School systems in America.

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By a small percent. However, the difference is great in those that voted for him as opposed to those who currently favour him. Say 48.9 percent voted for him, One in Ten* americans hate him.


*Probably true. I used this once to bs an american gov't essay.


Point be made, however, the majority is against bush, yet 48 percent voted for him.

[Reach]

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Yes the system is horribly flawed and isn't going to change. It's a very practical system. This obviously has nothing to do with it being good, but it certainly is practical.

You're right, rote memorization is fairly pointless. Anyone, and I know from experience, can obtain wonderful grades without using an ounce of their brains. You're not really learning anything. For practical purposes, they don't care about who is smart past a certain grade, who is the most creative ect, and they certainly don't give a **** about how much you're learning.

Education is NOT, at the heart of it, about learning and teaching the population.


It's one giant integrated system. Look at it this way, the universities want 2 things. They want the people with good grades because they know the people with perfect GPA's are going to be the people that make them money. And they also want to get rid of the people with low marks, because they arn't going to make them money, they're going to lower their rank ect. They also need to get rid of people for selective programs.

The universities don't particularily care about how they do this as long as it gets done, and the current system does exactly that.


Why do you think they use the SAT? It's practical. They don't give a **** about how much you know, they want to design a test that is going to eliminate a lot of people and only take the ones that are going to make them money.

It's only going to get worse. It's not that the standards are necessarily lowered in highschool (ok this is very school specific. The standards are different in most schools and even between professors).

What happens is now that you're in university, guess what happens to the student body? They're all high achievers! And now they need another method of eliminating people. You're going to sit college exams that are like an hour long and full of about 40 ambiguous multiple choice that determine nearly your whole mark for the class. I think i've already made it clear about why they do this. Practicality. They want most people to fail so they can get rid of them from the program. They also need to test a massive amount of people and don't give a **** about you other than your test scores and volunteer work.



I suppose for the sake of saying something good about the system, it isn't the worst education system on the planet. A lot of asian countries have it pretty bad. There is quite a bit of flexibility, and even though grades and becoming more and more and more important, they are still not as important as in some places.


So they all leave and come here and completely mop up our system ;o

[Bahamut-X]

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Reason the system sucks is because we don't apply what we learn. Like the OP said,the teacher will have him memorize info that he'll forget in like a year. Why is this? He has no need to apply it in life. I think students should only be taught things they can apply to life, because that's the only way IMO anything you learn can have use.

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My school system rocks and most of my teachers rock, and I don't have anything to complain about. If think you want to learn badly enough, you'd be able to overcome most of the obstacles everyone is talking about.

(and of course, we don't treat other country's education systems with respect. You're an MD? Oh, you got your degree in India? I'm sorry, we don't take degrees from your country; here, you can be the janitor!.)

My dad got a job in America in the early 90's from China because he was a software designer or something... and that's how I ended up here. I'm sure this happens, but not all the time.

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People spout out how American students don't perform as well as students from other countries.

That is a MYTH. Yes, on average, it is true, but that's because the VAST majority of the rest of the modern world weeds out the lower ends of their classes year by year. The top 10% of American students outperform the top 10% of any other country, or at least are on equal footing.

Why do you think that the most intelligent people from other countries seek a college education at an American university?

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i think the principal lowers the expectations because if he doesnt make AYP (AYP is a standard that the scool boards put on major tests such as the FCAT) standards the principal will be fired and the school will have a poor reputation
or because theyre just plain LAZY because my 8 year old cousin is learning semetry and degrees and hes in kindergarten (people in China require kids to stay in a certain grade for 2 years)

P.S.dsadsadsa your in IB dang you must be smart (i live in Florida)

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The top 10% of American students outperform the top 10% of any other country, or at least are on equal footing.

Why do you think that the most intelligent people from other countries seek a college education at an American university?

For the first thing, no they don't. We lose every intelegence competition, and we usually place really really close to last place.

For the second thing, the topic is on highschools, and come time for college, 50% of students drop out because the standards shoot through the roof of what they are used to from highschool.

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Edit: You know what would be nice? If education was a market. There's plenty of demand for it, which would produce a lot of competition, and the quality of the product would skyrocket as a result.

That's what college is for.

Also, Squeek, regardless of what happened in 2000, we did vote Bush in back in 2004.

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For the first thing, no they don't. We lose every intelegence competition, and we usually place really really close to last place.

For the second thing, the topic is on highschools, and come time for college, 50% of students drop out because the standards shoot through the roof of what they are used to from highschool.

I'm looking for studies to prove what I'm saying, but I'm not able to find any studies showing comparisons between school students in different countries.

First to provide a link wins. Wins what, I dont know, but wins.

[T0rajir0u]

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That's what college is for.

SUGOI~

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[Reach]

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People spout out how American students don't perform as well as students from other countries.

That is a MYTH. Yes, on average, it is true, but that's because the VAST majority of the rest of the modern world weeds out the lower ends of their classes year by year. The top 10% of American students outperform the top 10% of any other country, or at least are on equal footing.

Why do you think that the most intelligent people from other countries seek a college education at an American university?

I'd bet a lot of money some european countries and east asian countries would completely mop the floor with american kids.

Mind you, the quality of life in some of the asian countries is horrible. Their lives revolve around education, and that certainly isn't a good thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfRUMmTs0ZA

As much as I'm sure some of it is skewed, it's fairly sad.

[hund]

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Im not sure exactly what we are talking about here, because there are three different discussions going on. Highschool education, college education, and who the h*** voted for Pres. Bush.

If we are still talking about the highschool education system, you have to relize that all highschools are different. If you go to Maine, its going to be different than Nevada.
Now, I went to two different highschools. One was a DODS (Department of Defense Schools) and the other was in Florida, Rockledge to be exact. Now when I was at the American Government run school, it was the best education I ever had in any grade level. Now why is this? It is because the government ran it and they payed the teachers to teach us. If the teachers sucked, they got fired. Also, on the subject of paying teachers, the DODS teachers were payed EXTEMELY well. They were the ones driving new BMWs (I lived in Germany when I went to a DOD School) not the students, like when I was in Florida. Because the teachers were payed well and had to perform well, or they would be sent back to the US, so the students were taught better than a non-pubic highschool. I say non-public because, I would assume, a non-public school is like a DOD school where the teachers had to perform well or they would be fired.
Now when I was in Florida, I was very disapointed because it was nowhere near the level of education that I was just at. And so because of this I was fed information on Monday and #2ed it out on Friday and forgot it by Saturday. BUT, I did very well in school, I think I had a 3.4 overall GPA or something around it, when I graduated. I dont remember, it has been over 3 years since I graduated. Anyway, I had that because before any major test we spent two weeks going over everything on the test. I am sure this is what some if not most of you did before a test. And the teacher went over the questions on the actual test, BEFORE THE TEST.
At this point I would like to ask any college student, if this is what happens in college. I would assume that the professor doesnt go over the test before the test and that is why most college student fail out of college. I dont know much of anything on the subject of college, because I went the Marine Corps route in life.

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P.S.dsadsadsa your in IB dang you must be smart (i live in Florida)

Meh, Pre-IB is only a little bit better than honours, I'm leaving after this year. Once the real IB program starts it's about 3-4 hours of homework a night. I would rather not... Where in Florida are you?
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ps hund's rule

At this point I would like to ask any college student, if this is what happens in college. I would assume that the professor doesnt go over the test before the test and that is why most college student fail out of college. I dont know much of anything on the subject of college, because I went the Marine Corps route in life.

lol

Well here at my university, it's completely different than highschool. Profs don't particularily care about you in large classes, IE first and second year classes. They basically lecture the material to you, and you're expected to know it. You don't even need to go to class if you want to because your mark is entirely tests and labs.

They're not going to tell you what's on the test...yea right. They're going to say "You're responsible for Chapters such and such, there will be 40 questions on the test." or something along those lines. They also don't give a **** if you thought the test was unfair ect, though the majority of profs do put together a fair exam, there are some that do not and do not care.


You have to be willing to put a lot of time into your studies in college/university because profs really don't teach you much, they present the material to you but most of the learning is done yourself, unlike highschool, which is why most people get slaughtered on college exams.

But how much the prof teaches you really depends, so it's good to look up your profs on rate a prof or something before hand. The majority of profs are researchers, not teachers, so naturally this doesn't necessarily mean they're good at teaching the material.

Once the real IB program starts it's about 3-4 hours of homework a night

What. 3-4 hours a night? What the ****?

I didn't take IB.



From what i've heard and read from the IB books, the program isn't that great. The IB math books are easier than the books we were using. The material is all fluffed up with no real content and is full of lots of bull**** that doesn't really enhance your learning experience, atleast not here.


And all that homework isn't going to prepare you for college. You don't even get ****ing 'homework' in college. You have to do lab reports, but that's it. The majority of your time is going to be study.

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Excactly. More the reason to leave IB.

My economics teacher today was telling me about how some college professors are simply there to fund some of their own research, not giving a flying **** about the student. Makes complete sense to me. They aren't payed to baby the students through college, they are payed to teach kids, and they aren't excactly "Evaluated" like highschool teachers are.

All this adds up to the fact that American high schools bluntly fail at preparing kids for college.