Defeating some old SM curses

[dAnceguy117]

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It (gigadelic) seems simultaneously possible yet preposterously difficult. reach is a genius tbh

[FirstMaple8]

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gz

[DossarLX ODI]

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Incredible scores.

Minijack is MFC'able btw

In White Flag, I think the minijack in that chart is a 192nd minijack.

85 BPM 192nd = 255 BPM 64th = 14.7 milliseconds in between the two notes

If the marvelous window of Stepmania is 22.5 ms (for both sides), that's 45 ms total window which is roughly 1/3 the speed of that. So someone would need to do something like a 340 BPM 16th minijack on scraping the very outer edges of the marvelous window to do it. I don't see that being feasible unless you have a key that allows you to overlay the two hits with two fingers.

[EtienneSM]

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I flam two fingers on my one hand in order to MFC it. I've gotten close doing it traditionally but I did get it a few times on stream with my method. It's done on a normal keyboard too. I'm not using any special/bigger key to do so.

[mi40]

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excuse me

[XelNya]

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I flam two fingers on my one hand in order to MFC it. I've gotten close doing it traditionally but I did get it a few times on stream with my method. It's done on a normal keyboard too. I'm not using any special/bigger key to do so.

Not calling bs, I'm not good enough at the game to even comment on that, but I'd love to see this explained in a video with a shot of it being done linked, just because it'd be fun to see if it could be replicated from others seeing it.

[mi40]

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Not calling bs, I'm not good enough at the game to even comment on that, but I'd love to see this explained in a video with a shot of it being done linked, just because it'd be fun to see if it could be replicated from others seeing it.

you just roll two fingers onto 1 key, kind of like hitting a colored jump on ffr that's 1 frame apart, except you do it onto one key

[choof]

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Not calling bs, I'm not good enough at the game to even comment on that, but I'd love to see this explained in a video with a shot of it being done linked, just because it'd be fun to see if it could be replicated from others seeing it.

using two fingers on one key, doubling input
not clasically legit imo

[EtienneSM]

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using two fingers on one key, doubling input
not clasically legit imo

It's just frowned upon at worst, since I'm not utilizing extra keys or special equipment. Especially in the context of an objectively dumb section in a file that's virtually not viable/remotely consistent otherwise.

Once I start playing actively again, I'll maybe give some attempts on it again. It's definitely doable.

[mi40]

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It's just frowned upon at worst, since I'm not utilizing extra keys or special equipment. Especially in the context of an objectively dumb section in a file that's virtually not viable/remotely consistent otherwise.

Once I start playing actively again, I'll maybe give some attempts on it again. It's definitely doable.

yeah nobody should give you flak for doing that for white flag
i mean there are no other keys in use here and you're just using your fingers as intended, i remember when people called spread cheating!

[choof]

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It's just frowned upon at worst, since I'm not utilizing extra keys or special equipment. Especially in the context of an objectively dumb section in a file that's virtually not viable/remotely consistent otherwise.

Once I start playing actively again, I'll maybe give some attempts on it again. It's definitely doable.

hence the classically bit, it probably is arguable that this is the only way to "hit it as intended"

[Dynam0]

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I've always been vocal about calling out mirrored scores as inequivalent and the like but meh, this seems fine.

I can remember someone playing jackhammer madness by trilling the jacks on one key as a proof of concept. I tried it myself but couldn't figure it out lol

I'd say this is a rare situation where the technique is useful. It's not like double-setup which itself seems ludicrous to practice but imagine what you could do if you mastered using it.

[EtienneSM]

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I've always been vocal about calling out mirrored scores as inequivalent and the like but meh, this seems fine.

I can remember someone playing jackhammer madness by trilling the jacks on one key as a proof of concept. I tried it myself but couldn't figure it out lol

I'd say this is a rare situation where the technique is useful. It's not like double-setup which itself seems ludicrous to practice but imagine what you could do if you mastered using it.

Mirror just changes hand bias, which really isn't an inherently bad thing. Files where it's that drastic that it helps to mirror a file from a physical standpoint traditionally aren't that good of files to begin with anyways (or at least the section itself sucks to an extent). As someone who was too stubborn to use mirror for the longest time up until like 2018/2019, I realized how many files I had mindblocked and it just made everything more fair for me since I was playing to my actual ability lmao.

Unless you mindblock both like me, then you're fucced.

Same goes for trilling long jacks on two fingers. Virtually every quality file wouldn't even have such jacks to begin with so the debate normally doesn't even exist, but in the case of something like Angelic Layer, you *should* have that option imo. It's just a matter of player integrity at that point and you won't develop good long jack fundamentals for other files anyways, so it punishes what it needs to for the most part.

As long as you're staying within the boundaries of a normal keyboard with four keys only, there's not really anything that constitutes as cheating from a technical standpoint. It's just incredibly cheesy and reduces your development for better fundamentals.

And yeah, I've MFC'd a few jacks in Jackhammer madness using the start. If my left hand could do it as well as my right, I could probably SDP the entire thing tbh.

[TC_Halogen]

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Not calling bs, I'm not good enough at the game to even comment on that, but I'd love to see this explained in a video with a shot of it being done linked, just because it'd be fun to see if it could be replicated from others seeing it.

Literally everyone who has a Crowdpleaser FC that didn't use double setup does this, just for what it's worth. It's essentially a 9-note 250 BPM 16th split-handed jumptrill in that case.

You basically double up on the inputs on each key so that you're able to do twice as many inputs with half as much strain.

Doing it in White Flag is impressive because you've basically gotta buffer the first input slightly early to not only get a marv, but also to not be victimized by debouncing/input polling.

[sertman]

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that BtE score is unbelievable. like i know i've been gone for over a decade but i cant believe how good people have gotten. jesus

also as long as people are using the same four keys idk what the issue is