TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

[TWG Agent S]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

Reading Punchy's long posts made me switch to go Phil -> Fauna -> X as my lynch priority.

I've had Phil in the looking glass for a bit, on the impression that if there's a deep wolf, it's more in favor of Phil covering that slot. I get the similar impression from Punchy in their long posts that there was a level of associated coasting in d2. And while d3 (Maple lynch) was not covered, memory serves that momentum carried into the first half of d3.

Not my top lynch but reassuring that it's not just me with outlandish thoughts.

Punchy iso of Apollo actions d0-d2 reaffirms what I had previously considered on their contributions; Content, but questions left open-ended and never amounting to anything, and topic statements that don't amount to much more than acknowledging it.

[TWG Cherry]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

Reading Punchy's long posts made me switch to go Phil -> Fauna -> X as my lynch priority.

why Phil as your top priority what what

[TWG Flurry]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

btw, the "bus" from bussing is terminology that wolves normally use to say that they need to let one of their partners take the fall to survive and win the game.

So, by saying that wolves would bus me, it kinds of implies that you're telling the entire thread you're a wolf. Also, by mentioning town right after it, it felt like you were separating the 2 groups making the reading even more suspicious.

If you didn't have a comma with the "and" in that sentence, I feel like I would have been forced to vote you here.

[TWG Agent S]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

Crazy thought but

Phil/Fauna/Apollo/Zucker

gut wolf team

There's some tension between Fauna & Phil so take it with a grain of salt.

[TWG Flurry]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

why Phil as your top priority what what

I could game around and say that he potentially knew who Chief was all along and still pushed for his lynch only to later on be like "oh, that was X".

I could say that his "Zucker" vote was forced because Del claimed and Chief didn't seems to be likely to happen.

I feel like he could have played the Maple lynch phase very differently.

He seems fairly convinced that Maple was town, but when it came to votes, that felt pretty disorganized.

I'm not saying that he's responsible of everyone's votes, but it felt a bit complacent to me.

There's so much value to be gained if he flips wolf here tbh.

Asking the blocker to claim also feels absolutely ridiculous from him imo knowing the value of the blocker in this setup.

I just feel like it would explain so much to this game.

Yes, he made a big post, but he's good enough to do that as both alignments.

[TWG Punchy]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

Enjoy something that sucked energy out of my life over the past 16 hours
I did not put lots of comments on the Chrissy/Cole slot because I knew they had some stuff today that I can work with.

To sum up some of the major points, here's where I'm standing after my reread and not reading too many of today's posts:

Big Towns
Julian (duh)

Boomer (duh)

Flurry (Looking back, I think her intentions for voting have been genuine. There have been a few moments that have made me turn my head, like the thunderdome thing, but if you look at how they handled the Molly/Chief debate, I think it really shows them thinking about the game instead of taking the easy path. They're always probing other players for their opinions. Sometimes they'er slow to drop their opinions, but it's never a regurgitation of what someone else said. See her ISO on Rolf for an idea of what I'm saying. I don't think that ISO was particularly good, but it's at least showing that Flurry is expending effort to make reads and connections. Their methods are goofy, but it appears that their intentions are pure.)

Cherry (Below Flurry now. Cherry's D0 was lackluster, and their D1 was really their moment of shining. They took charge on a few ISOs regarding Tank, and I believe them going to the idea that they hit a vested wolf first is a good look. Check my D1 post on this one as they continue to run with the idea that Dora is the vest wolf and not possibly the acq with a vest. There is a batshit crazy theory that if Tank=Wolf then Cherry could be a partner as they were the first to dive in, but I think there's a bigger option here.)

Town Leans
Phil (Trended down. Aside from the really cool reread, there are some parts of these first few phases that don't feel like they're doing too much. He had a strong D0, but days 1 and 2 had some parts that I didn't like. Most of this was focused around him trying to discover meta around people and let that carry him across the game. Most of me wants to say he dropped the "just lynch the inactives" mindset when it didn't work for D2 and that spurned him to do the reread.)

Rolf (I want to say Rolf is a very slight town. I was aiming to have 0 nulls on my list, and this is a product of that. Their presence has been very understated. As Phil said, if Rolf had partners, they've been doing a great job of ignoring Rolf during these early day phases. Agent S and Tank had some interactions with Rolf that didn't seem like wolf theatre (overly aggressive or softball q&a). He's the only one that I don't have for D2, but I don't know, I'm just not feeling it from his posts that he's a wolf and doing shady shit. He flipped his read on Del based on new evidence, he's making townreads of Julian without sounding overly pocketing. Probably my worst read, but I'd just call him the inactive town for this game that people are trying to throw shade on.)

Slight Wolf
Fauna (I didn't really vibe the reads list they posted during D2. Their D0 and D1 were very low notes, and I feel like they could be sounding out some ideas to pursue. Their reads don't really change throughout D2 aside from Mathilda after the soft. I think they could be partners with Tank or Flurry based on their flimsy townreads. See my D2 notes and their post for this. I might just not agree with their scumhunting tactics where they build the wolf team first and then dial back to put townreads on the people that didn't stand out.)

Apollo (Him missing D0 is excusable, I guess, but it's impossible to ignore the ties between him and Tank moving forward from D1. He makes direct questions asking about their relationships to other people, and a portion of hist posts are interacting with him. They do have some distance between themselves and Agent S. They had Agent S trending slightly down D1, and I think this is generally better for Apollo considering how early he started this wagon against him. He also might not have a link to Fauna. Some of his points say nothing, however, and the Tank relation is hard to ignore. Him keeping his vote on Boomer was a bit silly too, but not as big as the other points.)

Wolfy
Tank (Is a staunch defender of Apollo for seemingly no reason. He jumps to defend me, I think, during D0 and Apollo. He mentions he wanted to vote for Del in a presentation of Mathilda/Zucker as options. That's just weird, man. He said he was gonna do some cool work on D1, but didn't really show any of that WIM energy. He shrugs off the Dora/Boomer stuff and focuses on other things from Dora since she's a phone-in for that phase. The stuff Tank does isn't all bad. He does do some more work D2 and isn't incomprehensible as I first thought they were. They float Maple over Apollo, still keeping Apollo nearby.)

Agent S (If there's anyone who I think pocketed me, I think it's Agent S. Looking back at how he townread me, it was based off of one post after my D0 work that he liked. He spends a lot of the game focusing on Julian, and no, this isn't a callout for being wrong, it's a callout for being super tunneled. They give some easy points to Phil even though Phil is very much against him, so if Agent S flips red, I'm taking Phil down like 30 pegs. See my D1 notes for this particular idea. He didn't really shift away from his two scumreads of Julian/Rolf, so this reminds me a bit of why I have some issues with Fauna.)

[TWG Punchy]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

That's a nice load to have off of my chest, mrmpht. So freeing, so nice.
Let's get a wolf today!!

[TWG Flurry]

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I also think Fauna's posting patterns are a bit weird because I keep feeling like I don't see how her own progression connects together.

I mostly just feel like I'm reading well structured theorical stuff that could go anywhere.

[TWG Flurry]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

I'm kind of curious how you'd like to priorize your own leans Punchy.

[TWG Flurry]

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I don't see Cole in your reads.

[TWG Flurry]

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I mean, I guess you did mention it.

I'm just wondering why you decided to hold it for now.

[TWG Punchy]

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I mean, I guess you did mention it.

I'm just wondering why you decided to hold it for now.

I did mention it and a reason why. Why are you asking me these questions when I've already answered them?
For the record on Chrissy: scumread for promising to do stuff and then just not

[TWG Punchy]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

And when you say prioritize, are you asking for a lynch order? Or how the list is ordered? You don't need 4 posts to ask me these questions.

It's organized like my other reads list on a number line, where the top of the list is best, and the bottom is worst. That should answer the question of my lynch order, because I think Agent S can potentially help solve Phil and Tank can help solve Apollo kind of idea.

[TWG Flurry]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

I don't really want to help solve someone.

I'd rather vote something because I think it could be cause of the state of the game.

I have a lot of trouble to formulate things along the lines of:

If Apollo/Tank/Agent S was a wolf then it would explain X

I had a much easier time doing that with Phil/Fauna.

So, I feel like that's why I'm confused about how to vote.

[TWG Flurry]

Re: TWG 193: Animal Crossing [Game Thread]

Quick math led to 4 chances left to find at least 1 wolf and then being forced to always find a wolf.

I guess this could go either way.

I'm just trying to think at what would optimize solving speed.