TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

I think we should vote outside of you two and let PRs decide what to do about your slots if the flip indirectly help them solve you two.

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

Hatred, Ithink you need to reread your posts again, you actually make no sense in a way that i think even you would understand upon reread.

Some of your posts use info learned later to criticize my posts from before than info was known

I appreciate that you are actually trying to fight now but your points never catch an actual wolf.

No wolf behaves like that, if i was a wolf here i would never publicly tie my fate to yours, advise you to fight back then mire myself in this situation. I would say almost nothing and definitely would be keeping my options open.

You are attacking the ideal of a wolf, not trying to find a wolf yourself and while i am also guilty of that to a degree, at the moment i feel like what i am taking offense to isnt too far from a possible flawed defense of a wolf so im willing to go out on a limb for it

[Hateandhatred]

Re: TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

What are these points you are referring to? Points about what? All ive seen happen is im calling you out for your quite frankly bizzare attitude and recieving some assurances that you know what your doing and if you die youll vomit up a reads list and this will somehow make everything ok

Someone will 100% die today. Nobody wants to, least of all the wolves because there's only 2 of them. Wanna call my bluff? sure, but again, I can't prove my towniness to anyone and no one can prove theirs to me. I can try to see who's best trying to win the game, but other than that, it's going to be a game of who screams and kicks the loudest? If people zone in on a townie in d0, what exactly do you want them to do? "it's not me, I swear"? I'm not gonna do that, it's completely pointless, yet you're extremely hung over that fact. I am trying to play the game though, but you're saying I'm basically leaving it all to everyone else, despite the fact that I've been very actively playing. And you're not addressing ANY of this. Of course I know my value as a living town, but proving that I'm not a valid target solely rests on me finding the better target (or answering things if people want, which I have been doing, but there's not much to go one because it's fucking d0).

Let me make this as clear as i can for you so that there is no room for misunderstanding: i am not going to risk believing that anyone who says its ok for someone they know for a fact is human (aka themselves) to die is actually human. It is possible that your are human, but the chance of you being a wolf is high enough that i will not find a better case anywhere d1 and i would be a fool to vote elsewhere

I will vote you here, thunderdome and win if neccessary because in a situation where i have no info, i play the percents

But here, you actually follow my own logic, so lol?

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

I think we should vote outside of you two and let PRs decide what to do about your slots if the flip indirectly help them solve you two.

Stop making sense I want a thunderdome

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

I'll move to Shadow_God_10.

He has a decent amount of parity with Raeko/Storn. I prefer those odds to be investigated.

Not saying wolf, but this is definitely a space that should be more explored while I'm not around tomorrow.

Stop making sense I want a thunderdome

Just do it next phase after a bunch of night actions happen. I want more content, but I think we have enough for you two.

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

Someone will 100% die today. Nobody wants to, least of all the wolves because there's only 2 of them. Wanna call my bluff? sure, but again, I can't prove my towniness to anyone and no one can prove theirs to me. I can try to see who's best trying to win the game, but other than that, it's going to be a game of who screams and kicks the loudest? If people zone in on a townie in d0, what exactly do you want them to do? "it's not me, I swear"? I'm not gonna do that, it's completely pointless, yet you're extremely hung over that fact. I am trying to play the game though, but you're saying I'm basically leaving it all to everyone else, despite the fact that I've been very actively playing. And you're not addressing ANY of this. Of course I know my value as a living town, but proving that I'm not a valid target solely rests on me finding the better target (or answering things if people want, which I have been doing, but there's not much to go one because it's fucking d0).




But here, you actually follow my own logic, so lol?

Let me ask you a simple question, would all this have come out if i hadnt put the screws to you?

Do you think its better for the game in general for you to ploddle through the game unchallenged? Let us fight it out, let info spill out everywhere messily, then let other people draw their own conclusions. Like me or hate me im giving humans what they need: information. Even if i knew you were human for a fact i would still mostly do the same thing.

If people look at what you believe and your behavior and still think you are human, thats perfectly fine. Ive strengthened your position in the game which is good if your human. If they believe you are a wolf then we have a clear direction for a lynch. I win no matter the outcome here.

[Hateandhatred]

Re: TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

Hatred, Ithink you need to reread your posts again, you actually make no sense in a way that i think even you would understand upon reread.

Some of your posts use info learned later to criticize my posts from before than info was known

I appreciate that you are actually trying to fight now but your points never catch an actual wolf.

Look, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and carefully reread this entire conversation, but I'll do that tomorrow. I really don't think my logic isn't sound though, but maybe I didn't communicate it well. I also think my attacks on you are entirely justified here, and again, it's not like I wasn't doing it before, lol.

No wolf behaves like that, if i was a wolf here i would never publicly tie my fate to yours, advise you to fight back then mire myself in this situation. I would say almost nothing and definitely would be keeping my options open.

You literally said:

Like im 100% town here and im still having a very easy time seeing myself voting for you at eod and facing no consequences and feeling fine even if you flip town because as of right now im not convinced having someone with the survival skills of a opossum as town is worth the risk of you just possibly being a wolf.

How would you be tying your fate to mine if this is actually how you feel about it?

You are attacking the ideal of a wolf, not trying to find a wolf yourself and while i am also guilty of that to a degree, at the moment i feel like what i am taking offense to isnt too far from a possible flawed defense of a wolf so im willing to go out on a limb for it

I think you are backpedalling an immense amount right now

I think we should vote outside of you two and let PRs decide what to do about your slots if the flip indirectly help them solve you two.

Actually I think this is a decent strategy, but I would rather hear what the rest of the playerbase think of our interaction first.

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

Well no point in staying on you now that ive tipped my hand

shadow god

Haku dont call this a sheep when i sus'd him first

[Hateandhatred]

Re: TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

Let me ask you a simple question, would all this have come out if i hadnt put the screws to you?

Why do you think I'm not trying to make myself look too townie when there's voting pressure against me? I obviously want situations like this to happen, I even invited people to do it when I first addressed the votes I got.

Do you think its better for the game in general for you to ploddle through the game unchallenged? Let us fight it out, let info spill out everywhere messily, then let other people draw their own conclusions. Like me or hate me im giving humans what they need: information. Even if i knew you were human for a fact i would still mostly do the same thing.

If people look at what you believe and your behavior and still think you are human, thats perfectly fine. Ive strengthened your position in the game which is good if your human. If they believe you are a wolf then we have a clear direction for a lynch. I win no matter the outcome here.

I don't think I'm moving from you today.

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

I think you are backpedalling an immense amount right now

Correct. I wanted you to squirm, and spill your guys a bit and now that i got what i wanted im walking it back

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

I don't think I'm moving from you today.

Dont be dumb and park your vote. I dont actually care if you vote me but if you waste your vote on me just to have a place to dump your vote and dont interact with whatever the wagons are i will sus you for real

If i end up being a wagon then ignore this

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

You have a lot to learn about what actually makes people wolfy or human

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

Well no point in staying on you now that ive tipped my hand

shadow god

Haku dont call this a sheep when i sus'd him first

I can't find the post where you did that. I just see a storn post which is also fine based on iso tbh.

[Hateandhatred]

Re: TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

Let me ask you a simple question, would all this have come out if i hadnt put the screws to you?

also I already said all of this dude, this is what I meant by "you're not addressing what I said. This has been my logic since you called me out and only now you're pretending I've never said it before.

They can talk their way out of any situation, also a fundamental of the game, and again, someone is going to be lynched no matter what, but because of D0, it's extremely difficult to apply an actual reasoning onto who should go or who shouldn't, and "whoever is least defensive about survivability" isn't a good way to determine a target. Knowing that, of course I'm going to try to be strategic about it for the good of my alignment, lol. It's a long shot, granted, but it's what I've got. I wouldn't feel this way if I felt strongly about anything in particular myself, I do what I can and I'm sorry if you doing like it.

Still virtually a full day left. There isn't any urgency and I'm not about to be insta'd. I am obviously playing the game despite not trying to tell other people to vote off my ass. I understand your criticis, but I believe my approach is in good faith, if only off meta.

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

I can't find the post where you did that. I just see a storn post which is also fine based on iso tbh.

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