FFR poker league -dead-

[awein999]

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Yeah I saw the first episode of season 7 and I was pretty disappointed. No full tilt players. Half the players were just super rich people coming to gamble. I remember one said he either wants to win a lot or lose a lot. Because he's donating his winnings or matching his deficit and donating that to his charity. That's not poker, it's an insult to the game to me. And a new dumb announcer And yeah not very good poker, definitely not up to the old standards of HSP.

[Reach]

Re: FFR poker league -ongoing-

Yeah I saw the first episode of season 7 and I was pretty disappointed. No full tilt players. Half the players were just super rich people coming to gamble. I remember one said he either wants to win a lot or lose a lot. Because he's donating his winnings or matching his deficit and donating that to his charity. That's not poker, it's an insult to the game to me. And a new dumb announcer And yeah not very good poker, definitely not up to the old standards of HSP.

It was entertaining, mostly because it's more typical of an actual high stakes poker table. Plus there were big pots.

Would like to have at least Dwan and Ivey in it as well though, mostly for the action. Excellent other additions would be Antonius, Blom and Cates, or someone like will reynolds.

Everything I was referencing was from the second episode.


In the first episode, the most interesting hand was an profound amateur mistake from the girl, Selbst, where she stacked off with QQ against a set.

I actually couldn't believe what happened there. She did everything right until Ruffin min raises out of turn. Why she doesn't fold faster than lightning in this spot, I do not know. There are absolutely no hands in Ruffin's range that would make that play that she is ahead of. Definitely one of the biggest mistakes I've seen on HSP from a supposed pro (Daniel has made some too, lol).

Tournament players...lol.

I see crap like this all the time at my level online. Even bad players don't fall for it, without the additional live tell of acting out of turn. It was so bad.

Obviously this isn't how you play a set in this spot either. You have to call. Doing anything else (should) gets pretty much all of Selbst's range to fold.

[ddrmaniacaaa]

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Gotta say im not liking the new season so far. This Norm guy sucks. Gabe was much more colorful and had a sense of humor. This new guy just calls the action and is dry. Also, there will be no full tilt players returning to the show because its all sponsered by Stars now (Even though the people from Doyle's room are allowed?). Kinda Bs considering most of us like Dwan and Ivey (and Gus Hanson and Eli Elezra wont be back either.)

Also dont like the new players filling their spots. Big business zillionaires that could care less if they get stacked 10 times. It seemed there was too many all in shoves before the flop, I wanted to see more poker.

All this at the same time and i think im done watching HSP. Guess im gonna go back to recording Poker After Dark even though i dont care for that announcer.

[awein999]

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Gotta say im not liking the new season so far. This Norm guy sucks. Gabe was much more colorful and had a sense of humor. This new guy just calls the action and is dry. Also, there will be no full tilt players returning to the show because its all sponsered by Stars now (Even though the people from Doyle's room are allowed?). Kinda Bs considering most of us like Dwan and Ivey (and Gus Hanson and Eli Elezra wont be back either.)

Also dont like the new players filling their spots. Big business zillionaires that could care less if they get stacked 10 times. It seemed there was too many all in shoves before the flop, I wanted to see more poker.

All this at the same time and i think im done watching HSP. Guess im gonna go back to recording Poker After Dark even though i dont care for that announcer.

Yeah I agree this is exactly what I think so far but I'll still watch HSP

[TC_Halogen]

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All this at the same time and i think im done watching HSP. Guess im gonna go back to recording Poker After Dark even though i dont care for that announcer.

Ali Nejad isn't a bad announcer in my opinion; he makes things pretty interesting and doesn't seem to mind taking a shot at players when they make odd plays or are just acting silly.

As to the issue of High Stakes Poker being sponsored entirely by Pokerstars, that's a bit ridiculous -- FTP has an extremely large American userbase in comparison to Stars, who seems to gently be pushing themselves to overseas members (one recalls the removal of Greg Raymer of stars, as Stars continues to promote the success of a young and barely seen Viktor Blom). Either way, I'll agree that it's definitely a step in the wrong direction to allow based off of sponsorships.

[TC_Halogen]

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Double post...

PokerStars Game #58899186250: Tournament #372927824, $0.25+$0.00 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2011/03/09 0:16:10 ET
Table '372927824 4' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: debit14 (2696 in chips)
Seat 2: bigfoot220 (6240 in chips)
Seat 3: issam_09 (9275 in chips)
Seat 4: candy_shop#1 (11948 in chips)
Seat 7: eagle335 (5120 in chips)
Seat 9: TreeBoss0526 (875 in chips)
debit14: posts the ante 25
bigfoot220: posts the ante 25
issam_09: posts the ante 25
candy_shop#1: posts the ante 25
eagle335: posts the ante 25
TreeBoss0526: posts the ante 25
bigfoot220: posts small blind 100
issam_09: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to debit14 [As Qc]
candy_shop#1: raises 200 to 400
eagle335: folds
TreeBoss0526: folds
debit14: raises 2271 to 2671 and is all-in
bigfoot220: folds
issam_09: calls 2471
candy_shop#1: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qh 4d Tc]
*** TURN *** [Qh 4d Tc] [Kc]
*** RIVER *** [Qh 4d Tc Kc] [Ah]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
issam_09: shows [6s Js] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
debit14: shows [As Qc] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
issam_09 collected 5992 from pot
debit14 finished the tournament in 11th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5992 | Rake 0
Board [Qh 4d Tc Kc Ah]
Seat 1: debit14 (button) showed [As Qc] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 2: bigfoot220 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: issam_09 (big blind) showed [6s Js] and won (5992) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 4: candy_shop#1 folded before Flop
Seat 7: eagle335 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: TreeBoss0526 folded before Flop (didn't bet)



three hands ago, that moron was at less than 3k chips but donked it out on two different people by shoving preflop with trash to hit up to 12,000, then lost roughly 3k calling an all-in

EDIT: yeah, I know it's only a .25 tournament, but still

[duddychuck@yahoo.com]

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I joined today Just waiting for Jae to approve or something

[ddrmaniacaaa]

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Ali Nejad isn't a bad announcer in my opinion; he makes things pretty interesting and doesn't seem to mind taking a shot at players when they make odd plays or are just acting silly.

As to the issue of High Stakes Poker being sponsored entirely by Pokerstars, that's a bit ridiculous -- FTP has an extremely large American userbase in comparison to Stars, who seems to gently be pushing themselves to overseas members (one recalls the removal of Greg Raymer of stars, as Stars continues to promote the success of a young and barely seen Viktor Blom). Either way, I'll agree that it's definitely a step in the wrong direction to allow based off of sponsorships.

Well, I guess anything is better than Norm McDonald. I got to a point where I was recording WSOP reruns, HSP +reruns and PAD which is on five days a week. HSP was my favorite, followed by WSOP, then PAD. I couldnt find time to watch all 3 shows, so I decided to drop PAD. Now, im thinking its gonna be WSOP and PAD only, so no harm no foul.

[Reach]

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So, what's up here? No more Tourneys?

Also, where did the NLHE table go? As much as 5 card draw is pretty fun, shouldn't we still have NLHE and PLO?


Since nothing is happening here, here's a cool hand from an earlier session of 0.25/0.5

Dealt AcJc UTG+1 with about $55 in my stack. UTG limps, I raise to $2. BB calls, limper calls ( I usually assume this play is some sort of small pair). Their stacks are about the same. BB is a shark that is pretty aggro, UTG is tight-passive.

Flop comes 7d5d5c. UTG check, I bet $3.75. BB raises to $11.75. UTG folds. I decide to call. Usually I won't float oop, but I'm almost positive this guy knows I missed, so I'm probably ahead. He has been doing this sort of play a lot on boards such as this, and he never has a 5 here. An A or J would certainly give me a hand I could call down with as well.

The turn comes 7d5d5cKs. I check. BB checks behind. At this point, I figure he is probably drawing. If he wanted to continue to tell a story, which I probably wouldn't believe here, I assume he would bet this turn card. The only hands he would opt to check behind here are a 7 and a draw, IMO, simply because a 7 probably doesn't want to bet, and a draw wants the free card.

The river comes 7d5d5cKsQs. This is a pretty good card for me, IMO. It doesn't complete any draws, and it's not an A, meaning it wouldn't be a card he would ever want to bet for value. As such, I expect him to check here.

So I check. However, he tanks for a bit and then moves all in, which is a slight over bet. Wasn't expecting this.

Into the tank I go. I know he never has a Q here. He also can't have a 7, because there's no reason to turn a 7 into a bluff. It has too much showdown value (Same reason he doesn't have a Q). He can't have a 5 either; he wouldn't raise me on that flop with a 5.

As I saw it, the only hands he can have are: 1. Kings that he air balled me with on the flop, but decided to play very, very strangely on the turn, or 7Q, which seems unlikely he would call pre-flop with.

2. Bluffs. He can have 68s here, or a nut flush, anything like that. He knows he can't win the pot if he checks, and he knows I probably don't have much, given I opted to check both the turn and the river, so if I have something like a A7 he figures I probably fold it here.

Therefore, as the logic goes, I'm actually supposed to call here. I do, and he turns over 89 of diamonds.

Was pretty happy with this call.

[Without A Contraceptive]

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good call...

in response to your question reach i was playing too high for the amount of money i have which is basically none. i had two bad nights pretty much back to back and it crushed me.

played a fun pot the other night $1/2 live i have about 180 behind villian has ~250. i open to $8 from the cutoff with 55. 6 handed, soft game so im opening with almost any two all night.

hu to the flop which is JdJc4d. after the flop is out i ask him if he wants to check it down and he says "nahhhhhhhh, i think we gotta play this one out" so instantly i think he has a flush draw. a jack says the same thing i guess but i was just so sure he had a flush draw. villian was in the bb and bets $15. i call

turn is the 4h. good card for my hand because this guy is never betting a 4 like that. ive played with him a few times but hes basically a loose passive guy that loves draws and top pair. he quickly bets $25 and i call

the river is the 7s which is another good card. i told myself that if no diamond hits the river im snap calling anything, if he got there he got there. river went check check he mucked

[Reach]

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good call...

in response to your question reach i was playing too high for the amount of money i have which is basically none. i had two bad nights pretty much back to back and it crushed me.

played a fun pot the other night $1/2 live i have about 180 behind villian has ~250. i open to $8 from the cutoff with 55. 6 handed, soft game so im opening with almost any two all night.

hu to the flop which is JdJc4d. after the flop is out i ask him if he wants to check it down and he says "nahhhhhhhh, i think we gotta play this one out" so instantly i think he has a flush draw. a jack says the same thing i guess but i was just so sure he had a flush draw. villian was in the bb and bets $15. i call

turn is the 4h. good card for my hand because this guy is never betting a 4 like that. ive played with him a few times but hes basically a loose passive guy that loves draws and top pair. he quickly bets $25 and i call

the river is the 7s which is another good card. i told myself that if no diamond hits the river im snap calling anything, if he got there he got there. river went check check he mucked

Would have been more fun to see him make a huge bet on the river and really test you Calling just depends on the player. Some players never bluff in a spot like there, whereas pretty-goodish players tend to bluff too often in that spot, so it's an easy call.

I usually never bother playing flush draws on a board like that, unless it's heads up or something. At least, I'll never bet it. If it gets checked to me I'll usually just check it back and take the card. No point in building a big pot on a board like that with just a draw.

[Without A Contraceptive]

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ya betting the river after a brick in spots like that was a bad leak in my game that ive been fixing.

played some big pots last night, cracked tens with KQspades for $350, my top and bottom pairs with second nut flush draw held up against a naked nut flush draw (5 card plo, 3 handed) for $515. got it all in with kings against 86s for $270 but we ran it twice and chopped.

[ddrmaniacaaa]

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Whats happening with the tournaments. It seems like no one has been showing up (1-3 players per tourney) and I havent seen any up recently.

Sorry to bump the thread.

[Reach]

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Well, I mentioned the lack of activity in my last long post, and nobody has replied. This thing looks pretty dead. Where is everyone? It's nice to play something casual after a day of money swings.

[emerald000]

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Well, I'd love for these tournaments to start again. The only problem is that most are the weekends, when I am usually busy.

In order the foster more activity, there should be a "major" tournament every two weeks or so with some kind of prize. It should be advertised at least a week before so we can free ourselves of other activities. This doesn't mean we shouldn't have other tournaments, but that gives us a chance to get at least one interesting.

Oh, and I am willing to give out credits to the cause.