if they turn blue.

Shadow for one hasnt really said much of sustance the reads list is kind of bad cause not too much context and I dont know why a lot of the people are on there.

No explanation on why he feels shadow is more red than blue. Goes on about how it’ll give info but then goes on to say that shadow hadn’t said much of sustance and that his reads were bad because not much context (which is ironic) and I believe by this point it had been noted that shadow was going to be away for EOD and couldn’t answer questions about anything. This really feels like a wolf trying to jump on an easy kill to me.

I can explain my reasoning. obv town doesnt want to lose town ever. And the way im playing may be bad. But my thought process is if we mislynch shadow we have more then mislynching say XEL, now on the other hand you can say well InD is a lot more info but, I would rather wait till d2 to start grilling them. This is my thought process.

This was in response to my inquiry on the blue thing since apparently he was unaware blue are power roles. Why would you wait till d2 to grill anyone? The more people talk the more info we have and the better odds we have someone slips. InD was active, holding off makes no sense. Not saying you’d necessarily kill, but to not “grill” them, I don’t know why you’d hold off on that.

Oh no, Blue is just town. for me Blue is town red is mafia/wolfes. Idk anything about prs right now.

Once again doesn’t bother to take the time to understand mechanics of the game. Very lazy play.

SO is subaru the vote you guys want to go with. I mean im fine with that.

Opportunistic again, willing to just go with the subaru vote without any hard reasoning.

we have 5 min im going to vote subaru if you guys cant decide whether or not its should be xel or subaru

Basically same as above.

I dont want to vote xel

But then uh oh, doesn’t wanna vote xel. Without going back through and just going off hand with previous info in my head makes me wanna go dbp, xel, kappa right here.

First up I havnt read much and Ill read tomorrow.
Subaru vote is whatever, Its based on a meta read which I can understand and its hard to fault it. The only issue is wolfs can easily go on that with no repercussions.

I am going to read a lot more the new guy chiro posted a shit ton, Idk if that is because his roll kind of looked bad or he thinks town is dumb and trying to fix it. Idk explain why you all gung ho so fast. Ill read mor eon what you wrote tomorrow morning.

DBP, and Ind have this wierd situation going on I dont like.
Kayla coming in last minute and not voting.
H&H please tell us what your opinioins are tomorrow.
Im think between InD and DBP one is wolf.
Shadow is still kind of wierd ill wait till they make some more posts.

all non posters yesterday need to start talking.

I’ll have to look into the DBP inD situation cause I’m not sure what this refers to when it comes to their interactions.
For the record, I did not come in last minute I was around for over an hour. There wasn’t much substance till close to day’s end. Which tends to happen first day.
What made shadow weird to you? Reading his posts I saw nothing really that stood out. Were you just looking for another easy kill for this phase?

Okay so I am going to first explain some of my train of thought. Xel didnt do like anything yesterday and people went on him. I dont know why and its make it even weirder that suncopter was pushing xel. I still think pushing Xel yesterday was bad. Obv he was unhelpful and its why I had some issues but, I was never going to vote.

Shadow hasnt done anything today very useful at all. Or really yesterday. I dont really like them still but, my vote on them was better for d1.

DBP Looks bad to me like really bad. First they dismiss pretty much me the entire EOD.
I ask a question about who to pick because I wanted shadow and people werent following, They say choose for yourself which looks like they want to cause more confusion. Idk top lynch for me at this point. I want to see how InD does today. I still am leaning more town.

Between H&H, XIZ/SVAZ, Kayla I think there is a wolf. I would lean more towards either H&H or SVAZ probably SVAZ over H&H but its close in my eyes. Maybe could be two wolves idk. Svaz posted recaps and made some comments. Kayla reads town but i dont have an amazing reason for it.
On another hand I Did not like WV at all at the end of EOD. and it sucks even more that they got subbed. I would vote WV just based on that EOD but, now Chihiro is doing a lot which causes me some issues.

3 Wolves, 1.DBP, 2. Svaz , 3. Shadow. Thats where I am at right now. 2 and 3 are not as strong. all are not 100%.

But why were you find with a subaru vote if not a xel vote? Feels like a partner protect at this point because you keep going on about how we’d not get info from it but subaru hadn’t posted really anything other than “I’m doing x right now” type posts.
You mention being useful a lot but huge majority of your posts have been very fluffy and not much substance.
DBP I’m going to look into more too because sunfan was starting to notice some things and I tend to trust sun’s reads over a lot of people.
I haven’t read up on these guys yet so can’t comment much on the end parts as of now.

Im lazy so im quoting everything.

Yeah I can see your point with Xel/DBP but, idk on one hand you can see that DPB goes on Xel for emotional reason, Xel starts doing something 2D DPB retracts said emotional attack and backs XEL.
I think the Suncopter kill in perticular is very DBP because again DBP was very dismissive of me and suncopter liked me. Idk about charu kill.
On that other hand DBP is town and so is xel and InD is wolf this is to me less likely by a lot. If XEL is going to play I want to know their opinions on DBP and InD specifically.

Just trying to clarify, are you saying DBP killed sun because he made you look town?


So overall:
67 posts and the majority of them are fluff. Comes across to me like “I wanna look like I’m helping but not really give any information” A lot of really lazy play going on right now, possibly partner protect. Right now you do have a scum lean from me, but would like to hear more from you on these points.

Skimming through I think I've seen a lot of people just toss kappa right in a town lean, so I guess I'm the odd one out but I feel like something's off here.

[psychoangel691]

Re: TWG 189: Funnygurl VS T-Force Rivalry GAME THREAD

jessie

Zenith subbed in for jessie

[inDheart]

Re: TWG 189: Funnygurl VS T-Force Rivalry GAME THREAD

so uh given what we know about VTs being T-Force, and that voting t-force activates the special power, wondering if the power only lands on VTs?

prolly not worth going into but mentioning it anyway so I can brag about it in postgame

i mean i could stop playing right now but i'd prefer to just believe it's the text "someone at random from the voters"

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 189: Funnygurl VS T-Force Rivalry GAME THREAD

all of the roulette actions have been negative, which leads me to think that all of them are negative

this might be useful to consider later if the game reaches parity, since the odds of something bad happening to a wolf are higher compared to how they were yesterday for example

play it by ear based on how future phases end up

[inDheart]

Re: TWG 189: Funnygurl VS T-Force Rivalry GAME THREAD

Zenith subbed in for jessie

oh, that's what i get for leaning on the OP

zenith

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 189: Funnygurl VS T-Force Rivalry GAME THREAD

i mean i could stop playing right now but i'd prefer to just believe it's the text "someone at random from the voters"

I'm not inclined to dig too deeply into this but "random" could be "random to us" or "random of a subset of voters"

activation requires a 2/3 majority and the initial setup has ~50% vanilla towns, so by the pigeonhole principle there is guaranteed to be a VT there if the mechanic fires off

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 189: Funnygurl VS T-Force Rivalry GAME THREAD

if it is some fuckery like "VTs only" then it's not even worth worrying about because there's not really anything we can do about it

moving on

[123kappa3]

Re: TWG 189: Funnygurl VS T-Force Rivalry GAME THREAD

Um I dont want to quote everything and yes its lazy but, the stuff I said that I think is most important is.

Why I didnt vote XEL.


Why I voted shadow.


Also why I voted Poptart.


So to explain. I wanted to vote shadow because they were the only person besides myself to put up some kind of read. because of that they or myself would be the most info for a lynch.


Xel said meme stuff that could be serious could not but, whatever he said he was going to play with salt before the game started anyway. He did nothing to help and I just wanted him to do something the next day.


Poptart played this game the same way he did when he was a wolf. Same way he played The game he subbed in. so between Poptart and Xel im going to vote Poptart everytime because Xel has a chance to do something Poptart doesnt.

ALso IM not going to Kitb thats dumb.

[inDheart]

Re: TWG 189: Funnygurl VS T-Force Rivalry GAME THREAD

This turn of event is actually helpful to me.

Chihiro is a strown town lean. Is only a replacement yet dug into the game like no one had so far. Could still be a great wolf, but I don't feel like he tried to protect anyone without legit reasons, and kind of looked into everyone equally, at least with the few posts so far.

Shadowgod is lock town for me, at least for the time being. I don't know how many games he's played before, but seeing him roll wolf almost everytime, he gives himself away fucking instantly, this time he's not anywhere near doing this, so he gets a pass for sure.

Indheart is a scumlean, his vote on me doesn't look bad, no vote on me could possibly look bad imo, but his defense when people brought it up sucked big time.

DBP town lean. He plays like in the Anime North game, and indheart I have as a scum lean anyway, which reinforces him imo. Xelnya push isn't bad, but he looks like himself and I think he knows that, so that's a slight jab against him

123kappa made some great points here and there but they're open to interpretation most of the time. Will keep an eye on what he says. What's up with the back and forth with Xel?

Psychoangel is hard null. You're busy IRL though so... yeah, that.

Charu you're posting but aren't involving yourself enough... At least based on your post count, you don't have half the substance lesser posters have. This makes you look bad but you can come back duder.

Jessie is T-Force aka useless so far

Xelnya is Xelnya. You better not be a fucking blue.

Svaz looks mediocre because you're what's left out if I don't count Jessie and Kayla.

Busy day for me but that's a start!

well first off, charu is dead, so it's kind of hard for him to come back

second off, i called out my own vote and dbp and i had a chat about how i was actually reading you; are you remembering some other kind of acerbic call-out that was supposed to slay me?

why do you say "xelnya push isn't bad, but" about dbp if you're at a town lean on him and nothing on xel? and are you saying him showing self-awareness is a bad thing here?

if you had to actually boil your kappa thing down to a read what would it be, and do you have a short list of great points

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 189: Funnygurl VS T-Force Rivalry GAME THREAD

DaBackpack is the most likely active player to be a wolf. I think his overanalysis of Kappa complaining about saying the wrong thing D0 is the best example of my concerns with his play. There was a 6 minute time frame between Kappa submitting his response to Xel, and Xel posting. With that in mind, I find DBP's analysis to have been completely context deaf. There are similar problems with his focus on inD. I have attempted to question him and been wholly unsatisfied with his participation.

what does this mean?

my thing with Kappa wasn't overanalysis, it was quite literally a contradiction or fabrication. when you're scumhunting you're looking for contradictions between actions and words. kappa had projected a different mindset than I think he actually has. him saying something stupid, then brushing it aside as "haha I always say something stupid D0" is indisputably weird with n=2. as a potential wolf trait, it's self-deprecation as a means of diffusing some perceived tension. it's not damning by itself, I didn't vote the guy, but I don't see how my reasoning isn't at least comprehensible to you.

You mention "context deaf". what about that six minute interval changes this scenario? like yeah when I did my catch up I read the entire thread in one go so I probably missed those time-sensitive cues but I'm wondering what specifically about this six-minute window factors in to your read on Kappa.

RE: Indheart, I probably goofed there, sure. I wolfread him for having a lot of posts, most of which were poking other players, and I thought he was trying to make a lot of "noise" without giving actual reads or content. It wasn't until we talked that I came around to the idea that indheart was doing this most likely for the reason he gave at face-value: there really wasn't anybody else talking and he took that into his own hands.

but you have to ask yourself not "is this person making logical sense" or "is this person considering this context", but "does this person believe what they're saying?"

to which I ask, do you not think I'm actually try to reason things out in both of those cases?





In my opinion Xel comes off as self focused and, lazy so far. Jokingly poking at Kappa does not really make him wolfy, nor does not being very available at the end. But they do not make him town, and he has done very little otherwise. He claims to be sad sun fan died, while supposedly maintaining anger against being pushed yesterday. I will not pretend that I think questioning Xel will help me. It is his choice to step up to the plate or not.

nah after yesterday I'd rather stick him in a crucible and if he's a wolf he'll crumble, letting him go at his own pace means nothing's gonna happen

response to star

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 189: Funnygurl VS T-Force Rivalry GAME THREAD

fwiw it's an action which explicitly means anything in this context. All of your roles perform actions.

bad response

[psychoangel691]

Re: TWG 189: Funnygurl VS T-Force Rivalry GAME THREAD

is literally anyone here

what do you think of kappa saying things that sound bad
what do you think of the xel posts i taped to the wall/is my thought worth valuing at all
at what point do you estimate anything will happen and/or are you keen on accelerating the timeline
what do you think of my vote
what do you think of sunfan's xiz vote
what do you think of t-force voters disclaiming they don't know what they're really voting for

While this comes off a little silly in the way it was done, feels like inD is actually trying to engage here.

cuil h&h

weak charu town or at least wouldnotlynch

i like charu
i mildly like shadowgod
you just reminded me to post back to xel so that's nice, xel and i do the same dance every time we play together i swear
i don't know what sunfan's doing and i haven't sufficiently dragged him to say enough to have a read yet
while i'll be the nth person to not be a fan of h&h's vote, 1) if he's really a dead slot for the rest of the day then it's not a productive direction and 2) does a wolf even
you're at least unaligned with charu
i haven't really dredged through the inactives

Just grabbed these two to note the town leans on people we lost. The h&h vote makes sense to me at the time as a prod.

@ sunfan

am i missing something on subaru because they seem to be very Here more than anything

This makes me think inD was weary on subaru wagon which we also know now is town.

xelnya

did we actually stumble on an issue here

Ends up with vote on xel where a few people seem to have a dpb/xel feel for wolves right now.


I didn’t quote a whole lot because I didn’t feel there was too much to pick apart in it. Definitely a fair bit of fluff but also a lot of posts that come off to me as actively trying to engage. Nothing had particularly stood out to me hard in a scum way right now so town lean for inD on my end for the moment.

[inDheart]

Re: TWG 189: Funnygurl VS T-Force Rivalry GAME THREAD

the whole "GOTCHA" deal, if you reread the posts about thatcher's blame, imagine dbp applying that to me instead of the other way round and i think you get what charu means

also it seems nice to run into so many healthy lookin posts on the way down

OK so what are you saying here, dbp/ind are w/w but trying not to look that way, or that they're not w/w and that t/t or t/w is possible here? 123kappa3 seemed to think that it was def w/t or t/w here so I'm just trying to get clarification here (it seemed like a possible t/t to me)

ohey i found a not w/w. like this post thinking-wise

Okay so I am going to first explain some of my train of thought. Xel didnt do like anything yesterday and people went on him. I dont know why and its make it even weirder that suncopter was pushing xel. I still think pushing Xel yesterday was bad. Obv he was unhelpful and its why I had some issues but, I was never going to vote.

would you say it is the unhelpfulness that led you to not want to vote xel?

svaz apparently beat me to my other question here (about dbp/xel) so that's cool

what helps you break the tie between svaz and h&h when you're picking your third wolf in this post?

I think this was about kappa's list?

seems like it

I believe somebody asked me about what I meant in saying InD and DBP not W/W. Let's retract that wording and just say I independently like InD in that interaction for saying ass pull.

i think svaz was more confused about what exactly you were saying about the alignment mix there because you didn't make a full sentence

[psychoangel691]

Re: TWG 189: Funnygurl VS T-Force Rivalry GAME THREAD

Um I dont want to quote everything and yes its lazy but, the stuff I said that I think is most important is.

Why I didnt vote XEL.


Why I voted shadow.


Also why I voted Poptart.


So to explain. I wanted to vote shadow because they were the only person besides myself to put up some kind of read. because of that they or myself would be the most info for a lynch.


Xel said meme stuff that could be serious could not but, whatever he said he was going to play with salt before the game started anyway. He did nothing to help and I just wanted him to do something the next day.


Poptart played this game the same way he did when he was a wolf. Same way he played The game he subbed in. so between Poptart and Xel im going to vote Poptart everytime because Xel has a chance to do something Poptart doesnt.

ALso IM not going to Kitb thats dumb.

I mean you basically said you'd go with whatever people were thinking between xel and subaru so why exactly would a kitb be dumb from your pov when you couldn't seem make a decision on your own thoughts anyway? It was a really weird switch up to me going from "I'll go with whomever you guys thing between the two" to "I'm not voting xel" and being afraid of a kitb between them.