FFR's Top One Handers

[Ponygonpwns]

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Yays, I FC'd Less Talk More Rokk with a score of 52-0-0-2. Random boos =

[Bluearrowll]

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2nd and below 100 average.

Irishknight didn't win by much

[Ponygonpwns]

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Nice job Bluearrow! HOLY **** ALMOST ALL SONGS FCD WITH 50 PERCENT FCS? I CALL HAX! jk you know i wuv you <3

[irishknight]

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At least I got first.

And what sucks more is that I BF'd and SDG'd FFR Evolution so many times.

[Redorigami]

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FFR Evolution is a serious bitch to do, takes too much consistency because of the weird slow BPM.

PS Good job irish, I remember getting Fig Leaf Rag AAA at someone else's house back forever ago and how it pissed me off so much, I don't even know if I ever got around to AAAing it on my account even since I switched.

[Ponygonpwns]

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EDIT: My desk is infested with mosquitoes. Damn /scratch

*is now itchy for no reason*
Also, how many songs do I have to FC to get 50% songs FC'd?

[Bluearrowll]

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Results of whoring my tournament song to no avail.


Card Token #2.

[Bynary Fission]

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Damn, I leave for a bit and you two push me in third place.

Added your tokens in and updated your token count. Man, you make me wanna create a really hard anti, rofl.


~Bynary Fission

EDIT: Complex images are so hard to clean up.

And, I notice you ripped those reqs from LunaMarionette and Nanairopanda v2.

[Dronak]

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I frown on all forms of mashing, one or two handed. . . . If you want to mash, I cant stop you, but I prefer you let your average rank truly reflect your skill.

I agree that mashing isn't the greatest thing to do, but in some cases for some people, it's the only way to get through a song. I try to avoid mashing most of the time, but harder songs often don't give me much choice. As the songs get faster and contain more arrows grouped more closely together, my ability to read them as separate arrows (or sets of arrow patterns) gets worse, not to mention my fingers lose their ability to keep up with the tempo. When that happens, especially if I can't read the arrows, mashing is my only hope of staying alive and passing the song. And my hand-eye coordination probably isn't getting better as I get older, so that's working against me, too, and sometimes leads to more mashing.

Generally when I'm playing songs, I'm trying to improve my scores along the lines of: fail to pass, pass to FC, FC to SDG, SDG to PC/AAA. Obviously to get to a PC, I can't mash. However, mashing can mean the difference between failing and passing. And I have to pass a song to see all the arrows in it before I have a chance at FCing it. The better the score I'm going for, the less mashing I can do. Sometimes it comes down to one or a few small sections that I have to mash through to FC the song. Through repeated plays, I try to cut down on the mashing. But I don't see mashing as something to avoid completely. It's not a great technique, but it has its uses. And if you can't stop mashing eventually, you'll never be able to get the best scores in the game. For anyone who wants to reach the top, that should be enough reason to stop mashing sooner or later. Me, I never expect to reach the very top, so I usually do what I need to in order to improve my scores.

For the most part, I rarely play the songs that require a lot of mashing for me though. They're not that fun for me. I find them to be too fast most of the time, with dense arrow patterns that seem to be that way just to be difficult, because many times I can't see/hear how the arrows match the music on the hardest songs. I'm not saying they're bad stepfiles or anything -- perhaps I'm just not good enough to truly appreciate them. But since I want to have fun, I tend to play middle-difficulty songs. I can play these fairly well, but still get a challenge. Somewhere around 7-8 is where I start getting challenged, but can do OK. At 9+, things tend to get much worse. I probably used to mash lower difficulty songs, but over time I improved enough to avoid that. I even got my first difficulty 6 PC the other day, something I probably never imagined when I might have had to mash parts of them.

So I guess the bottom line is that I do mash (one-handed, just like I play all the time) if I feel like I have to, but I try to avoid it, and over time I try to reduce how much I mash. But some songs still force me to do it, because I'm just not good enough to get through them without it. My scores are the best I've been able to get. OK, I mashed some of them, but that means they're still worse than people who didn't mash, so I don't think there's a real problem with that.

[Bynary Fission]

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I agree that mashing isn't the greatest thing to do, but in some cases for some people, it's the only way to get through a song. I try to avoid mashing most of the time, but harder songs often don't give me much choice. As the songs get faster and contain more arrows grouped more closely together, my ability to read them as separate arrows (or sets of arrow patterns) gets worse, not to mention my fingers lose their ability to keep up with the tempo. When that happens, especially if I can't read the arrows, mashing is my only hope of staying alive and passing the song. And my hand-eye coordination probably isn't getting better as I get older, so that's working against me, too, and sometimes leads to more mashing.

That is understandable. I even do something like it in a few ultra dense parts, albeit unintentionally. The reason that I avoid it at all costs is because it does not improve your reading skills. I've found that the only way I can improve is to play songs at my level, and gradually increase the difficulty of the song I play, which is what you stated below. You stated you can do well on songs at the Difficult to VD range, so it would be best for you to stick to those. For me, it is up to FMO.

Age may play a factor, but I know you can go further before you hit as limit, whether it is imposed by age, your playing style, or some other external factor.

Generally when I'm playing songs, I'm trying to improve my scores along the lines of: fail to pass, pass to FC, FC to SDG, SDG to PC/AAA. Obviously to get to a PC, I can't mash. However, mashing can mean the difference between failing and passing. And I have to pass a song to see all the arrows in it before I have a chance at FCing it. The better the score I'm going for, the less mashing I can do. Sometimes it comes down to one or a few small sections that I have to mash through to FC the song. Through repeated plays, I try to cut down on the mashing. But I don't see mashing as something to avoid completely. It's not a great technique, but it has its uses. And if you can't stop mashing eventually, you'll never be able to get the best scores in the game. For anyone who wants to reach the top, that should be enough reason to stop mashing sooner or later. Me, I never expect to reach the very top, so I usually do what I need to in order to improve my scores.

Of course. Mashing may have it's uses, but you gain nothing from it in the long run. In fact, I have been able to beat every one of my mashed scores on old songs without mashing. How long this takes varies with everybody, but if you cannot pass the song without mashing, then you are obviously not ready for it. It's best to play what you can and gain skill from that, instead of playing songs that are far beyond your skill level. In time, you will find that you can destroy all the songs that you once had to mash on.

For the most part, I rarely play the songs that require a lot of mashing for me though. They're not that fun for me. I find them to be too fast most of the time, with dense arrow patterns that seem to be that way just to be difficult, because many times I can't see/hear how the arrows match the music on the hardest songs. I'm not saying they're bad stepfiles or anything -- perhaps I'm just not good enough to truly appreciate them. But since I want to have fun, I tend to play middle-difficulty songs. I can play these fairly well, but still get a challenge. Somewhere around 7-8 is where I start getting challenged, but can do OK. At 9+, things tend to get much worse. I probably used to mash lower difficulty songs, but over time I improved enough to avoid that. I even got my first difficulty 6 PC the other day, something I probably never imagined when I might have had to mash parts of them.

Exactly! Once you master the basics, you can move on to the hard songs. Soon, anything below a 9 will be laughable in difficulty. If you find songs that you find too hard to enjoy playing, then don't play them. Find the difficulty that suits you best, and stick with that until you feel you are ready to move on.

I hate playing all the easy songs, but mastering those enabled me to move on to the songs I enjoy playing.

So I guess the bottom line is that I do mash (one-handed, just like I play all the time) if I feel like I have to, but I try to avoid it, and over time I try to reduce how much I mash. But some songs still force me to do it, because I'm just not good enough to get through them without it. My scores are the best I've been able to get. OK, I mashed some of them, but that means they're still worse than people who didn't mash, so I don't think there's a real problem with that.

The only issue I personally see is that it is a score you didn't earn. Sure, some people might be worse, but that doesn't justify it as being a fair and legit score.

If you need to mash, go ahead. I'm just stating I personally disagree with it.


~Bynary Fission

[Dronak]

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Exactly! Once you master the basics, you can move on to the hard songs. Soon, anything below a 9 will be laughable in difficulty. If you find songs that you find too hard to enjoy playing, then don't play them. Find the difficulty that suits you best, and stick with that until you feel you are ready to move on.

Right. Some songs definitely are too hard for me, and I know that, which is why I rarely play them. I always play every song (I have access to) at least once though, just so that I can get a score on it and not be in dead last on it. Most of the time, I'm staying somewhere around difficulty 6-8 -- a little easier if I want to warm up or just relax and not worry about improving my scores, a little harder if I feel like going for more of a challenge and seeing if I'm getting any better on the harder stuff. Songs at 10-12 are really out of my range though, and 9 is kind of debatable. I do play them once in a while to see if I can improve my scores, but don't succeed very often and don't worry *too* much if I don't. As I work on the songs around 7-8 and hopefully better there, I'll eventually start to improve on songs around 9. It's the same kind of thing that happened to me before on easier songs -- eventually I get good at them and can move up. I'm just taking a much longer time to improve and move up than some of the other players here.

[UserNameGoesHere]

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I'd say every song is passable without mash simply because I believe I've done this. Some I can't pass every time I play them though.

Really though, the only time mash should come into play, I think is for level 11 and 12 and 13 songs. (Isn't there one level 13 song?) And maybe maybe for the occasional level 10 that probably should have been rated an 11.

But really though, those aren't that fun to play. I'd stick mostly with the ones level 10 and under, which actually are fun to play and don't require mash.

Seriously though, The Adventures of Lolo song and chart is fun? I don't think so. There is no way to do well on that without mash, for example. It's also not fun so why play it often? That's my point.

Maybe there can be some challenge lists of specific scores to beat on specific songs (10 and under only) and the goal is to beat those scores on those songs without mash?

It could be a good idea or a good additional challenge for one-handers to satisfy.

I don't think 11s or higher should be included in it though if for no other reason than the temptation to mash is too high there and they're not really fun anyway.

[Redorigami]

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There are a few 11s that aren't hard one handed. Silence, Southern Cross, Epidermis, Choprite, Club, AIM, Divine Suicide, Novo, GoSW, Lawn Wake 1 and 4, Setsujou...etc. The lower half of the FMOs on FFR aren't that bad, so they shouldn't be mashed even in the slightest.

[UserNameGoesHere]

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Silence should be mashed if, for no other reason, than to try for the skill token of 1100+ boos and still passing.

Unless you don't try for the skill tokens.

[Bluearrowll]

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You forgot Midnight Dragon, Redorigami.