World of Warcraft

[Vuture]

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In quest gear? You may be able to do H Nex and UK. Violet Hold may be a bit of a challenge. I'd do Nex and UK for abit until you get some better gear. Go for Violet and fom there do the othe instances.

[Squeek]

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I wouldn't say VH is easy for a fresh Heroic group. For example, your healer has to be extremely well-geared. There are no breaks during this dungeon. The same goes for The Culling of Stratholme (CoS).

Nex and UK are the two easiest dungeons to run, without a doubt, with the third easiest (and most fun) being Drak'Tharon Keep. But why not start on regular dungeons? Get your bearings, learn how the bosses work, etc. The regular ones drop loot that will gear you up for Heroics. You don't have to do Nexus or UK over and over again (unless gear drops from there), you can do Halls of Lightning or Gun'Drak or something. The best part about running regular dungeons is that you can do them over and over again for drops if you have to, whereas heroics are but once a day.

I know you want Emblems, but trust me, it's worth it to learn the dungeons first and then start tackling them. Emblems start to come so easily once you have the combination of experience and gear. In any given day, for no good reason, I run five heroics. That's an average of 25 heroism emblems every day. I've already bought everything worth buying and then some, yet I still do heroics. And since you have a guild with exactly the right setup for every 5-man in the game (save for the lack of ranged dps), you're free to run them all the time without pugging anyone. Our guild's tank left for a while and we had been forced to pug a tank every night, until the tank we seemed to always get just ended up joining the guild.

[Sir Psycho]

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There are breaks during the dungeon, it's just you have to wait every 6 waves of mobs before your healer can get a break to drink.

If your tank is geared enough(almost all BiS), you can run with a resto shaman and never really need a heal. I've done this multiple times, and I'm geared to the point where I can pull a whole room and only need a heal here and there.

[Solid Dreams]

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heroic nexus sucks if you start out with a shaman healer.

and VH was pretty easy even in quest gear, for my healer.

My problem now is I can't really get valor emblems, because nobody wants a tank who hasnt done naxx 10 to tank naxx 25.

But I can't do naxx 10 because my guildies only want to raid on monday, which ISNT ENOUGH TIME.

[Vuture]

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Do some PUG runs.

[rade0110]

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Yeah seriously, even if you did a pug 10 man and went through half of the raid, the odds are very high that you'll get at least one piece of 10 man naxx gear. Possibly more if the other tank is pretty geared through 10 man. Which at this point is a pretty good possibility.

[Necamus]

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Thanks for the replies.

For H VH, the healer is a paladin.. perhaps he could get away with using Divine Plea between waves to keep his mana up?

Turns out the tank is not defense capped yet. Could be a problem. So we're running normal dungeons tonight in the hope of getting him def capped, along with working on the rogue's gear. Rogue only has something like 42 hit rating.. compared to the 442 hit cap. Awesome sauce.

[tsugomaru]

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Heroic VH is easily doable if you have an extremely good healer. When I wasn't as geared, even with a decent group, I was still a little pressured because I had to watch my mana. However, now that I'm geared, I've taken some of the worst groups through this instance. There was a time where our tank had 15k hp and had half dps gear and we managed to get through it. We almost made it through UP as well, but the dps must have felt he was not capable enough to do Skadi.

It seems both the main tank and I have the same problems with gear. The last couple of raid runs, I've been passing all the gear from the lower level bosses to people who would hugely benefit from it. However, the first reaction of the master looter is, "hey, he doesn't have that healing piece, he obviously needs it". I don't mind that the master looter is willing to tip the rolls in my favor, but I really don't care about slightly better gear, especially if it's a huge improvement for someone else. The tank has the same problem to. We get a lot of tanking gear in the raid and most of it is not as good as the gear he currently has, but the guild always makes sure to try to convince him it's better for him. Of course when he needed Last Laugh and some tanking pants, the guild wanted to give it to the offtank.

~Tsugomaru

[Sir Psycho]

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Solid, drop some avoidance if you're having trouble building rage. That 5% increased crit will actually be very good for threat generation, though.

What glyphs do you use? I'm interested in knowing. Mine are, Glyph of Cleaving, Glyph of Blocking, Glyph of Sunder Armor(Cleave and Sunder help massively with AoE tanking), Glyph of Bloodrage, Glyph of Charge and Glyph of Thunderclap.

[Momoko_Katsura]

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http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostmane&n=Elessidel

Just joined a high-end guild on Frostmane yesterday, and went into my second 25 Naxx with them tonight. [First I was a pug with 24 of them]

Tonights run I got pants, shoulders, mainhand, and feet.
In the previous run with them I got my head, wand, tier chest and gloves [which are now replaced with T7[emblem] gloves.]]

So I'm am offically fully epic'd now.
About damn time.


Yes, I realize I'm not fully enchanted yet, just as I realize I need to regem. Most of the gems I have are temp.

[2319 sp dmg with armor on, and Felguard out. Just respecced after the raid. My crit went from 12% to 27% just from respec O.o]

[Squeek]

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There are bad tanks, and then there are baaaaaaad tanks.

I was finishing up Kalu'ak (yay fishing pole and pengu!) and got invited to a 10-man vault. I should've figured out right here that the tank I was eventually going to run with was pathetically bad, but I didn't. Looking at the DPS chart, he was so far in last place that it was almost pathetic. Tanks are supposed to be on the bottom (except good ones who out-DPS the terrible players like the MT did), but pulling 300 DPS...I don't think he even tried. I pulled aggro on the boss about 10 times, even with using my only threat-reducing skill.

So, violet hold came next, since it was the daily and I wanted to run it before the reset. It would've been easy, except the we got stuck with the offtank. I pulled aggro in every portal no matter how long I waited to attack. There was one case where I ran the opposite way from everyone else and got there about ten seconds late and STILL pulled aggro. Fortunately the second boss was Ichoron and I told everyone beforehand if it was him I was pulling the switches because he's just a pain in the ass, so I didn't attack until the third wave passed.

It's not good when you have a tank shortage and a shortage of good tanks. These people really need to learn how to start on Regular dungeons first, because they're clearly not geared for heroics yet.

But that's nothing compared to the worst tank we've ever had. The one who started pulls when the mage / healer was drinking / afk and never watched out for adds or pats and would verbally insult us all when we wiped.

And of course, in the end, they always get the gear they were there for -.-

[Solid Dreams]

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Block, heroic strike, revenge, thunderclap, charge, bloodrage.

I'll probably switch out heroic strike to shield wall, and maybe revenge to last stand, when 3.1 comes out.

EDIT:

There's actually a thread on tankspot.com regarding crappy tanks. :P

http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f160/45991-attitudes-warrior-players.html

Well, not all tanks, but warriors.

[devonin]

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Tanks are supposed to be on the bottom (except good ones who out-DPS the terrible players like the MT did), but pulling 300 DPS...I don't think he even tried.

I single-target for about 1200 DPS, and can AoE about 2300, more the larger the group is. Tanks can and should be putting out good DPS. They'll be nowhere near the top of lists, but they shouldn't be -that- far below the worst of the DPS.

When it's Pally tanks being bad, I like to check and see what weapon they're wielding. SOme of them seem to have not gotten the memo that spellpower maces are -not- our itemization anymore. I mean, in some extreme cases (You've got a crappy rare from a quest chain, and one of the 430+ spellpower maces drops and nobody wants it) it can still be a temporary improvement, but Hammer of Righteousness is your primary threat generating ability now, and it functions off your main-hand DPS. AP>Str>SP now.

[Squeek]

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I'm talking about an ideal situation. Tanks should always be on the bottom of the chart. DPS should always be pulling more than tanks. Healers should not be on the chart (you know, unless they killed a spider or something).

It's easy to tell who sucks as DPS on a recount chart: the person who failed to outdamage the tank. I count my DPS as a failure if I can't even double the output of the tank. That is, of course, unless the fight is a special one where the DPS has to move a lot and the tank doesn't, like Sarth (though I just ran an OS-10 and more than doubled the tank~)

[Solid Dreams]

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I did a heroic nexus yesterday.

I outdpsed everybody in the group. Including a rogue who was almost fully epic'd out.

I had a frostfire mage in the group that SHOULD have owned my ass.

Then, when they got killed on bosses where THEY have to actually help crush the portals, or they need to sheep one of the splits, or they have to do something other than suck at their job, they bitched.

They ended up ditching and blaming me as the reason we wiped. But I reported the damage meters, and pointed out how they were pulling before I did, wouldn't wait, couldn't follow simple strategies, and I got another group and demolished the rest of the area.