6th Official FFR Tournament - Is over, Congrats to all our winners!

[TC_Halogen]

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The D4 song it's self was very on the border to us anyway. It kinda went like this

AJ: This song looks like a 9
Me: I dunno I think it might be a 10.
AJ: Some stuff about stuff that he usually explains lol
Me: But these jack things seem pretty tough and those little 32nd things.
AJ: The bpm blah blah blah etc etc
Me: Hmm looking at it some more I think it probably is a 9, it's comparable to things like "rambles off various 9s"

oh you :3

Ambient Angels

Me: this looks like an 11.
Kayla: jumpstream is too short
Me: it's really dense...
Kayla: pattern flows really well
Me: the jumpstream is 167 BPM
Kayla: it's only 20 seconds
Me: It's still an 11.
Kayla: nope.

(and we won't ever get each other to agree )

EDIT: also, the whole reason why I'm opposed to a 7th division: sticking players in a 7th division just makes those who fall into a border in that much worse of a predicament by either being a winner of D6, or absolutely obliterated in D7, because at that point, there's really no hope for anyone at that border area. Do they deserve to do incredibly poorly in the tournament when they've tuned their skills to be a huge contender in a normal, 6 division tournament? - extra divisions doesn't solve anything. flights make divisions too small, and small divisions make competition not worth while. there's -never- going to be a win-win situation.

[benguino]

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[SS of blackflag]

~underdogmanias~

[Ryusei_]

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The fact of it is you can be a bottom player and come out on top.

This is such a dangerous mindset to be in while placing people. Just because it has happened in a few cases does not mean it should be a factor when placing people by any stretch of the imagination.

Because 9 times out of 10, it does NOT happen.

[psychoangel691]

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if you think i'm just a post whore i'll stop then :C

jeez....

I don't think you're a postwhore. I think somebody is just in a bad mood

I understand that it is not possible to have everyone placed perfectly, that's just an illogical thing to expect from any tournament. However, I don't understand why breaking "traditions" is such a big deal. Tournaments are supposed to improve year by year, this is exactly why you revised the tournaments every year and added more divisions to make placements more fair. I know this is a big thing to ask and I'm not asking you to do it now. This is just a suggestion for the NEXT tournament that's going to hopefully happen next year. If we had 7 divisions, then all other true "D6'ers" like me, Stavie, Remedy, PlanB, Socon, Krunky, Hakulyte, etc.. would actually have a chance of winning in their division.

This was discussed at the beg of this tourney and I had thought about it but the problem is there just isn't enough people that fit into that D7 just yet. What fun is a tournament where a division has all of like maybe 7 people in it and the thing lasts 2 months. The best advice I give to those who may be a bit out of their league is to use this to push themselves to get better.

[TC_Halogen]

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This is such a dangerous mindset to be in while placing people. Just because it has happened in a few cases does not mean it should be a factor when placing people by any stretch of the imagination.

Because 9 times out of 10, it does NOT happen.

no it's not, because if you're an underdog in a higher division, then chances are you're a dominator in the division below that, and it's considerably more unfair to automatically give a person a huge advantage in a division rather than making them work in the division they should be in (see: Razor in D5 with a FGO AAA who moved up to D6). if a person is so poorly misplaced that they can't do well in the division below them, then they proceed to come to us, we re-evaluate them, and fix if necessary (like in your case).

[psychoangel691]

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This is such a dangerous mindset to be in while placing people. Just because it has happened in a few cases does not mean it should be a factor when placing people by any stretch of the imagination.

Because 9 times out of 10, it does NOT happen.

Because that's totally what I based my decisions off of. Do you even bother to read the whole explanations, or just the little tid bits of things?

It seems to me most people here are pretty agreeable that with 6 divisions the placements can't get too much better than they are right now. We would need probably at the very least 10 divisions to even start coming close to covering everyone. Actually, that's what we use in the Custom tourney's we've been doing and even that's not enough. So when it comes to an official factor in that there's 600 signing up rather than the 100 I normally get we'd probably need at least 30 divisions.
Also, with most tournaments in other games there aren't different divisions at all. I believe when I asked AJ if they did divisions in ITG tournaments he said no and I was sad because obviously someone like me who can barely pass an 8 can't compete with mad matt. So at least here there is some chance.

[Ryusei_]

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no it's not, because if you're an underdog in a higher division, then chances are you're a dominator in the division below that,

You guys throw this logic around like there AREN'T dominators in each division anyways. Removing Razor from D5 didn't change the other 5 people that are clearly going to sweep up that division.

[TC_Halogen]

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it's not POSSIBLE to have people fit perfectly when each division is upwards of 50 people. There will -always- be people who are really strong and aren't suitable for the division above them, and there will always be people who are too strong for a particular division and have to do the one below them

i'm sorry, but I can't take sob stories about divisions when I was put into the situation that I was in during the 4th official and I fought until every ounce of me had given up on Hardkore Atomic, at round 7. I barely had any FMOs, no FGOs, was easily an underdog, and at the time, could have probably fit in D4 without many complaints. I moved on, and fought regardless of where I was.

more people need to do the same. It's not a question of whether or not you're an underdog/dominator of your division - you were placed where you are and you're more than likely stuck with it. push and you can improve at the game and be rewarded, or sit there and take the fall, and miss out on the intense competition that ensues.

I wouldn't miss any part of the official if I have the chance, which is probably why when the later rounds come in, I'm going to be playing songs 500+ times just to try and clear that hurdle for each round.

[psychoangel691]

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oh you :3

Ambient Angels

Me: this looks like an 11.
Kayla: jumpstream is too short
Me: it's really dense...
Kayla: pattern flows really well
Me: the jumpstream is 167 BPM
Kayla: it's only 20 seconds
Me: It's still an 11.
Kayla: nope.

(and we won't ever get each other to agree )

You forgot the part of my argument where I say that a good chunk of the chart is a 9, then a 10 then it has that dense blip. :3

But hey they decide to make it an 11 then that will be my 1st.

[Ryusei_]

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i'm sorry, but I can't take sob stories about divisions when I was put into the situation that I was in during the 4th official and I fought until every ounce of me had given up on Hardkore Atomic, at round 7. I barely had any FMOs, no FGOs, was easily an underdog, and at the time, could have probably fit in D4 without many complaints. I moved on, and fought regardless of where I was.

more people need to do the same.

This is very literally a "Well it was done to me unfairly so I can do it to everyone else, too!" argument. Clearly what we need is the perpetuation of imbalance rather than trying to fix it. /impressed

[wildfireskunk]

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You guys throw this logic around like there AREN'T dominators in each division anyways. Removing Razor from D5 didn't change the other 5 people that are clearly going to sweep up that division.

Why don't you go through the entrants and see if you can place them into 6 groups, where not one single group (apart from D6) has anyone who stands out more than the others any significant amount. If you can do that, then I'm sure your ideas will be used. At the moment you're criticising without offering any alternative way of fixing it that would actually work to the degree you seem to think is possible.

[xXAll-ProXx]

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This is such a dangerous mindset to be in while placing people. Just because it has happened in a few cases does not mean it should be a factor when placing people by any stretch of the imagination.

Because 9 times out of 10, it does NOT happen.

You need to understand that NO ONE possess the same amount of skill as someone else. Even 10 divisions wouldn't be enough to fit everyone perfectly in the right division.

[bmah]

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If it's of any consolation Ryusei, I've heard that official tourneys will now resume as an annual event, so I'm sure there will be more of these in the future.

Also, just work your butt off, regardless of how illogical it seems. You might be pleasantly surprised and find yourself being more productive trying than complaining. [That's not to say though that we don't hear your concerns.]

[psychoangel691]

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There's 3 solutions

1 - no more official tourneys
2 - 1 division only like most games are anyway.
3- add 3948304 divisions so everyone can play against someone of their skill but eliminate all prizes because it's too much to pay out for one tourney. So just bragging rights here.

Altho even the 3rd option wont work because people are better at different things. Even if they're basically the same skill level one jack song could kill of one competitor and trills another.

[TC_Halogen]

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I never said it was done unfairly, I said I wasn't expecting it and probably could have fit the division below it. There's no unfairly placed people here. None of the previous official tournaments have accounted for drops in skill, and with a tournament of this size with these kinds of prizes, it never should. I'm not going to let someone who says they have a skill drop come to me and convince me to drop, because regardless of who you are, your stats reflect the potential that you have or once had. Anyone can get back to that skill if they really want it.

I'm -really- failing to see the point of this argument.