What's with the hostility towards Christians?

[Tokzic]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

"Can I trust my sensory inputs to tell me that this is in fact true?"

By that reasoning, you don't know you exist

"I think, therefore I am."

This isn't complicated. The mere fact that I can ask myself whether or not I exist must mean I do exist. Likewise, if I were to not exist, there would be nowhere for these sensory inputs (whether they are true or false) to go into.

I do not know the nature of the things, but I do know that there is some manner of box to contain them.

Until you come to the end which is an all mighty creator (God) that is infinite and has all power. Do you see what I am saying?

I see what you're attempting to say, but your point is flawed.

Let's say there is a long string of dominoes that are going around a corner. They are standing one moment, but the next, they are all toppling and now they are fallen. You are making the equivalent claim, "Someone must have knocked down the first domino, there is no other explanation." However, I am around the corner where they begin, and I observed that a gust of wind started the chain.

A painting is something which MUST have some sort of intelligent creator. We can infer this from the deliberate nature that we observe in the final product.

The universe is not a painting. There is nothing we can consider evidence that infallibly suggests someone did it. A god is just a simple conclusion that is arrived to by people who cannot accept there is anything permanently beyond their comprehension.

[Flaming_Dingleberry]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

God was never created, he was always there... or something.

[fullmetal_alchemist027]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

It has everything to do with atheism. Atheist dont believe there is a god of some sort. They believe nothing created them. They have no boss. Just themselves. So basically its like if someone doesnt believe in trucks and there on a crossing a road and a truck is coming, there gonna get hit by the truck if they stay on the road even if they dont believe in trucks. The truth is the truth no matter what you believe the truth is. Same as if you dont believe in God, but judgement day will come, then what are you gonna do? Your not gonna get a free pass to heaven but you will end up goig to hell and that is not what I want to happen to everyone.

So your saying Im going to hell because I dont believe in the Christian God? Awesome.

[Tokzic]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

It has everything to do with atheism. Atheist dont believe there is a god of some sort. They believe nothing created them. They have no boss. Just themselves. So basically its like if someone doesnt believe in trucks and there on a crossing a road and a truck is coming, there gonna get hit by the truck if they stay on the road even if they dont believe in trucks. The truth is the truth no matter what you believe the truth is. Same as if you dont believe in God, but judgement day will come, then what are you gonna do? Your not gonna get a free pass to heaven but you will end up goig to hell and that is not what I want to happen to everyone.

And yet again, your metaphor is flawed.

You're saying that a truck is coming, when really, if we saw a truck coming, we'd move.

What's closer to reality is that I'm standing in the middle of an empty road, and you're telling me a truck is coming. I respond that I see no truck. You tell me it's invisible. I respond that I hear no truck. You tell me it's a silent truck. Do you really expect me to believe a truck is coming? Even you don't know that a truck is coming, you have nothing to go on but your gut, and gut feelings have no greater instance of success than dumb luck.

Also, don't worry, it won't happen to anyone. Heaven and hell are a fictional scare tactic to obtain more members. Your undetectable truck isn't coming.

[Megamanmaniac]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

The truth hurts those who hate the truth. That is why some people do not believe in God becuase they will not submit that they have sinned against Him and they will not repent and go the right way. That is all I have to say right now. I cant think of what to say back to all of this becuase like I said I am not that strong in my Christian faith yet but it will build and I will come up with an answer. If I had my pastor with me or my Dad then they would be able to answer becuase they are VERY strong Christians. My pastor has been arrested more then 3 times for witnessing and handing out tracks on the "public sidewalk" and has been helping our church go out into the public to witness to people. I plan on being able to join and witness along with him.

[StringsnKeys]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

"I think, therefore, I am" You are, because I think you are? Here we go with sensory input again.....I know the argument.....I think you are, because I can see you, I hear you, touch you, smell you, taste you (taste you?). You think you are, because you think. You think you think. Well as long as we're all here trying to prove everything to each other, prove to anyone here that you think. Funny cuz to do that, even to yourself, you're relying on sensory input...which may or may not accurately portray the world around you. You can only prove what you know, and even then you can only show a truth by basing it off of other truths. This assumes you have all truths. Since you can only know what you know, aka, you can't know something you don't know, you don't know everything. Even if you did, there is no way you could know you knew everything. If you don't know everything, you don't have all truths. But a truth is really only a truth if you have all other truths, otherwise, you might have missed something that makes whatever it is you're trying to prove, false. Since, none of us have all truths, you really can't "prove", anything. What you're doing, is trying to reason with something on a balance of probabilities. That is the best you can do. So let's just change Rene Descartes's saying to, "I think, therefore I am, I think"

[StringsnKeys]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

None of you can "prove" that there is no God. None of you can "prove" that there is. Yet strangely, there will be hundreds more posts from those of you who think you can "prove" yourself to one another.

[Squeek]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

The truth hurts those who hate the truth. That is why some people do not believe in God becuase they will not submit that they have sinned against Him and they will not repent and go the right way. That is all I have to say right now. I cant think of what to say back to all of this becuase like I said I am not that strong in my Christian faith yet but it will build and I will come up with an answer. If I had my pastor with me or my Dad then they would be able to answer becuase they are VERY strong Christians. My pastor has been arrested more then 3 times for witnessing and handing out tracks on the "public sidewalk" and has been helping our church go out into the public to witness to people. I plan on being able to join and witness along with him.

Uh, no.

Your 'truth' doesn't make sense to us, because we rely on logic and reason to explain things that happen.

We don't believe in God because it doesn't make sense to us. There's a logical explanation for everything in the world. We don't have to be like the Greeks who made a God for everything they didn't understand: Love, Lightning, Death, etc.

What is a "sin" to you is nothing to us. Unless we break the laws of our country or our world, we've done nothing wrong. You're the ones telling us we're doing something wrong because you claim your God said it was wrong. You realize eating pork goes against another person's God? Why do you disobey their God? Is it because you don't believe in their God? Then why won't you let me not believe in yours?

Also, your Pastor is sinning. He's breaking the law of the land, which supercedes the rules of religion. He really needs to pray on that.

[Izzy]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

It's so painful to read megamanmaniac's posts. Makes me want to kill myself at the thought that people are that blind. Thought this was the 21st century.

[Megamanmaniac]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

Also, your Pastor is sinning. He's breaking the law of the land, which supercedes the rules of religion. He really needs to pray on that.

He has the freedom of speech according to the 1st Ammendment which our church excersizes that freedom as much as we can. That right is being taken away from of us and we will not stand for that. My pastor was doing the right thing and now he can witness anywhere without being arrested as long as it is public area. He doesnt go into the Abortion Clinic inside the building and witness there but he witnesses where he is allowed to witness and it was not right that he was arrested for that.

[StringsnKeys]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

he wasn't necessarily arrested for speaking his mind. He may have been being abusive, physical, or violent. He may have been giving the police officers a hard time. He may have been drunk. Maybe there was a warrant out for prior incidents. Maybe he was touching little boys. I know you're going to say, "he wouldn't do that" cuz he's a christian and all, but to be fair, he wouldn't have told you if he had.

[Megamanmaniac]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

he wasn't necessarily arrested for speaking his mind. He may have been being abusive, physical, or violent. He may have been giving the police officers a hard time. He may have been drunk. Maybe there was a warrant out for prior incidents. Maybe he was touching little boys. I know you're going to say, "he wouldn't do that" cuz he's a christian and all, but to be fair, he wouldn't have told you if he had.

He didnt do all those things becuase our whole church was there when he got arrested every time. We support our pastor and he hasnt done anything wrong. We have taped all he times he was arrested and stuff. He wouldnt and didnt do anything to harm anyone or whatever you think it might have done. You dont know my pastor. He is known world wide from being on CNN and other news broadcasts.

We even have proof of a police officer being aggresive with our pastor and not the other way around. We video taped a officer hitting our pastor in the face.

[Andrew Mitchell]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

people are hostile to christians because they got indoctrined by thier atheist teachers and atheist textbooks

[NFD]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

He has the freedom of speech according to the 1st Ammendment which our church excersizes that freedom as much as we can.

According to you, your pastor over-exercised it.

[qqwref]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

The truth is the truth no matter what you believe the truth is.

Exactly.

It's so painful to read megamanmaniac's posts. Makes me want to kill myself at the thought that people are that blind. Thought this was the 21st century.

Hm, yes. I think it's interesting how when he sees a problem he can't solve he decides he will answer it when he is a stronger Christian (read: more brainwashed), rather than realizing now that there are inconsistencies in his faith.


Incidentally, a question about Jesus, because I'm curious about this. How do you know (i.e. why do you believe) he is the son of God and not just some random person who claimed he was getting orders from God? I mean, you know he's in the Bible and all that, but remember that the New Testament was written decades after Jesus's death - if you were living in the time Jesus was alive you would not have that to go by. Do you believe he's the son of God without any justification, or is he somehow different from the other prophets of that time period?