TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

funny that the thing you want me to address was what i made a post about

id be ok with it but i would prefer sunfan/yoshi first

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

So let's say you're town for a second here

To me, what you're saying is you'd rather just lie down and die

That's basically throwing the game

????????

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

my last post partially covered this but you feel kind of fake and not invested. And i think you deserve scrutiny and pressure because while youve gotten some of the former i dont think youve gotten any of the later and i want to see you squirm

plop

time to be the change i want to see

I'm not killing plop today
he can be a wolf, but his solving has been the best out of anyone's today, I'd say (potentially beaten by DBP)

I guess that;s what DBP's early activity was for; he knew he wouldn't be here at EOD so this is what we got

maybe im getting too heated here

Freezin moves his vote to Subaru after sunfan, HIS TOP WOLF, suggests that Plop isn't on the table.

"maybe im getting too heated here"
I think I mentioned this before but this reads like a breadcrumb to copout of a Plop lynch in case it actually gains momentum.

[Shadow_God_10]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

????????

I guess I was reading what you were saying incorrectly.

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

Freezin moves his vote to Subaru after sunfan, HIS TOP WOLF, suggests that Plop isn't on the table.

"maybe im getting too heated here"
I think I mentioned this before but this reads like a breadcrumb to copout of a Plop lynch in case it actually gains momentum.

really had nothing to do with sunfan. I dont think i even noticed what sunfan said

i was just trying to create pressure on plop for reactions and was out for his blood for what felt at the time like the wrong reason

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

Unless I'm reading what you're saying incorrectly

to clarify what i meant since i feel like i left u in the cold with a bunch of ???s:

i dont feel like its worth getting bogged down explaining every little thing that someone finds in their progressions thru my posts even if it makes me look bad. Unless its a direct point they feel is important enough that they ask me in real time or its something so egregious it bears immediate correction.

ive tried fighting that battle and not only is it tiring as fuck but its largely pointless

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

like i corrected plop on his incorrect read on me yesterday in his big post.

i felt like that was actually a big thing worth bringing up and it still didnt make any difference cause he just doubled down.

plenty of other examples going back, not just that one.

Iono if everyone plays like that but i feel like its a natural progression of me as a TWG player and a lesson that was not that easy to learn

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

plop megapost comments:



I don't like these reasons. First off, being cautious of me shouldn't be a read to mindmeld off of
Second off, ule lynch yielding no info and discussing role mechanics has been talked about already and isn't a read to mindmeld off of
Noticing people looking past freezin is also not a read to mindmeld off of.

more or less, those aren't opinions.



If you're still caught up on me being annoyed at sunfan, it's purely because the *ONLY* argument that's been cast by him is "oop he's not POE, and he can do this as a wolf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and like, even from reviewing thread, still hasn't pushed forwards anything. you're pushing a narrative where i'm upset at "hey you should examine yoshl as scum", where it's more of "yoshl can do this as scum so therefore be careful!!!1!!"
I don't really understand your xiz point, and yes, Haku making a fuckton of posts in thread that are one liners really doesn't influence me in the slightest, because the quality of the thoughts doesn't cut it.

I think the worst points of plop's post is generally putting way too much faith in meta. Like call me out all you want, but "this person flip flops their reads all the time as town" is not a valid reason for me to say "yeah sure he's town", disregarding actual game info. Haku's actual post history still is pretty firmly wolfy to me - it's actually not hard to sit in thread and throw out a bunch of worlds that don't include you because you know they're wrong, and keep the narrative away from you. It looks more like you're still sitting on earlier game info if you think that soley a commentary post in d0 is the cornerstone of my reads.


[moves on to other shit]

Part 2 of YoshL's megapost.

Three strikes and you're out, buddy. You've invested all this time, all this effort into responding to Plopadop's megapost-- specifically, where he calls you out-- and even though you seem to disagree with almost everything he says, there's no semblance of an actual read on Plopadop himself here. Why does this keep happening?

The rest of your megapost has --actual reads-- in it, but for some fucking reason the literal first half of the post has nothing in the way of actual reads towards the person you're supposedly directly responding to.

It's because it's a fucking performance. Plop needed to create SOME tension between the two of you, and, naturally, you needed to respond to it. But here's the thing, and it's a thing I think wolves fall for a lot when theatering in thread...

If you create "conflict" between yourself and a wolf partner, you will have a natural tendency to resolve that "conflict" in a neat, tidy way, with a sparkly bow on top. Ah, Plop had a scum read on me? My response will completely sate him, or at least get him to stop talking about me. That sense of lingering doubt and tension will dissipate, and then we can both move on to other topics.

But this isn't how townies usually operate.

There is almost never any complete conflict resolution between townies and wolves in TWG. If I have a scumread on you, and you respond to it, even if it's pretty convincing, I'm not gonna just "drop" it. I'll still feel that insecurity, that "what if". I'll probably bring your name up later, or I might even continue the conversation then and there.

You're not gonna feel comfortable as town, so when I see that your interactions with Plop seem to try to emulate that feeling of "initial conflict->resolution", I'm gonna really ask myself if you're totally satisfied with that resolution. Townies rarely are, or at the very least, it takes time to change your perspective on another person. If you respond to a post, don't add anything of your own to the conflict, I dunno, maybe to actually probe about Plop's alignment? It's gonna look like theatrical denouement.

And that theatrical denouement is exactly what I keep seeing with you and Plop's interactions.

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

really had nothing to do with sunfan. I dont think i even noticed what sunfan said

i was just trying to create pressure on plop for reactions and was out for his blood for what felt at the time like the wrong reason

did it bother you that sunfan also didn't want plop on the table? that should reinforce the notion that sunfan and plop are on a team, right? why did you decide to settle on Subaru instead, knowing that sunfan had him in his sights?

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

to clarify what i meant since i feel like i left u in the cold with a bunch of ???s:

i dont feel like its worth getting bogged down explaining every little thing that someone finds in their progressions thru my posts even if it makes me look bad. Unless its a direct point they feel is important enough that they ask me in real time or its something so egregious it bears immediate correction.

ive tried fighting that battle and not only is it tiring as fuck but its largely pointless

I can understand this. My 6-hour (jesus christ) thread rampage probably feels like gish-galloping, in the sense that I've literally thrown dozens of arguments into the thread at once. I'm not gonna force you to refute all of them. I will, however, force you to directly confront certain allegations when the time comes.

If you want something concrete to latch on to, you can focus on selling me on sunfan being a wolf, and also more detail on why he takes precedence over Plop this phase.

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

did it bother you that sunfan also didn't want plop on the table? that should reinforce the notion that sunfan and plop are on a team, right? why did you decide to settle on Subaru instead, knowing that sunfan had him in his sights?

at the time that was happening i didnt notice that sunfan had his vote on subaru. I just remember feeling completely cold on plop at about 15m till eod and circled back to subaru.

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

im definitely not the type of person who puts stock on interactions and posturing before the vote unless im specifically baiting for it because (probably erroneously) it defaults in my mind to "Oh thats just theatre or they have their own plan"

its usually during wagon analysis that i pick that stuff up

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

Votecount:
fatfuck42 (3) - TWGma, FreezinIce, SubaruPoptart
TWGma (3) - DaBackpack, fatfuck42, the sun fan
the sun fan (2) - YoshL, Hakulyte
SubaruPoptart (1) - Shadow_God_10


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Not Voting (1): mellonxcollie

Today's theme:

I keep forgetting this, but there was a time when Plop was actually in danger of dying yesterday. When I'm awake tomorrow (...today...) I might do a bigger dive to see what exactly "saved" him.

For reference:

D1 final votecount:

SubaruPoptart (6) - Shadow_God_10, FreezinIce, TWGma, DaBackpack, Hakulyte, the sun fan
TWGma (3) - fatfuck42, YoshL, SubaruPoptart
fatfuck42 (1) - mellonxcollie

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

im definitely not the type of person who puts stock on interactions and posturing before the vote unless im specifically baiting for it because (probably erroneously) it defaults in my mind to "Oh thats just theatre or they have their own plan"

its usually during wagon analysis that i pick that stuff up

Sure, but when I'm rereading the thread and notice specifically weird interactions I'm gonna point them out.

Especially if it's the same weird interaction three fucking times across 72 hours

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

I can understand this. My 6-hour (jesus christ) thread rampage probably feels like gish-galloping, in the sense that I've literally thrown dozens of arguments into the thread at once. I'm not gonna force you to refute all of them. I will, however, force you to directly confront certain allegations when the time comes.

If you want something concrete to latch on to, you can focus on selling me on sunfan being a wolf, and also more detail on why he takes precedence over Plop this phase.

well the biggest reason i want sunfan dead before plop is the one i already mention. I realize that only makes sense from my point of view though and im not sure how i could explain it better than what i did.

they are both wolves so i dont really care which order they die in, just i feel like i have a bigger chance being wrong on plop than sunfan