TWG 209: Jeff's Just Here to Party GAME THREAD

[star-crossed]

Re: TWG 209: Jeff's Just Here to Party GAME THREAD

I guess just as a point of order since this may or may not be clear to you (and you do not have to say whether it was or not), the mod offered us two game type options

1) Game with out of thread conversation and you can win special powers by winning a challenge - so nobody has powers to begin with
2) Game with in thread based discussion with mystery roles but "nothing too crazy"

The mod was under the impression we were not in favour of 1 so this game is option 2.

Sure, I can ask a couple of questions-
1) Is there anything you are confused on that has come up?
2) Do you have any initial feelings on anyone's behaviour?
3) Is there any of the players I know (Subaru, Freezin, blind, roundbox) that you would like to know more context of their style, or are you more curious of how they describe themselves?

[LastOfTheBonehicans]

Re: TWG 209: Jeff's Just Here to Party GAME THREAD

I guess just as a point of order since this may or may not be clear to you (and you do not have to say whether it was or not), the mod offered us two game type options

1) Game with out of thread conversation and you can win special powers by winning a challenge - so nobody has powers to begin with
2) Game with in thread based discussion with mystery roles but "nothing too crazy"

The mod was under the impression we were not in favour of 1 so this game is option 2.

Sure, I can ask a couple of questions-
1) Is there anything you are confused on that has come up?
2) Do you have any initial feelings on anyone's behaviour?
3) Is there any of the players I know (Subaru, Freezin, blind, roundbox) that you would like to know more context of their style, or are you more curious of how they describe themselves?

Gotcha! I had just skimmed the rule set.

As for the answers:

1. Nothing confusing. Very day 1 chat. Nothing really going on. Ive played on and off for years, but this is my first game since maybe Covid times.

2. Nothing that can lean one way or another. But first impressions are as follows.

You - seem like an active prescence here. Not afraid to drive conversation and ask questions. Probably are very well respected in this community and game, so that could be something to keep an eye on if a sketchy charge is led by you. However, says more town than wolf. You're not stirring the pot, but you aren't hiding behind false activity.

Tps - asking decent questions if this is the first they're playing here. Trying to get a vibe of the community or playstyles. Nothing shouting either way. But, also no follow up post questions. Enough to be present and point to if called out, but nothing deeper than surface level.

Subaru - hard read here. One second I am thinking sketchy and the next I think they're fine. Similar to your take, they are trying to see other sides which would either say 1. Being careful and logical or 2. Not trying to stir up trouble. I lean towards 1 right now

Lehkesis - you could make a jump that he was borderline defensive there, but it would lean towards safe. Its an easy thing to point to and say you're half. You're nitpicking trying to get a quick lynch. However, first post being that aggressive?

(Not saying they were aggressive but more so than a typical "howdy fellow town folks" you'd see)

Jinx - kind of beat around the bush on a i would never kill an inactive but we should pressure them. I tend to lean towards an inactive losing interest because they didn't get a role or something happened to them irl.

Now if someone was inactive for a phase or 2 and magically decided ok let's play this like Bobby Fischer, then yeah sketchy. Still engaged in real debate though, so nothing weird per se yet.

Freezin - active and is toeing the line between chit chat and engaged game talk. Nothing weird here.

Roundbox - similar to Freezin. Both are giving off decent vibes or at least neutral right now.

Blindreper - the only one that if I had to choose right now this second id say maybe. Posted enough to give the optics of playing, but nothing said had any substance to it. More of wait and see... time zones could play a factor and it was early game.

I think i hit everyone.

3. Just want to hear how each person would describe their style. Always interesting to see how people describe themselves.

[Lahkesis]

Re: TWG 209: Jeff's Just Here to Party GAME THREAD

Hi, I would like to debate you on why you want to know about vanilla town as opposed to town in general. In my case, I think I have spoken to my style a bit in prior messages, so if you have a more specific followup question for me you may let me know.



Haha looking forward to hearing more from you. I took roundbox's initial messages in a jovial way.

I did agree when I read this that I found bonehican's way of describing his inactives theory a bit strange...but idk how I would parse what the "intent" would be...is it considered like possible reverse psychology to come off this way first post? Or is he describing his ideas as a hypothetical scenario almost from like a 3rd person PoV...interesting.

As per roundbox, I feel that yeah I could either go 50% towards "he must be up to something with coming out in his first posts with that style," or either like you said, "he's just being jovial and trying to stir up the pot a bit to get posting rolling along" Something worth addressing as the day progresses but it feels too early right now to lay the pressure.



As for like...something to contribute otherwise...

I don't know if I've seen anyone really try to address hypothetical ideas when it comes to the possible roles out there, other than stating it's a mystery game.

As in...what kind of roles seem likely with a game consisting of 9 players, when the host themselves have said it's mostly a pure vanilla kind of game.

^Does it seem more likely that there would be two wolves or one? I cannot imagine there being more than two wolves max, and I bet theyre vanilla wolves if anything. I would think one wolf is too vulnerable. Not to mention that the host posted that there is a wolf chat rule that's always on....Given the number of players and this alone, I'm somewhat convinced that there are a total of 2 wolves.

If there's 2 wolves then I'm guessing there is but one blue role floating out there somewhere. That's why there won't be any claim bc who would protect them.

In terms of blue roles, I'm guessing it's either a guard or a seer...but I'm leaning towards a guardian. A seer seems perfectly possible, but I feel like this would cause the game to advance too quick rather than leave us in the dark....too many questions would be solved way too quick with a seer imo...

Unless the possible blue roll is something out of mafia that is more obscure I don't know.

I'll be back with more soon when Im back at my pc.

[roundbox]

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I am surprised you blanked Freezin who is sucking up to you right now

I did give him a tiny shoutout, but iunno how else to react to Freezin making declarations for his own game
regrettably I wasn't interacting in real time(TM), but now that everyone has tossed in their 2c, this game is for real

On the other hand it might be beneficial to leave things as vague as possible until at least after n1, just to take the temperature of things before gunning for anything in particular.

knowing raeko, when the OP says "very basic game", it probably has roles a beginner to TWG would know, so I would assume there's no secret chat mechanics or things like that outside of the traditional wolf chat

I think the last game raeko modded might have been her one with roundbox (Survivor: Newfoundland, which did not have special roles, and was a lot like what the other plan was for this game.) So he might have more insight than others on what she might think is not crazy, but I do not know what he will want to share with everybody.

Survivor: Newfoundland had immunity and reward challenges that gave bonuses and powers, and it doesn't seem like any of those gimmicks are present here
I still say we throw an art contest, but I can't decide on a theme. I say someone who has played less than 5 games on FFR should pick the theme.

Anyway, seeing how this is my first game with all of you (well many of you)... when given the normal vanilla townie tag, how do all of you traditionally act?

speak freely, mostly
I feel a bit more reserved as a wolf and that I need to find a specific point to argue about to post, but I'm more likely to be more casual as a townie. if I'm being mad formal, I might be a wolf tbh
my posts take just a little longer as a wolf since I have to double check I didn't contradict a read I made earlier

1. I'm just getting the chance to get caught up with the thread, but I guess I'll start with this just by asking roundbox what they meant with "looking at that other thread." Like wut other thread? lol

2. Also can I be honest to say that roundbox having such a direct day 1 meta break down their very first post kind of put me up in ???

For example Roundbox saying "I reFUUUUSE to be wolf read this game," made it sound a bit more like "Hey I'm not the baddie this game, I swear!" Followed by the next post giving the Day1 inactives a free pass as though to almost say "Let's keep the sheep alive as longgg as possible TILL I SAY OTHERWISE."

3. Also why me for a first vote right away out of everyone else? Pretty sure there are more inactives....and also is it not custom for at least one wolf to be announcingly active for the early first pages in the game to at least get their "leg in the door" or what have you.

1. it was a play on your username

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lachesis

Lachesis, in ancient Greek religion, was the middle of the Three Fates; the others were her sisters, Clotho and Atropos. Lachesis is the measurer of the thread spun on Clotho's spindle, and in some texts, determines Destiny, or thread of life.

2. ideally, we wouldn't have inactives. it's more of a policy thing for me than anything. Definitely not a rule by any means.
I'm not trying to be thread leader by telling people when not to vote inactives, I just think moves like that are misguided. People can vote however they want; it's their only power.
What do you mean when you say "sheep"? Not a term I'm familiar with.
but yeah, I don't care if I'm wolf read this game. I was just being clowny, full stop

3. it was because I could make my joke in #1

gonna go get some food

blindreper hello

[roundbox]

Re: TWG 209: Jeff's Just Here to Party GAME THREAD

I agree with Lakhesis's analysis of the setup. I think that's the most likely (2 wolves, 1 blue). But yeah, something simple like Doctor/Guardian or Seer/Cop. I don't know what terms everyone uses, but yeah, there you go

[roundbox]

Re: TWG 209: Jeff's Just Here to Party GAME THREAD

I will probably misspell Lahkesis's name a gazillion times
sorru

[SubaruPoptart]

Re: TWG 209: Jeff's Just Here to Party GAME THREAD

Apologies for dippin last night, got home from work and spent all my remaining brainpower gettin stuck in BB Code hell for my post to TPS.

My general observations before going to bed was trying to keep track of RB/Star/Freezin's inactive discussions, and quite frankly I did not get much; gonna have to retread those.

That being said after Lahke and Bonehican came in and after wakin up reading through Page 4, I did entirely forget that Blind is still in the game I'm not even going to lie. I like both of Bone's and Lahke's contributions thus far, getting used to this version of the game and askin real good questions. It's also making me feel even better about Star than I already was. I've got a real bad track record of trusting the wrong person (e.g. the last turbo on here) but I Swear Man This Time For Sure.

To Bone I unfortunately cannot fully describe my "style" that I generally use, I try to shake it up as much as I can between games but it generally comes out the same. Pretty much every game I've played before this I ended up gettin too anxious and becoming inactive myself, comin back with big posts that say absolutely nothin. Tryna fix that this game but I don't really have a solid plan to do so cuz it kinda happened again last night

[SubaruPoptart]

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I had described the Star/Freezin/RB discussion as a "mindmeld" to myself last night but I'm retreading cuz I don't know how accurate that is

[Tps222]

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I'm catching up and will reply to people who responded to me, should be active through end of the day.

[star-crossed]

Re: TWG 209: Jeff's Just Here to Party GAME THREAD

Bone-

So funny story...I am unsure on respect per se but I do think in this community I have had a pretty unique track record. I have never been voted out as a town player here and I was actually voted off day 0 the only time I was ever a wolf, so they actually have a perfect track record on sorting me out to date. (I have been a wolf in real time formats plenty to be fair, and I am leaving out TWG 200 where my slot had been voted out already and was dead and then sun fan had me replace in as an already dead wolf in what was kind of a fake game...) I think I tend not to get as much pressure as others here, and so in that wolf game it was a combination of responding poorly to pressure due to inexperience with it on top of whatever uncanny valley was coming from my first time jitters. It would be nice for RNGesus to give me a chance to redeem myself here at some stage! I do not even know if other people are even aware this pattern is as severe as it is.

TPS I was saying is vintage because I saw in the history thread he had played in TWG #4, and is now playing TWG #209. Legendary stuff

On Role spec-
The person who mods games here the most here does not like protective roles much so I feel like we do not actually have them that much compared to other sites? Unless the wolves have counters to it. but raeko's preferences could be different.

[SubaruPoptart]

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I appreciate the dedication to the bit




There's some nuance here that I feel needs to be said. While I've come around from the old days where I just wanted to wholesale toss inactives out early, I feel there needs to be some pressure or threat to draw some of them in.

Yes there are people who are genuinely afk for one reason or another and nothing will change that, but I feel the threat of accumulating votes is needed to keep low activity players who arnt helping solve the game in line, or give them something to respond to (people who don't feel like they have anything to say can usually at least respond defensively to a direct attack or vote). If you take that off the table you could potentially have a bunch of people just not do anything, the high post high effort players cannibalize themselves and it just becomes a dead game where wolves coasting to victory or dying becomes more of a matter of luck. It's a balancing act to maintain, I feel like you also understand this and it will be interesting to see how you put this principle into practice, I will definitely be bringing it up when if or when its relevant come eod.




I multi quoted this, but this feeds back into the previous post. I guess I'll add a few more of my thoughts. If you gave me a gun and told me to shoot anyone alive right now, I think I would never hit someone with 0 posts. Someone who is inactive can always come back, but killing someone freezes their content and people's reactions to it. Even if it feels bad to do like I was saying before, I think you go after people you are either suspicious of or have a lot of interactions with. The trap is it feels like a "waste" to kill someone who is active when inactives are standing right beside them, but the worst case for game health is locking in a kill on a 0 content player and losing a chance to make a kill that can lead to connections and possibly a wolf kill later even if it ends up being a miss. The voting process is also a trove of information that gets wasted when people just park votes on inactives where they don't have to defend their votes because it's seen as "common sense."

I guess I'm still trying to come to grips with where i stand on it atm in a stream of consciousness style. I think I'm mostly on the side of Roundbox in this one.




Just a reiteration of what he said before, I think Roundbox is also trying to find the correct nuance on how to approach this issue. There needs to be some pressure, but it can't be a free ticket for people to just coast on d0 and not have to think or defend their choice of vote.

Cuz after this post is where I had the impression of the "mindmeld"

Star's got a point about not pressuring inactives (and freezin too), so I'll put my money where my mind is and vote it up

This is prolly where I got Star from in the initial observation

I think you are partly joking but I do think it is better to pretend to consider voting for the inactives for the bit that they do read, to strike a healthy amount of fear into them.

less shitposty stance:

I think voting for inactives to drive activity is good, but voting them for elimination because they are purely inactive seems like a waste of vote
I just have seen one to many games where the most inactive player is voted out d1 to little fanfare and movement

I say go big or go home

And this is what I'm assuming rb's referring to in that first one. I feel like I agree with Freezin's paragraph the most, but I've realized I've got too many people in my "I trust you" camp; it's happenin again.

I like Bone and Lahke's resurgences, and I generally feel good about my perceived trio of RB/Star/Freezin, but that's like 5 of the 9 people in here, there's no way it narrows down that nicely. I'm fallin into the "oh inactives aren't here I'm sus of them cuz they're not here" mentality and I kinda don't wanna.

Jinx is the only person who's posted that I'm still not really confident on; not just cuz I don't know em. They've made good effort which makes me wanna feel good about em but that'd then make 6 of the 9 people in the game "chillin" to me. I'm also real curious to see what TPS has to say since I did see they're catchin up too

[SubaruPoptart]

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Jinx is the only person who's posted that I'm still not really confident on; not just cuz I don't know em.

Oh with that last part I think I phrased it wrong: I'm not feeling confident but it's not because I don't know them might've been a better way to put that.

[SubaruPoptart]

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With that all being said as well the only person I'd be fine keeping in my "sus of them cuz they're not here" mentality is Blind, I don't know if I've ever actually played a game with him. Giving him the credit of he's busy and such but I don't know how strong that is at this point

[LastOfTheBonehicans]

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I think thats all fair. Day 1 is always tough because there isn't a ton to read off of.

My gut tells me look at whose active for the sake of active. No real insight is added but they can say "look i participated."

Now totally get its a Saturday and people have lives. But I feel like there have been posts that are here for the sake of keeping the username fresh in our minds.

Again you all would know more if that is out of the ordinary for some of these fine folks, but right now I am leaning blindreper or tps

Tps is getting my vote right now because they asked, what I felt were good questions. Then poof and when they did come back it was "I'll answer later"

With nothing much to go off of, my read there is:

1. You are asking questions and playing, but then fading back. Most aren't going to bat an eye at it, but if im playing wolf, I want to be active enough to say I am here but not enough to put a target on my back.

2. The posts of, will read later catch up soon, it just seems like activity for activities sake. Another reason for your username to show up and make people think at first glance "you're here"

I, also, feel like in a 2 wolf game, there will be one driver of conversation and another that's just there to prevent overlap or accusations of collusion.

That is my very little evidence day 1 vote and the logic behind it.

Now pick it apart!!! Lol

[Tps222]

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I swear I've seen Tps, Lahke, and Bonehican's names before but I can't quite remember when/where/why, that's prolly on me LMAO.

Curious to know if y'all also play other Mafia sites cuz I'm pretty self-contained to FFR, and even then I really only dip into TWG every now and then.

Hi! I used to play TWG here a bunch a long time ago, so maybe we intersected somewhere along the way. I'm selfishly a little glad that this format seems to be more of a classic style as that helps.

Otherwise, there's not much to catch up on. It's just d0 stupid banter and randomly landing on someone to vote out
It's the good ole arbitrarium

The best way, there should be so much good info to mine from the chaos near the end of the voting day.

I am not sure if I know exactly what you mean by metas. Mystery mostly means that we don't have any public info on what the roles are. Since raeko said there is nothing crazy, it is more likely that there are two mafia and the rest town, and a lack of unusual roles or mechanics.

Some mystery games we have done kind of recently are:
.

Yeah by metas I meant more like role configurations or what's considered stripped down in modern TWG. This list was super helpful, thanks!

Anyway, seeing how this is my first game with all of you (well many of you)... when given the normal vanilla townie tag, how do all of you traditionally act?

Traditionally I used to make outlandish claims or irrational votes just to provoke reactions to gather data over time to compare against, but then it lead to me getting voted out of a lot of D1s, so I had to curb it eventually lol.

Now I'm just more interested in seeing how people react when either the votes begin to pile on in rapid succession or when time is running out near the end of the day.