Super Smash Brothers Brawl

[Matthew4444]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

I guess Squeek was right on the money.

It was Squeek who posted saying that the Dojo would basically become what the Dojo just announced it was becoming, right? I don't think it was someone else who said it.

Well it's late, I stayed up for the update, and now I must sleep.

[Jammer325]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

"From here on out, the Dojo will begin to introduce the hidden characters, hidden stages, and additional features in Brawl that have gone unmentioned until now."

So... Am I missing something or have they not mentioned several characters yet?

[Squeek]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

The Brawl site never announced the hidden characters. Those were leaks from people who had advance copies of the game in Japan.

According to the main site, Capt. Falcon, Ness, Jigglypuff, etc. don't exist in the game.

[Buttoxin]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

Because of this announcement, I won't be going back to the site until after I get and get close to beating Brawl. Also, I won't be coming back to this thread cause you guys really like giving things away that aren't even on the website yet. Be happy, I know you all are.

[RoastedNoob]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

Haha, yeah, characters was the last thing I thought I'd see here. I was up all night during the "leak-a-thon" looking at everything, though.

Anyway, who ever is wanting to play me later, send me a PM to know to add you to my Brawl list. It's sad for no more speculation, and even sadder we have to wait a freaking month. It'll all be worth the wait, though.

All Ready Mentioned Here Spoilers Below This Point
I love the roster, though not what I had hoped/expected. There isn't a single character I don't like. Mainly just interested. T. Link looks soo fun to play, though. He's like a Fox Link. I'm sort of sad to see they are technically clones, though. I guess there's not really too much you can do differently with them.

[l2awr]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

http://www.sirlin.net/archive/playing-to-win-part-1/

lol @ the scrubs in this article.

[Squeek]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

Oh I get it now.

The point is to pwn n00bs!!111 m i rite lol

My whole beef with the "playing to win regardless of what it takes" stance is when you choose to utilize this technique. When you're playing a random match against people you don't even know, what the hell is the point of utilizing glitches and **** to win? Why not just play? You can save the glitch-fest for fighting against friends or competing in tournaments or whatever it is you all do.

It's the same with Snaking. You can do it. I can do it. I don't do it. Why don't I do it? Because if I Snake against my friends, I'm going to win. You know how boring it is to win 100/100 matches in a row? It's so boring that the game never gets played ever again. What good is a game if you can't play it with friends? Sure you could argue that they should learn how to snake, but really, why? Why continue to learn new glitches and ignore the core gameplay elements? The game is just as fun if you refuse to acknowledge that glitches exist to be exploited.

This article doesn't address the difference between people who play games and people who play games competitively. It seems to just assume that everybody plays games to pwn n00bs!!11

[-Fallen-]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

Oh I get it now.

The point is to pwn n00bs!!111 m i rite lol

My whole beef with the "playing to win regardless of what it takes" stance is when you choose to utilize this technique. When you're playing a random match against people you don't even know, what the hell is the point of utilizing glitches and **** to win? Why not just play? You can save the glitch-fest for fighting against threads or competing in tournaments or whatever it is you all do.

It's the same with Snaking. You can do it. I can do it. I don't do it. Why don't I do it? Because if I Snake against my friends, I'm going to win. You know how boring it is to win 100/100 matches in a row? It's so boring that the game never gets played ever again. What good is a game if you can't play it with friends? Sure you could argue that they should learn how to snake, but really, why? Why continue to learn new glitches and ignore the core gameplay elements? The game is just as fun if you refuse to acknowledge that glitches exist to be exploited.

This article doesn't address the difference between people who play games and people who play games competitively. It seems to just assume that everybody plays games to pwn n00bs!!11

This man knows what he is talking about. This is what a real gamer's philosophy is. It's a good thing people just love to openly admit they suck and have to cheat to win when these games are made for pure entertainment purposes and not competition. Competition is a side dish, playing the game and enjoying it with your buddies it the main course, stop crying about other people not wanting to stoop to your level and using glitches.

[tsugomaru]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

It's like racing. Say you are racing against your friend around a track, you decide to play fairly and run around the entire way, but your friend decides to cut corners big time and wins all the time because he has to travel 5x less distance than you. Where's the fun in that?

~Tsugomaru

[Squeek]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

To clarify, you're talking about a running race, and "cutting corners" means taking a 90 degree turn before the U-turn in the track and running straight across the football field in the middle at about the endzone line.

Right?

I did that in P.E. because I hated my teacher =)

She actually kept tallies of how many laps everyone took and graded us on it. The entire class was a lesson in how to cheat at P.E. Some people just waited until a mob of people came by with their cards after a lap, stuck their card in, moved a little, and stuck their card in again. Some people bought the brand of markers she used and marked them during indoor stair laps since those are covered by the bleachers when going up.

[tsugomaru]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

Exactly like that. Our class had this mile competition where we had to run "a marathon", except we would run a mile each weak and the top 5 with the fastest average would get a prize. The prize wasn't some cheap pencil either, it was something worth winning. There were people who cut corners, ran 3 laps instead of 4, or just lied about their times and they were the ones who won the prizes.

~Tsugomaru

[l2awr]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

Oh I get it now.

The point is to pwn n00bs!!111 m i rite lol

My whole beef with the "playing to win regardless of what it takes" stance is when you choose to utilize this technique. When you're playing a random match against people you don't even know, what the hell is the point of utilizing glitches and **** to win? Why not just play? You can save the glitch-fest for fighting against friends or competing in tournaments or whatever it is you all do.

It's the same with Snaking. You can do it. I can do it. I don't do it. Why don't I do it? Because if I Snake against my friends, I'm going to win. You know how boring it is to win 100/100 matches in a row? It's so boring that the game never gets played ever again. What good is a game if you can't play it with friends? Sure you could argue that they should learn how to snake, but really, why? Why continue to learn new glitches and ignore the core gameplay elements? The game is just as fun if you refuse to acknowledge that glitches exist to be exploited.

This article doesn't address the difference between people who play games and people who play games competitively. It seems to just assume that everybody plays games to pwn n00bs!!11

Use a different example. I don't know competitive mario kart. If you read the article then it should be pretty simple to comprehend. I guess you are in that "mindset" he was talking about.

As to what you said about why do it against "noobs". Why not just stand there and let the noobs hit you, if winning too much is boring. Also if your competitive the only reason you would play noobs is for a confidence boost. Competitive people play to improve. They play to be the best they can.

I play smash with my "noob" friends all the time. I would rape them with peach 2v1 and I thought damn my peach is pretty good! After last summer I went to my school and played with my good smash friends and used peach. I played my friend Mike who is the #3 in the state at melee skillwise. Peach vs Marth. He got me to 1 stalk without me being able to take 1% away =[[. Its not just because I didnt use "advance techniques" its because I didn't know how to counter the stuff he did. Whether it be the advance techniques or not. You guys act like wavedashing or anything else makes the game unfair when it doesn't. It just adds more DEPTH to the game. What is wrong with that?

Exactly like that. Our class had this mile competition where we had to run "a marathon", except we would run a mile each weak and the top 5 with the fastest average would get a prize. The prize wasn't some cheap pencil either, it was something worth winning. There were people who cut corners, ran 3 laps instead of 4, or just lied about their times and they were the ones who won the prizes.

~Tsugomaru

That my friend is called CHEATING. Not using advance techniques. A better runner would start off good, run consistent for the rest of his laps and break out on his last lap. Using TECHNIQUES like when you start you know how your leaning on one leg? Most people pick that same leg up again to push themselves off the line. Well they should be stepping with their next leg. Thats just 1 racing technique to using your energy efficiently. Or when running you should be bringing your leg up across your knee to get the most distance with less amount of energy. Those are techniques even though they may sound like common sense or dumb lol. What you said was CHEATING.

[Shamo0]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

There's nothing wrong with it. People just like to complain when they lose because they aren't dedicated enough to take the time to learn what good people learned. All of those people who complain and lose are in for a rude surprise when they play brawl online- Brawl online is going to have freeeking fierce competition.

I can't wait ^.^;;

[l2awr]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

There's nothing wrong with it. People just like to complain when they lose because they aren't dedicated enough to take the time to learn what good people learned. All of those people who complain and lose are in for a rude surprise when they play brawl online- Brawl online is going to have freeeking fierce competition.

I can't wait ^.^;;

That makes 2 of us man. I can finally practice while at home. I don't have to drive 20 minutes to my school for competition =]

[Squeek]

Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

I already said what was wrong with that.

I read your article. You didn't read my post.

Don't do it against random people. Save it for friends and competition. The reason nobody plays Mario Kart online anymore is because people abused the snaking glitch. That's why when it was "confirmed" to be in Mario Kart Wii, a bunch of gamers were furious and refused to buy the game, knowing what it would mean if snaking were allowed in the game.

I don't care if you do it. Just choose when to do it. That's what my post said.

You don't know if people online are playing to have fun (about 99% of the people who play games) or are playing to compete (the rest).