Jesus the product of Rape?? - Page 4

BluE_MeaniE · 01-22-2004, 06:58 PM

Yes, each language has its own subtleties and nuances. When you translate from one language to another, it is very difficult to mean the exact same thing.

Anticrombie0909 · 01-22-2004, 09:08 PM

I think all religion is crap anyway, so this doesn't affect me very much since I don't believe in Jesus.

Sometime, watch 'Monty Python and the Life of Brian' and tell me what you thought of it, especially if you're the religious type.

Brainmaster07 · 01-22-2004, 11:46 PM

I just don't see how people can believe in something that they have never seen, has never been seen by anyone, has never left any evidence of being, and is in everyway impossible to exist. Not trying to bash it or anything, I just don't get how you can believe that...

And even if there's the whole 'He will come again to judge the living and the dead'... if he sends people to hell because they don't believe in him, he has pretty bad tastes

.

Omeganitros · 01-23-2004, 02:15 AM

"I think the best thing the Lord created was a sense of humor. Isnt it ironic that the most religious people tend to not have one?" -[Forgot who said it]

Anonymous · 01-23-2004, 03:28 AM

wow if jesus was the product of a rape

1. it makes a lot of sense to me
2. Finally people wont think im crazy when i say its ok to rape someone because Jesus is a bastard child; a product of rape.
3. rape nuns.
4. rape me ((Again!)) (nirvana)
5. (this isnt official, which means it wont hold up in court, but) I raped a girl before.

gays. homos. queers. < not people i identify with in the least.

i think jesus might have been a homosexual.

Howard Dean for 2004! fuck my bushy nuts and fuck bush he sucks!

The Next President Has to resurrect Kurt Cobain! amen to that! even tho im agnostic...

deathstar402 · 01-23-2004, 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wow if jesus was the product of a rape

1. it makes a lot of sense to me
2. Finally people wont think im crazy when i say its ok to rape someone because Jesus is a bastard child; a product of rape.
3. rape nuns.
4. rape me ((Again!)) (nirvana)
5. (this isnt official, which means it wont hold up in court, but) I raped a girl before.

gays. homos. queers. < not people i identify with in the least.

i think jesus might have been a homosexual.

Howard Dean for 2004! $*%# my bushy nuts and $*%# bush he sucks!

The Next President Has to resurrect Kurt Cobain! amen to that! even tho im agnostic...

i claim this guest post as mine.

Anonymous · 01-23-2004, 04:07 AM

Someone said that the torah was the christians old testiment? well.. you're wrong because it was writin in hebrew. Which is jewish. Jesus was jewish. Jews (me) just believe that jesus is not the mesiah. he could possibly be a messanger from got , but not the peoples savior. its quit possible that jesus could have survived the crusifiction. my dad whos christian said something about him only being on the cross for a day. and being in his tomb for 3. People are crusified every year in mexico i think. or somewhere in south american. they dont die :/. People can go without food for 3 days. the people who are crusified every year do not die. they do not recieve medical attention either. so why is it that jesus must have been the son of god even though he was crusified and put in a tomb for 3 days.

http://objective.jesussave.us/kidz.html

what does that website say for christianity?

some things that the site points out (most of them are racist) :

If you find an Atheist in your neighborhood,
TELL A PARENT OR PASTOR RIGHT AWAY!

You may be moved to try and witness to
these poor lost souls yourself, however
AVOID TALKING TO THEM!

Atheists are often very grumpy and bitter and will lash out at children or they may even try to trick you into neglecting God's Word.

Very advanced witnessing techniques are needed for these grouches. Let the adults handle them.

some facts the site says about the world.

Q:Hey retarded giraff.. werent dinosaurs extinct over a million years ago?
A:wrong my little buddy. dino's still walk on the earth , swim in the sea and the earth is less then 10 000 years old!

yea im sure jackass giraff.. go spread your bullshit somewhere else..

another is

Q:Hey retarded fucked up giraff.. are we the "monkey men" of the netherlands that evolutionists keep talking about?
A: why no they are deformed humans with advanced age and flood-cloud-related rickets.. whatever the fuck that means.

yea so my point is that its really quite possible that mary could have been impregnated by the guard and that jesus isnt the messiah. im also not ruling out the point that he is. i believe that it could be possible. but it may not. im not a strong believer in god because of what he put me through. If there is a god. i will find out when i die. and if he did create me and loves me, no matter what mistakes ive made he should forgive me for what i have done. and for the wrong things i do when im alive. why wouldnt he forgive me when im dead if he created me? thats my view on it :/... haha oh well this is getting long ill end it here.

**Jello** · 01-23-2004, 04:12 AM

ah fuck.. it logged me out and that last post is me... JELLO .. sorry about that for some reason when you dont do anything for a long time ffr logs you out

**87x** · 01-23-2004, 10:16 AM

well.. i see exactly what your saying jello.. and i can see how this wouldn't really affect you.. or your religion.. i have yet to find a follow up report on this.. which is makeing me second guess this whole thing.. but.. its just weird to think that this might have happened...

banditcom · 01-23-2004, 10:24 AM

Yea that dumb book I looked through has things about a dinosaur still being alive and all this other stuff... I couldn't stand looking through the book, the main reason was because the guy did random bolding, and sometimes they were underlined too.

**87x** · 01-23-2004, 11:18 AM

someone said something about the red sea being parted..

here..
"This is what the book of Exodus says about the parting of the Red Sea:
"And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided. And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon dry ground: the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left."
Two mathematicians--one from St. Petersburg, Russia and the other from Hamburg, Germany--have concluded that the Biblical story of Moses parting the rushing waters of the Red Sea so 600,000 Jews could escape slavery by the Egyptians was possible scientifically and in concurrence with the laws of physics, reports Russia's St. Petersburg Times.
Using a system of differential equations, Naum Volzinger, a senior researcher at St. Petersburg's Institute of Oceanology, and his Hamburg-based colleague Alexei Androsov established the conditions under which the waves might have parted. Here's the mathematics behind the miracle: There is a reef in the Red Sea exactly at the documented spot where the Jews escaped Egypt. In ancient times, the reef was unbroken and much closer to the surface of the sea than it is today. The Bible story cites the "strong east wind that blew all that night." So mathematically, the two scientists considered wind speed, the strength of the storm that would leave the reef high and dry at low tide, how long before the waters returned, and how quickly they returned. Volzinger, who specializes in ocean phenomena, flooding, and tidal waves, calculated that the wind had to have blown at a sustained speed of 67 miles per hour to make the reef. Once the reef formed, he told the St. Petersburg Times, "It would take the Jews--there were 600,000 of them--four hours to cross the 4.2-mile reef that runs from one coast to another. Then, in half an hour, the waters would come back."
The story says that when the Egyptian army followed them into the Red Sea, they drowned. "I am convinced that God rules the Earth through the laws of physics," he said. The study, which took almost six months to complete is titled "Modeling of the Hydrodynamic Situation During the Exodus" and has been published in the Bulletin of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Mark Grubarg, the head of the Jewish community in St. Petersburg, said the spiritual value of this miracle is immense for Jews. "

just for fun..

**alainbryden** · 01-23-2004, 01:06 PM

Heathens!!!! You're all going to hell!!! XD

heyhey11 · 01-23-2004, 01:23 PM

I wish

aleco · 01-23-2004, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heyhey11

I wish

I really don't think so.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brainmaster07

I just don't see how people can believe in something that they have never seen, has never been seen by anyone, has never left any evidence of being, and is in everyway impossible to exist. Not trying to bash it or anything, I just don't get how you can believe that...

How could a God not exist? How could things come into being? How could nature and human and all the other complicated things exist? If it was up to man, we'd all be dead by now. It's possible for a God to exist. You may not understand it, but so much in life is uncomprehendible. I don't see how you can't see it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brainmaster07

And even if there's the whole 'He will come again to judge the living and the dead'... if he sends people to hell because they don't believe in him, he has pretty bad tastes

.

Bad tastes? Is man good? And how could you judge God? He isn't like humans.

Um.....I don't know what to say now.....I'll think of something.

**Cenright** · 01-23-2004, 02:43 PM

I could get into thins, but it would take hours to get anywhere. I'm on of Jahovah's Witnesses, so although I am still a christian religion, my opinions differ greatly from almost all of yours.

**87x** · 01-23-2004, 02:44 PM

basically nothing is fact.. all theorys.. how can anyone believe anything?

**Jello** · 01-23-2004, 06:43 PM

the whole universe is based upon theories. you truly cant prove any of the force laws of physics.. even though calculations work, we still cant see atoms. all of science is pretty much theory. it works. but even we dont know alot about the universe. I still stand on my point that jesus might have been just an ordinary guy who by luck escaped death after crusifiction, yet on the other hand there sure as hell seem to be alot of things that move toward him being the mesiah. although i dont really believe in him. im not doubting anything untill im dead.

makaveli121212 · 01-23-2004, 06:47 PM

87x did you really have any fact behind this before you posted...you said someone told you...did you even think of verifying this before you began to try and degredate many peoples beliefs

**87x** · 01-23-2004, 07:24 PM

i didn't really degrade anything.., i was asking how religion would change if this was proven true.. and if you read my first post i had a link to a site with an article about it.. i based my opinions off that.. and if you read oneof my other post its says i could go either way with this.. im not sure if it is true so i could argue against it on lack of facts... and i could argue with it based on that they found the documents stating that this happened...

*EDIT*
sorry i forget to edit my first post and put the link on there. but lightdarknes provided the link before i could so its in his post..

makaveli121212 · 01-23-2004, 08:25 PM

ok i didnt see the link before either so...thanks for clearing that up there...

01-22-2004, 11:46 PM	#63
Brainmaster07 FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My house Posts: 2,891	I just don't see how people can believe in something that they have never seen, has never been seen by anyone, has never left any evidence of being, and is in everyway impossible to exist. Not trying to bash it or anything, I just don't get how you can believe that... And even if there's the whole 'He will come again to judge the living and the dead'... if he sends people to hell because they don't believe in him, he has pretty bad tastes . __________________

01-23-2004, 10:16 AM	#69
87x Retired Staff Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: VA Age: 40 Posts: 4,379	well.. i see exactly what your saying jello.. and i can see how this wouldn't really affect you.. or your religion.. i have yet to find a follow up report on this.. which is makeing me second guess this whole thing.. but.. its just weird to think that this might have happened... __________________ RAVEnHEXa: Lip ring is because I want to be a professional piercer. 87x: more like.. professional goth.

01-23-2004, 11:18 AM	#71
87x Retired Staff Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: VA Age: 40 Posts: 4,379	someone said something about the red sea being parted.. here.. "This is what the book of Exodus says about the parting of the Red Sea: "And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided. And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon dry ground: the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left." Two mathematicians--one from St. Petersburg, Russia and the other from Hamburg, Germany--have concluded that the Biblical story of Moses parting the rushing waters of the Red Sea so 600,000 Jews could escape slavery by the Egyptians was possible scientifically and in concurrence with the laws of physics, reports Russia's St. Petersburg Times. Using a system of differential equations, Naum Volzinger, a senior researcher at St. Petersburg's Institute of Oceanology, and his Hamburg-based colleague Alexei Androsov established the conditions under which the waves might have parted. Here's the mathematics behind the miracle: There is a reef in the Red Sea exactly at the documented spot where the Jews escaped Egypt. In ancient times, the reef was unbroken and much closer to the surface of the sea than it is today. The Bible story cites the "strong east wind that blew all that night." So mathematically, the two scientists considered wind speed, the strength of the storm that would leave the reef high and dry at low tide, how long before the waters returned, and how quickly they returned. Volzinger, who specializes in ocean phenomena, flooding, and tidal waves, calculated that the wind had to have blown at a sustained speed of 67 miles per hour to make the reef. Once the reef formed, he told the St. Petersburg Times, "It would take the Jews--there were 600,000 of them--four hours to cross the 4.2-mile reef that runs from one coast to another. Then, in half an hour, the waters would come back." The story says that when the Egyptian army followed them into the Red Sea, they drowned. "I am convinced that God rules the Earth through the laws of physics," he said. The study, which took almost six months to complete is titled "Modeling of the Hydrodynamic Situation During the Exodus" and has been published in the Bulletin of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Mark Grubarg, the head of the Jewish community in St. Petersburg, said the spiritual value of this miracle is immense for Jews. " just for fun.. __________________ RAVEnHEXa: Lip ring is because I want to be a professional piercer. 87x: more like.. professional goth.

01-23-2004, 01:06 PM	#72
alainbryden Seen your member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,873	Heathens!!!! You're all going to hell!!! XD __________________ ~NEIGH

01-23-2004, 02:43 PM	#75
Cenright You thought I was a GUY?! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Beaumont (A town with 25 times fewer people than this site) Age: 38 Posts: 3,139	I could get into thins, but it would take hours to get anywhere. I'm on of Jahovah's Witnesses, so although I am still a christian religion, my opinions differ greatly from almost all of yours. __________________ http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...Cube_in_55.mpg

01-22-2004, 09:08 PM	#62
Anticrombie0909 FFR Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,683	I think all religion is crap anyway, so this doesn't affect me very much since I don't believe in Jesus. Sometime, watch 'Monty Python and the Life of Brian' and tell me what you thought of it, especially if you're the religious type.

01-23-2004, 02:15 AM	#64
Omeganitros auauauau Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hee-Haw! Age: 37 Posts: 8,897	"I think the best thing the Lord created was a sense of humor. Isnt it ironic that the most religious people tend to not have one?" -[Forgot who said it]

01-23-2004, 03:28 AM	#65
Anonymous FFR Player Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,088	wow if jesus was the product of a rape 1. it makes a lot of sense to me 2. Finally people wont think im crazy when i say its ok to rape someone because Jesus is a bastard child; a product of rape. 3. rape nuns. 4. rape me ((Again!)) (nirvana) 5. (this isnt official, which means it wont hold up in court, but) I raped a girl before. gays. homos. queers. < not people i identify with in the least. i think jesus might have been a homosexual. Howard Dean for 2004! fuck my bushy nuts and fuck bush he sucks! The Next President Has to resurrect Kurt Cobain! amen to that! even tho im agnostic...

01-23-2004, 04:07 AM	#67
Anonymous FFR Player Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,088	Someone said that the torah was the christians old testiment? well.. you're wrong because it was writin in hebrew. Which is jewish. Jesus was jewish. Jews (me) just believe that jesus is not the mesiah. he could possibly be a messanger from got , but not the peoples savior. its quit possible that jesus could have survived the crusifiction. my dad whos christian said something about him only being on the cross for a day. and being in his tomb for 3. People are crusified every year in mexico i think. or somewhere in south american. they dont die :/. People can go without food for 3 days. the people who are crusified every year do not die. they do not recieve medical attention either. so why is it that jesus must have been the son of god even though he was crusified and put in a tomb for 3 days. http://objective.jesussave.us/kidz.html what does that website say for christianity? some things that the site points out (most of them are racist) : If you find an Atheist in your neighborhood, TELL A PARENT OR PASTOR RIGHT AWAY! You may be moved to try and witness to these poor lost souls yourself, however AVOID TALKING TO THEM! Atheists are often very grumpy and bitter and will lash out at children or they may even try to trick you into neglecting God's Word. Very advanced witnessing techniques are needed for these grouches. Let the adults handle them. some facts the site says about the world. Q:Hey retarded giraff.. werent dinosaurs extinct over a million years ago? A:wrong my little buddy. dino's still walk on the earth , swim in the sea and the earth is less then 10 000 years old! yea im sure jackass giraff.. go spread your bullshit somewhere else.. another is Q:Hey retarded fucked up giraff.. are we the "monkey men" of the netherlands that evolutionists keep talking about? A: why no they are deformed humans with advanced age and flood-cloud-related rickets.. whatever the fuck that means. yea so my point is that its really quite possible that mary could have been impregnated by the guard and that jesus isnt the messiah. im also not ruling out the point that he is. i believe that it could be possible. but it may not. im not a strong believer in god because of what he put me through. If there is a god. i will find out when i die. and if he did create me and loves me, no matter what mistakes ive made he should forgive me for what i have done. and for the wrong things i do when im alive. why wouldnt he forgive me when im dead if he created me? thats my view on it :/... haha oh well this is getting long ill end it here.

01-23-2004, 04:12 AM	#68
Jello FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 612	ah fuck.. it logged me out and that last post is me... JELLO .. sorry about that for some reason when you dont do anything for a long time ffr logs you out

01-23-2004, 10:24 AM	#70
banditcom FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Willimantic, CT Age: 42 Posts: 6,243	Yea that dumb book I looked through has things about a dinosaur still being alive and all this other stuff... I couldn't stand looking through the book, the main reason was because the guy did random bolding, and sometimes they were underlined too.

01-23-2004, 02:44 PM	#76
87x Retired Staff Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: VA Age: 40 Posts: 4,379	basically nothing is fact.. all theorys.. how can anyone believe anything? __________________ RAVEnHEXa: Lip ring is because I want to be a professional piercer. 87x: more like.. professional goth.

01-23-2004, 06:43 PM	#77
Jello FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 612	the whole universe is based upon theories. you truly cant prove any of the force laws of physics.. even though calculations work, we still cant see atoms. all of science is pretty much theory. it works. but even we dont know alot about the universe. I still stand on my point that jesus might have been just an ordinary guy who by luck escaped death after crusifiction, yet on the other hand there sure as hell seem to be alot of things that move toward him being the mesiah. although i dont really believe in him. im not doubting anything untill im dead.

01-23-2004, 07:24 PM	#79
87x Retired Staff Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: VA Age: 40 Posts: 4,379	i didn't really degrade anything.., i was asking how religion would change if this was proven true.. and if you read my first post i had a link to a site with an article about it.. i based my opinions off that.. and if you read oneof my other post its says i could go either way with this.. im not sure if it is true so i could argue against it on lack of facts... and i could argue with it based on that they found the documents stating that this happened... EDIT sorry i forget to edit my first post and put the link on there. but lightdarknes provided the link before i could so its in his post.. __________________ RAVEnHEXa: Lip ring is because I want to be a professional piercer. 87x: more like.. professional goth.

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