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[Solid Dreams]

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Yeah, I was going to say, i haven't actually run into a "bad" DK tank, but I don't do heroics with them because I am the tank. :P

[Vuture]

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Well that's why you haven't had the bad experiences us DPS and Healers have had lol. To be honest, I'll just wait for the Blademaster class. (I am an orc afterall )

P.S. For those of you, like me, who didn't play Warcraft III, the Blademaster is an Orc only sword mastery hero class.

[Momoko_Katsura]

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Do you have 70% dodge?

42.73%

and 1005 unbuffed now.

[Squeek]

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Oh damn. We're getting a huge nerf in 3.1, and it's something that affects you all too.

"Bloodlust/Heroism: Cooldown reduced to 5 minutes, but Sated and Exhausted now last 10 minutes."

It makes no sense. In a 5-man group with one shaman, nothing has changed, except that a wipe means it'll be cooled by the time you start again for the most part, but if this was the aim, then why have a cooldown at all? In a raid, it means you have to wait on every damn boss, or die intentionally. Ten minutes is far too long of a debuff period for the skill and it makes having multiple shaman pretty worthless. Having two is still ok, since they can use different totems, but nowadays I'm only ever dropping the same four totems as the other ones don't stack with other skills other classes have that don't require dropping a ranged aura stick (Strength of Earth -> Horn of Winter, Windfury -> Icy Talons, the list goes on). The only benefit is when you need a rare totem, like frost resist on Sapphiron, since my Fire totem is exclusively dedicated to Wrath.

But back to bloodlust, is there any other skill in the game that pushes a debuff on you longer than the cooldown period of the skill itself? It made sense before and was working just fine. Why change it? Here's hoping it's a change that stays on the PTR.

Edit: since this is my first time seeing PTR notes before the actual patch, can someone tell me how often things change between PTR notes and actual patches?

[DrKirth]

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So I finally got around to doing 10 man Naxx and it was great. I hope I get to do all the other raids sometime soon.

[Solid Dreams]

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Things change all the time.

And call me crazy, but it sorta makes sense to nerf the heroism, I think they want us to rely on something else.

Or to make it harder, which I can see.

Holy crap, did you see all the buffing they gave druids and paladins? That really ticks me off. I'm glad I'm leveling a paladin to tank with. =/

[Squeek]

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Bloodlust / Heroism isn't a skill you "rely" on. It's a skill that makes bosses less tedious. I use bloodlust on every other boss in 5-mans regardless of difficulty, just because I want to hurry through it.

Let's take bosses that have phases for example. And for this example, let's use the one with the most annoying phase: Heigan. Now, with Bloodlust and a good group, you might only have to do phase 2 one time. This is good for multiple reasons. One, the dance is annoying and nobody likes to do it. Two, this is where most of your deaths come from and you're almost guaranteed to get at least half the group killed during this phase.

Now think about every fight where a tiny delay in DPS can lead to another two or three minutes of tedious fighting. Noth teleports every 110 seconds. If you can drop him before 220 seconds, you don't have to suffer through the stupid adds phase a second time, which wastes an additional 70 seconds. What could be a three minute fight suddenly turns into a five minute fight. He's not easier or harder, he's just less time-consuming. Considering how long it takes to run Naxx already, time is important.

Now guess who comes after Noth? Yeah, Heigan. You go through Epic Alley, which takes three minutes, and then you're staring at Heigan for 7 minutes waiting for Sated/Exhausted to cool because you don't want to do the dance three times.

Do you hate these changes yet? The only thing this does is force people to idle during the cooldown. If you make people idle, then people start doing stupid things. People accidentally pull, people AFK and forget to come back, etc. Tell me how this is good for the game, because I'd love to hear it.

People are already suggesting de-equipping everything and dying after every boss so the debuff drops. Seriously.

And speaking of Bloodlust, I was running Violet Hold with a pug last night (it was the daily) and I always use BL on the 6th and 18th portals, regardless of the boss order (damn 12th voidwalker). Well, I did it this time as well and we dropped her before it even ran out. The Recount timer said 34 seconds. I pulled 5,000 DPS and a mage pulled 5.7k. She didn't even get a chance to do Arcane Grip (the skill that pulls everyone directly under her and drops all aggro). Would we have wiped without bloodlust? No. But the fight took significantly less time so we could move on to another dungeon afterwards.

The only part of Bloodlust I'd nerf is using it alone. When I BL myself I can take on most 5+ man quests. Not all, of course. Some of those elites are just ridiculous. The best solution for Bloodlust would be to make it like they've made potions--one time per battle. They were obviously aiming for this as some fights can last over 5 minutes and having two shaman means another bloodlust (hay 3D Sarth), but this is not the way to do it. Simple concept here--if the fight starts with Sated/Exhausted on, it will not drop until the fight ends. This prevents groups from using BL right before engaging, unlike the potion trick of using one right beforehand and then using another mid-fight.

[Vuture]

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Changes between the realease of patch notes and the actual patch usually stop 5 to 6 days before the release of the patch. So that cd may be x'd by the time the patch comes out. And I feel your pain. The CD of Heart of the Phoneix (Returns your pet back with full health) is 10 minutes. Which I suppose isn't a big deal, as your pet souldn't die anyways, but is a real pain on back to back bosses.

[Sir Psycho]

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Heigan is easy. If you can't dance, quit WoW.

[Solid Dreams]

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Dammit.

They nerfed my glyph. Thanks, again, Blizz.

No, I don't want or need another 5% crit with heroic strike. I'm having a hard enough time generating rage as it is without you taking away one of the main ways of getting it!

EDIT: I don't really see the problem in this.

If you want to pay the repair bill, go for it, just wipe up. Otherwise you'll have to last a little longer in the dance.

Hell, we did Heigan for the first time last night and got him down the second try.

With 9 in the raid, and 2 dead. He's not so hard you require something like that. =/

EDIT 2:

Holy crap. If glyph of shield wall and the improved disciplines stack, that's 40% damage reduction for 10-12 seconds? every minute.


YES. DO WANT.

[tsugomaru]

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That nerf doesn't make sense to me either. I think the idea was to ensure that there will only be one Bloodlust per boss fight, but then why can't they just make it so that shamans can't cast Bloodlust a second time in a fight like the same way we can't use two potions within the same encounter.

~Tsugomaru

[Squeek]

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Heigan is easy. If you can't dance, quit WoW.

Even since my first time there, I never once died to that. The guy in vent basically said "I'm going to explain this briefly, but if this is your first time, you're going to die anyway, so just don't worry about it."

Group 5 (my group) had a 100% success rate. We kicked ass. I even threw several attacks at him my first time.

That nerf doesn't make sense to me either. I think the idea was to ensure that there will only be one Bloodlust per boss fight, but then why can't they just make it so that shamans can't cast Bloodlust a second time in a fight like the same way we can't use two potions within the same encounter.

Several people on the WoW forums have suggested this (which is where I got my idea from too), so hopefully they listen before it goes live.

[Squeek]

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Had my first Master Loot breakdown happen today. Of course, it happened to me.

Two shoulders dropped from OS25. One of them was an upgrade for me, and again, I was the only spellcasting mail-wearer (I'm starting to love the rarity of my class and the beauty of the armor type we have). The first was leather, and a few druids rolled on it. ML handed out the mail shoulders to the person instead of the leather.

I have no idea how the process of getting it fixed works but the druid put in a GM ticket for them and I assume they'll be removed from his inventory and placed in mine in due course.

It's funny because just before the fight I was talking in guild about how the shoulders I had were ugly and that I couldn't wait to replace them. Sadly, these new shoulders are even uglier. Only 26 more Valor tokens until I get my hawt shoulders...

And oh yeah Naxx has been a bitch. Not once has a hunter/warrior/shaman token dropped in any of my runs. Some people who have been running for longer said this has been a trend for a while now as the 4-man token seems to drop all the time.

[Solid Dreams]

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Yeah, I noticed that as well.

And it sucks because not only do I have a healer shaman who actually comes close to trumping me in priority in tokens, I also have a hunter who cries everytime something that drops he might use, he loses.

(My guild has a nice policy of MT/OT > Healer > DPS for token drops, considering we have a lot of DPS that swap out and flake out.)

[Necamus]

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So, my guild is extremely new. I'm pretty much in charge of the guild, being the only officer besides the guild master, and she's rarely online. At the moment, there are three level 80s: my paladin (have put out 2.5k DPS), a DK (1.8k?), and a rogue (less than 1.5k last I heard). All melee DPS. There are two other high 70s, a DK who has been collecting tank gear, and a paladin that will respec to holy at 80.

I'm gonna be responsible for getting this ragtag group into heroics. I was wondering what the easiest heroic would be to start with, considering it's all melee DPS, so AoE damage would probly have to be minimal, though the soon to be holy paladin is experienced and will hopefully be pretty good. Not so sure about that DK tank.

I've been told the three easiest heroic 5mans are Nexus, Violet Hold, and Utgarde Keep. Would a group of mostly fresh 80s in Northrend quest gear be able to pull these off? I've got some pre-raid best in slot pieces myself, but I know the other two DPS are still in 90% quest gear. If we likely couldn't do any of those, are there any other entry level heroics?