Ingame Song Information

[stavie33]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

Double post time

speaking of "consistency" Southern Cross has many, many slow and easy 12th note parts in the song, with huge difficulty changes (from low tricky to low FMO), while pretty much all of pianocore minus the very beginning is high C to low FMO, much closer.

[stavie33]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

uhm.

EHHS was one of my first FMO AAA's, it's not fast (pianocore is on average, much faster at most parts), and the jumpstream is simple and easy to read, the jump stream in Setsujou is much harder on your hands, and the jumpstream parts in Through the Stream of Time are harder to read, EHHS is easy, but most aren't accustomed to jumpstream, so they have problems with it. Pianocore is just tricky, that's all I'm saying. No, overall it's not a "tough" file, but it's a very technical and tricky file, like Djdj PVC, so it's like saying if Pianocore is VC, then Djdj PVC is C, because comparatively to the border of difficulties, the only reason they're where they are is because they're tricky, if you are counting for FC, DJDJ is easier to FC than some VD songs (no joke), but because it's a technical file and to AAA requires PA on some fast and tricky bursts, it's high VC, in pianocore's situation, PA on fast tricky jack/jump patterns, and trills. That's all, but yes, it's FMO. And if I have to change it, I'm getting pro opinions and having every FMO below 80 difficulty be turned to VC, because it's only fair.

Look, I'm not trying to be mean, at all. I hate mean people on the web who bash peoples opinions, I'm really sorry if I'm coming off that way, I don't mean it, I just have a huge pet peve which is when someone tells me a song I find somewhat difficult is very easy, and then I check their score and it's nowhere near as good as mine, I get mad.

It's like saying "this mario game is sooo easy, I made it to world 2-1, though I can't beat it now, but the game seems easy to beat." and you are at World 6-2 and can't beat it, you would think he's stupid for calling the game easy when he can't even make it past 2-1, that's kinda how I feel. You're saying a song that you can't even get under 5 goods on is easy, and I've been struggling for the AAA (I currently have 1-0-0-1) for months, it really upsets me.

rant over

[freakOmani]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

i never said it was an easy song, i just stated that i didn't think it should be FMO level. Even if it is a tricky AAA, that shouldn't be a huge factor in deciding a song's difficulty level. The reasons why pianocore had worse stats than southern cross on the day of their release can vary, from the fact that pianocore is a token song and depending on what players play on what day.

Also, I already told you that the only thing preventing me from getting the AAA is a poor keyboard. I am not an unskilled player looking at things unobjectively.

[freakOmani]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

yeah, For FFR is a good example of a song that's hard to AAA yet isn't quite FMO. I'm not sure how you can even say that EHHS and FFLBF are potentially VC, because I'm pretty sure that's not objective at all.

[stavie33]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

also you seem just a tad biased towards jumpstream files

Very much so,

And @ freakOmani, I understand, I didn't read the previous thing about your keyboard, that sucks man, I had a bad keyboard for a while and could barely FC some FGO's...it sucked. And I never said you're unskilled, sorry if I implied that...pianocore is low FMO, not mid or high, but I don't think it should be VC, if you go back to the page during it's release day and read the discussion, there was a rather large debate about this, but most of the pro's (EAGames, TC_Hal, Neko, etc.) agreed on low FMO, but we made it 77 instead of 76 because it's harder than songs like Choprite and NWE (Seriously, both should be VC, but I'm not gonna fight with every non Oni player on the site)

I'm surprised at the lack of complaints over Dimensions of a Square being C

[stavie33]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

yeah, For FFR is a good example of a song that's hard to AAA yet isn't quite FMO. I'm not sure how you can even say that EHHS and FFLBF are potentially VC, because I'm pretty sure that's not objective at all.

It was a joke


And I still think For FFR should be FMO, but what/ev. In comparison, it's not as tricky as pianocore either, it's just tougher. For FFR is VC because there is only one hard part in the song, though it's extremely difficult, making it the 2nd hardest VC (next to Kanon-kanon). Pianocore has at least 6 difficult parts in the song that are FMO worthy. Now, songs like Bus Rides with People, Keep in Mind, and Twelve all have FMO worthy parts as well, but there are much less (2, 3, 1 respectively) than in songs like Pianocore and Choprite (6, 9 respectively) which are why those two, though easy FMO's, are still FMO's. That's all.

[jimerax]

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well, the only current FMO song that has enough consensus of being VC (and I actually think) is NWE I guess.

not pretty sure about some of newer ones though.

[mhss1992]

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Alright, 2 things:

1. Djdj PVC, 74 or 75? Took a while to AAA, cause' it's very tricky, but it's not long and isn't very demanding on the hands (like say, Bus Rides with People and Kil Stage) So it's up to you guys

2. Dimensions of a Square is NOT challenging, that song is way too fast and confusing for a challenging file, 24th gallops are really fast and the jumps and 16ths littered throughout don't make things easier, it's also quite demanding on the hands (for the AAA, unless I'm just out of it), I'd give it a 69

Opinions?

Didj PVC: 75. X-tinction is 74. PLANETZ is 74. Didj PVC is NOT 74.

Dimensions of a square: Really? Wow, I thought it was mid C, something like 63 or 64. The 24th gallops, in the later parts, can nearly be hit as 16ths, it's not too tricky.

I also have a complaint: I don't know if it's just me, but jack songs have been seriously underestimated lately.

[stavie33]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

Didj PVC: 75. X-tinction is 74. PLANETZ is 74. Didj PVC is NOT 74.

Dimensions of a square: Really? Wow, I thought it was mid C, something like 63 or 64. The 24th gallops, in the later parts, can nearly be hit as 16ths, it's not too tricky.

I also have a complaint: I don't know if it's just me, but jack songs have been seriously underestimated lately.

weren't X-tinction and Planetz already 74's? And I don't have enough opinions for Djdj PVC, I'm just comparing it to Kil Stage, Bus Rides with People, and Twelve, all of which are harder

[who_cares973]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

You're all dumb

[stavie33]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

You're all dumb

QFT (I know I am)

[who_cares973]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

Pianocore is harder than choprite but easier than epidermis imo

[stavie33]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

Pianocore is harder than choprite but easier than epidermis imo

most definitely. That's why it's a 77, right between the two, and some other songs

[mhss1992]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

weren't X-tinction and Planetz already 74's? And I don't have enough opinions for Djdj PVC, I'm just comparing it to Kil Stage, Bus Rides with People, and Twelve, all of which are harder

Yes, they were 74 before. I was comparing Djdj to other 74s, that's why I mentioned them. They're easier than it.
And no, it isn't easier than Kil Stage, at least in my opinion. I booflagged Kil Stage, my score in Djdj is worse than my score in many FMOs. But maybe I'm just weak at it.

[Patashu]

Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

wait epidermis is meant to be hard?