TWG 209: Jeff's Just Here to Party GAME THREAD

[SubaruPoptart]

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I got a heating pad and 2 ibuprofen, hips are killin me for some reason so it took a bit to get to the computer. Gonna try and attempt to go out to the mall as well today if possible, provided hips co-operate. I'll be gone for a while but pokin in on phone now that I got that set up.

This is interesting analysis with TPS, thanks for this.

Also, a note for you: I will not be here for end of day again so please let me know if you want to know anything specific from me in advance*. I am just going to call everything as I see it up to the point that I can be here. Especially if new stuff happens of relevance late, please don't feel like chained to put too much stock into whatever my opinions were. I am town this game, but I am fallible, and this is a decision we are making together.

Your post about Jinx definitely cleared some stuff up.

Basically, what Jinx has been doing does not look much to me like stereotypical Wolf vs Wolf stuff, although I think I would feel more confidence in this if we had more to go on from Freezin's end of it?

I hadn't been considering interactions between potential wolf and Freezin, mainly just lookin at people's individual behavior.

I actually also think that her being slightly inconsistent in her explanation of why she voted Bone at the end of day 0 vs. today, sounds more to me like someone who left the game as a tired town player, more than someone who was deciding their vote from a wolf perspective.

Also very much something I was not considering.

It was for this:



Few minutes later I posted that was going to sleep because was really tired and brain was slow and just needed sleep. Then



Another person then asked if we could have a taste besides the number thing and Lahkesis explained.

So I felt ignored when I what meant or if there was the “a lot I wished to address” nothing was said until someone else asked. But if you have a lot to say then say before goes to night phase. Wolf behavior
@star and @blind pairing was because of how Blind entered the thread. I didn’t realize the red was a vote at the beginning of the game. But the enter action a little felt wonky and thought it’s hard decipher because I don’t know previous relationships here.

Also for reply to @Subaru question

Tired/ouchies brain goin atm myself, corroborating your posts with each point Star had made I do believe this. I'm havin a hard time parsing a lot of your posts but I absolutely missed these things when making my couple initially.

I cannot think of any decent questions I'd have atm that haven't already been ninja'd in the time it took me to type this to be quite honest [as of #255], I'm kinda waiting for Bone and Lahke to come back.

[SubaruPoptart]

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Pinnacle of towniness-
SubaruPoptart

The people that might be wolves but we probably do not have time to vote off unless people lower down figure out how to clear themselves-
Tier 1 - I have lost the plot if they are a wolf??: JinxGrace
Tier 2 - Frustrating but probably town at heart: Blindreper

The three vote outs I currently would suggest to win the game-
Bone, TPS, Lakh

I think Bone is charismatic and had a decent D0. I think now knowing Freezin's a wolf, and looking back at what Bone was pushing and why he was pushing it (TPS/blind), I can see that as just being the wolf agenda and that he just didn't show up to fulfill it. Currently, I see this as being the most likely scenario, hence my vote.

There are a lot of questions surrounding TPS. He will probably need some strong analysis to not get voted off at some stage just based on the overall collective's opinions. I think there is some chance that he is a wolf, and I also fear that is more of an 'easy' answer than a 'right' answer. It's possible it just feels unsatisfying to me at the current moment because his mindset is more obscure but I feel like no one other than roundbox has like given him any credit for what he does have going for him.

Lakh seems like a strong player that is getting stuck in their head a bit or does not have enough time. I think there can be an edge case where they wrote a couple of insanely good posts as a wolf and then got stuck. I think voting them would hurt my heart though!

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There is not a lot of free time left in my day (ain't time zones fun!) so I was sorta hoping to slowroll this more and see more interactions before nailing this down. I'll still try to pop in for questions and commentary if I can but yeah.

Where I stand atm, I might have some subconscious tunnelling going on with Jinx. Coming to this conclusion cuz I'd asked Jinx about the Blind/Star pairing already on 161. That is my bad; gonna have to start iso'ing myself too goin forward.

I feel Blind's acting pretty standard for Him, like y'all and himself were sayin he hasn't really played recently, nor do I think have I ever played with him outside of 200 (which I'd lowkey entirely forgotten about til it was mentioned for the first time, that game was fucked). Idrk what his playstyle is but comin from Blind as Blind yeah that seems like Blind; not much masking or angling I can personally pick up on.

Very curious about how TPS' reads'll shake out. Even when I was tunnelling on Jinx with the 50/50 on them I am admittedly more certain about TPS. You got a point with the "it's prolly the easy answer" though.

I haven't been considering Bone/Lahke in any of my votes but I'mma re-read em when I got the brain to. Havin different lenses/isos to read alongside it'll prolly help me figure stuff out with those two. I'd just been reading em as individuals like I was sayin and that was not very effective.

[Lahkesis]

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Rip to Roundbox....was a bit surprised he was wolfed first...I would have thought that bc he is an og FFR'r her would have been given graces to exist longer in game no matter the play style.

It makes me think that a reason for the wolves deciding to wolf him was a choice out of wary-ness/fear, like they knew he was going to probably narrow things down a lot day 2.

So, first thing I want to say is that blindrepr1179 basically gave me a "confirmed town" feel by his first D2 post that said, "GUYS I AM SO SORRY I MISSED EOD. I'M SO GLAD STAR IS ALIVE AND I CALLED IT FREEZIN WAS A WOLF. LET'S GOOOOOOO
"

^Usually a wolf wouldn't post so earnestly proud of calling out a wolf with their vote right away like that. Seemed like an innocent compulsion which reads town to me.

So I guess it's worth looking into who was Roundbox looking at with suspicion? Well Tps got his vote at the end of the day. I was his suspicion first, but then he switched the heat off me and removed the vote...which at first I thought was a bit wishy washy and suspect, but honestly that proved to wrong because he was human and seemed to go on a more thought-out trail in the end...

I had wanted to post about Tps right before Day 1 ended, but I missed the chance because I returned to the thread in the last 10 minutes or so and couldn't post fast enough, but anyways....



Before I do this though I want to make a double post intentionally to address something I wanted to do before EoD Saturday, but missed my chance bc everything happened too quick and I didnt get to make the posts I had wanted to first.

[Lahkesis]

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^^^Before I begin with reads, like I said in my post above, I wanted to address something lol:


I feel like now is the time in the game where I should come out with that I'm actually Nakah, aka Lightknight924 from these forums, and I have played a lot of TWG here in the past lolol I was a member since 2004-5 or so....

I had to join this game as Lahkesis because it's honestly the only account I could recover the information to. I for some reason can't access the old Lightknight924 email anymore and I forget the Nakah e-mail...so this was what came up when I saw signups and rushed to signup.

I signed up bc I thought it'd be fun to play in a game with both everyone but especially tps as an incognito alias lol...Although I feel like perhaps the nature of my posting and my avatar choice could have given me away to some people. Tps being a relative(don't worry he's an hour and a half away so there's no OOTC communication) -It would be fun to play since that probably hasn't happened in 100 TWGs or so.

Also anyways lastbonehican is also my friend from irl(but also lives like 45 minutes away so no OOTC we promised each other before the game started)....

^Normally I would have left lastbonehican out of this bc why should I call him out? Yet since it is the next Day phase and things are gettin' more srs....I feel like calling him out to put his honesty in check now = P bc I still have reasons to sus him in this game. Some others might remember him playing on this forum a few times in the past under his thelastbonehican account...but he probably lost access to that account as well. He was more of a TWG'er from NinSheetMusic back in the day and on my twg discord.


ANYWAYS, onto reads...Since I'm Lightknight924/Nakah...I can kinda say that I knew slightly how to view Tps, roundbox, and lastbonehican's post styles from the beginning...I actually was more interested in asking questions towards roundbox's way in the following phase, so it's a tad sad that the remaining wolf chose them first. You could read that as a bs defense statement, but I kid you not....Would have been fun to parse their mind in discussion and then come out as Nakah in the thread, rather than post mortem like this.


Ah well...Onto TPS....Before the day ended I wanted to bring up my thoughts on Tps....I feel like he dropped into the first day phase chat a bit late and with a passive "hey guys I'm here, just busy on fridays etc gonna catch up and hit ya back up soon with some stuff etcetc" Which is natural and all for a first day post to duck in and say hey, but that's also the strange thing to me, because I feel that in the past twg's, Tps is one to take matters and timings very seriously. I would have expected more early influence out of him for the first Day.

The next thing is kind of along the same vibes I'm getting from everyone else about his posting style since roundbox was killed and what happens when focus turned on freezin.

So all I mean to point attention to with 'IS TPS SUSPECT OR IS IT IN MY HEAD?' Is that Tps did vote back towards Roundbox at the end of the day, and Roundbox ended up wolf. Tps is being a bit cautious and timing with his posts, but whether its calculative silence or just dull township checking in and out is yet to be seen imo...Like I said anyone that wanted to wolf roundbox off this early is someone that wanted to create fuzz in the air so the towns dont know what to do by silencing the the people who will stir up things one at a time.

[Lahkesis]

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Ahh third post sorry....I wanted to say something to leave off where my thoughts are at, at the moment...


If Tps is town by any means, then I feel we should be looking at Subarupoptart this time more closely...I'm getting strong first Day vibes and something strikes me a bit off with that person.

I also would like to hear from lastbonehican as well soon because I do feel like he's got knowledge of how to approach the first day more than meets the eye, and if anyone might go after a strong player from early on, then he might be one of those people to take that risk to take them out.


I'll be back with more in a bit when I can study/absorb the past few pages a bit more. Hope by coming out as who I am might help town put things into perspective a bit meta wise with ideas idk. Hope it's not a death sentence over me = P

[Tps222]

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Nah I have some very interesting information to share but haven't had a break since D2 started to put it altogether. Sorry for the the tease, probably looking at post 5 PM EST for me to clarify.

[blindreper1179]

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^^^Before I begin with reads, like I said in my post above, I wanted to address something lol:


I feel like now is the time in the game where I should come out with that I'm actually Nakah, aka Lightknight924 from these forums, and I have played a lot of TWG here in the past lolol I was a member since 2004-5 or so....

I had to join this game as Lahkesis because it's honestly the only account I could recover the information to. I for some reason can't access the old Lightknight924 email anymore and I forget the Nakah e-mail...so this was what came up when I saw signups and rushed to signup.

I signed up bc I thought it'd be fun to play in a game with both everyone but especially tps as an incognito alias lol...Although I feel like perhaps the nature of my posting and my avatar choice could have given me away to some people. Tps being a relative(don't worry he's an hour and a half away so there's no OOTC communication) -It would be fun to play since that probably hasn't happened in 100 TWGs or so.

Also anyways lastbonehican is also my friend from irl(but also lives like 45 minutes away so no OOTC we promised each other before the game started)....

^Normally I would have left lastbonehican out of this bc why should I call him out? Yet since it is the next Day phase and things are gettin' more srs....I feel like calling him out to put his honesty in check now = P bc I still have reasons to sus him in this game. Some others might remember him playing on this forum a few times in the past under his thelastbonehican account...but he probably lost access to that account as well. He was more of a TWG'er from NinSheetMusic back in the day and on my twg discord.


ANYWAYS, onto reads...Since I'm Lightknight924/Nakah...I can kinda say that I knew slightly how to view Tps, roundbox, and lastbonehican's post styles from the beginning...I actually was more interested in asking questions towards roundbox's way in the following phase, so it's a tad sad that the remaining wolf chose them first. You could read that as a bs defense statement, but I kid you not....Would have been fun to parse their mind in discussion and then come out as Nakah in the thread, rather than post mortem like this.


Ah well...Onto TPS....Before the day ended I wanted to bring up my thoughts on Tps....I feel like he dropped into the first day phase chat a bit late and with a passive "hey guys I'm here, just busy on fridays etc gonna catch up and hit ya back up soon with some stuff etcetc" Which is natural and all for a first day post to duck in and say hey, but that's also the strange thing to me, because I feel that in the past twg's, Tps is one to take matters and timings very seriously. I would have expected more early influence out of him for the first Day.

The next thing is kind of along the same vibes I'm getting from everyone else about his posting style since roundbox was killed and what happens when focus turned on freezin.

So all I mean to point attention to with 'IS TPS SUSPECT OR IS IT IN MY HEAD?' Is that Tps did vote back towards Roundbox at the end of the day, and Roundbox ended up wolf. Tps is being a bit cautious and timing with his posts, but whether its calculative silence or just dull township checking in and out is yet to be seen imo...Like I said anyone that wanted to wolf roundbox off this early is someone that wanted to create fuzz in the air so the towns dont know what to do by silencing the the people who will stir up things one at a time.

Round was wiped out because that's typical of them. It's actually a lose lose situation for round very often. Because if they aren't wolved night 1, they usually get the "HES A WOLF!!" treatment. This however gives me info that it was someone who's played here at least a couple times.

[blindreper1179]

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Nah I have some very interesting information to share but haven't had a break since D2 started to put it altogether. Sorry for the the tease, probably looking at post 5 PM EST for me to clarify.

I'm counting down the minutes. You better be here!!

[blindreper1179]

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I reFUUUUUUUUSE to be wolfread this game

Looks like you did it, little buddy!

[blindreper1179]

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I forgot.
tps222

[blindreper1179]

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How much rent do you pay to live in this thread subaru?

[blindreper1179]

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Tier 2 - Frustrating but probably town at heart: Blindreper

I'm so sorry. 😭😭😭 Definitely an accident. Even if I was a wolf, I would of picked someone else to lynch. I know you said it hasn't happened yet, but your night kill material. Lynching you; unless it's very obvious you're a wolf, it's too damning on one's play to just let that go. Everyone will be dumpster diving into every one who voted you. Might be why some people suspect me this game.

[star-crossed]

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The Nakah reveal - to be quite honest, I am only vaguely familiar of Nakah being somebody on this website that tends to make very long messages but that is about it. So I guess this makes some sense. He sounds like he knows TPS and Bone really well though, and at least one of you are town, so maybe you will know what how to integrate this info??

Also, over my dead body would you guys look at Subaru before like final 3 if at all. He was literally already the most town and then he sniped Freezin??

Round was wiped out because that's typical of them. It's actually a lose lose situation for round very often. Because if they aren't wolved night 1, they usually get the "HES A WOLF!!" treatment. This however gives me info that it was someone who's played here at least a couple times.

Maybe this was true at some point in the past like before my time, but not in recent history. E.g. if you scroll through the bottom of the TWG history thread, there are several examples of him living to the end as town. Mostly I saw him getting killed like Night 3 when he is killed? I was assuming that he was shot because he voted off Freezin and they were hoping he was a special role on top of it.

[Tps222]

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Ok, time to start providing context. I am the Town Tracker and I targeted Blind last night.

It was a successful choice as he targeted someone as well (me!).

Initially I assumed this meant I was going to browse to the thread and find myself wolfed. Instead, Roundbox was gone, which makes some sense given his strength as a player and his approach on D1.

Let's look at some general post context from D1:

By principle I won't be leaving a vote on anyone I deem inactive, I want some spice to flow, even if I'm not going to be around to harvest it

Hmm, I wonder who was inactive at that time period. Let's see what Blind posted after that call out (the parent quote doesn't translate unfortunately, but I highlighted the post numbers in the quotes below that I think link to relevant context.

This is wolfy behavior. Stating obvious town defenses.

This post alone, even before I read the last part, gives off "I've played my fair share of twg". I like it.

To answer you about roundbox, they're almost always wolf read and voted out either d0 or d1. I do agree it's a power play but it doesn't lean them one way or the other imo. Some may disagree.

What it do bro

This is some nonteamwork bs. Having someone willing to vote off somebody to kill a streak isn't something we need here.

Wolf

Lets look at role meta:

I'd just call it speculation
typically 9 player is 2 wolf without a special setup making it more balanced/more difficult. with the host saying it's a very easy setup, I wouldn't imagine more than 2 wolves. Look up most 9 player setups and you'll find 2 wolves.

personally, I find talk about the setup in this fashion to be not indicative of alignment. Sure, a wolf could ask wolf chat, but they could also ask the thread in the same way and postulate. Is what Jinx posted towny? Not particularly. Is it wolfy? Also not particularly. It's just kinda there.

Sorry to approach this from game-meta, but there's no way that we have 5 vanilla greens+2blues vs 2 vanilla reds. It's much more likely that I am the only blue, and that it's 6 greens, 1 blue, 1 vanilla red and 1 master red.

D2 starts, and look at the distancing attempt from Freezn' for blind and then the immediate pivot to attacking me (he seer'd me and found I was blue).

GUYS I AM SO SORRY I MISSED EOD. I'M SO GLAD STAR IS ALIVE AND I CALLED IT FREEZIN WAS A WOLF. LET'S GOOOOOOO

TPS, why did you stay on your vote? You were here late enough to change it, yet you stayed.

Defense of not voting for Freezin' but "hinting" at it.

This right here. I never came back before EOD to make my vote change.

Nah I have some very interesting information to share but haven't had a break since D2 started to put it altogether. Sorry for the the tease, probably looking at post 5 PM EST for me to clarify.

Seeing as I was alive but targeted, this means Blind is the master wolf/seer-enabled wolf and found me out last night (nice hit btw) and then focused on me from the get-go.

Even if you don't believe me, you can lynch me today and I'll full role cardflip and then you can lynch Blind afterwards.

The only way we lose is if I'm wrong about the meta and both Blind and I are green-aligned Blues, but that seems less likely than what I've suggested, and I think this approach has a higher % of producing victory than if I hadn't claimed.

I figured out multi-quote! (I think?)

[LastOfTheBonehicans]

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Alright going to give my best attempt at chiming in here. Sorry for any misspellings. Had Lasik on Friday and that whole oh you can drive after 24 hours... yeah thats a damn lie. It does however get worse before it gets better.

That said, totally get the call out for disappearing. Believe what you will, but mainly had to do with lack of vision and I was comfortable enough with my vote that realistically I probably wasnt gonna change it without a drastic shift anyways.

As for my reads on the two who are no longer with us.

Roindbox posted more than Freezin hence why I analyzed them more. Honestly, I think my take was more positive neutral to roundbox and negative neutral towards freezin based on differing of opinions. I even referenced how freezin took a stance that more aligned with star and that roundbox's take aligned more with how I view inactives.

With that said, to stir the pot up a little, I have think out loud....

There were 2 maybe 3 real people questioning and giving reads on the first day. Roundbox and Star. You could throw my hat in the ring there, as i tried to provide value in my responses.

One of them is dead, one just showed up to the party here on the second day phase, the other thinks I should die.

I pointed out that it seems that stars playstyle is probably respected here and they can dictate the pace of the game. If I were a wolf and played an aggressive style and my voice held weight in the forum, I would want all others trying to assert their voice to die. Not saying that everyone would blindly follow, but look at how things have been worded.

Im paraphrasing here because I dont have a shot at adding the quote in right now... but star worded their call out of tps, myself, and Nakah as... unless they get good at clearing their names they're the next 3. Also when voting for me, said idk how you can defend your way out of this.

I will do my best to respond to the inevitable call out before end of day, but if not, everything i read says eye sight should be back tomorrow and I'll respond.