TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

Stop.

Neither of you have played with Haku recently.

It wasn't surprising to see a certain level of Haku fixation from Daikyi given the fallout after that one FE game, but I didn't expect this from you too.
Making scornful comments isn't productive. Reread your comment if you disagree.

It's easy to focus on Haku's bad points and see little else. It's easy to make genuine sounding posts scorning Haku when you have genuine scorn towards his play, but neither are productive or even helpful to your own slots.

If the only thing you can direct towards that slot is derisive commentary, consider ignoring the slot for a portion of the remainder of day. Focus on anything else, because it gets hard to read your slots through it.

What motivated you to white knight me at this point ?

I feel now is as good a time as any to note that in reading Daikyi specifically I get the feeling that he's trying to keep an open mind on the slot despite personal reservations towards the player, which seems like it would come more from a townie mindset than a scum one if true

Do you actually believe that or there's more to it ?

Can you give me an example of YoshL's towny things that you saw he was thinking of? Just curious

I'm asking because you had this too.

You also swapped from raeko to WV at eod and that felt odd based on what you posted.

I guess you simply wanted to join the bigger wagon ?

[ShadoWolfe]

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In rereading last phase, one thing I definitely want is Antori to walk me through his scumread on me yesterday @Antori

this reaction rubbed me the wrong way, i feel like Daikyi did the right thing pushing people on the scene and not voting them and i have yet to get wolf read from star-crossed. but shado coming in and negating the whole discussion felt off for me

^ this was in response to a clipped quote of me specifically saying that making genuine sounding posts being scornful of Haku is easy. I guess what I'm having a hard time seeing is the mental progression from the quoted portion he quoted and "Dayikyi pushing people and not voting them" --> "I have yet to get wolf read from star-crossed" --> "Shado negating the whole discussion felt off for me"

It's weird. I'd agree that Daikyi pushing people is doing the right thing. I don't see what star not scumreading Antori has anything to do with it, though. I also don't see how I negated "the whole discussion", especially if that discussion goes back to "daikyi pushing people and not voting them."

So then from there we immediately go to a suspicions list where I'm at the top of the suspicions. coool.

----------------Suspicions list:
----very suspicious:
-[Empty]
----suspicious:
-ShadoWolfe
----slightly suspicious:
-mellonxcollie
-XelNya
-inDheart
----not suspicious:
-Daikyi
-MixMasterLar
-Gradiant
----neutral:
-Wayward Vagabond
-Hakulyte
-roundbox
----town read/confirmed:
-star-crossed
----sacrifice incase have to lynch someone:
-flashflash account

top to bottom --> most suspicious in that category to least suspicious in that category

This is again weird because, despite being at the top here with little reasoning beyond I rubbed him the wrong way, he follows this up with:

I'm pro no lynch D0 but last time i tried to do it everyone said i was wolfing

I'm happy lynching Gradiant FFA or shado cause i couldn't read them
shado less so because he voiced his opinion and I respect that

Where now he's less suspicious of me than Gradiant or FFA because I've voiced my opinion. Isn't this the same opinion that rubbed him the wrong way? Well, whatever. STILL fine assuming he's changed his mind between here and his old suspicions list... but wait

I already posted my suspicions list if you want to check it out
Somewhat intrested in inDheart's town reads since he's here now
star-crossed is looking less town as D0 goes

18 hours after his suspicions list (and despite the apparent changes per his posts), he still tells Daikyi (who was pressing him at the time) to go back and check his suspicions list for his "thoughts on everyone else", indicating they were still current

@Antori, can you walk me through your throught process in making these posts and a little bit of the progression you felt throughout D0?

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

I'm happy lynching Gradiant FFA or shado cause i couldn't read them

Actually, who have you played before here and who are you comfortable reading ?

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

I'm like really curious because it's my first game with him.

[ShadoWolfe]

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What motivated you to white knight me at this point ?

We've talked about this a few times before, and I think raeko can attest to a voice conversation with sunfan where I was doing pretty much the same thing in trailer park boys (in one of our conversations after I had already claimed wolf). The negativity and anti-Haku comments you get are one of my pet peeves of the FFRTWG community, especially because I don't think they're justified. I probably would've made the same post as a wolf because it genuinely irritates me when it's rehashed, so don't read into it as a town thing. I just wanted to stop it before it got worse.

Do you actually believe that or there's more to it ?

There isn't more to it. I wasn't surprised when Daikyi started it but I wasn't going to comment when it was just him because I noticed he wasn't going too far and did seem to consciously be trying to be openminded. I only intervened when Gradiant joined in. After posting, I realized my post made Daikyi seem worse than he was, so I wanted to note that he hadn't been that bad and that I just wanted to stop it before it got worse.

I'm asking because you had this too.

I asked Raeko that because her response was super generic and I wanted her to give specifics. Here, look:

I like YoshL because of his mindset, seems like he is thinking of town-y things. Obviously we picked up on the same weird thing about Haku but just in general I see what he is saying in his posts a lot and he seems towny

She literally says she likes him because "mindset", "thinking of towny things", "I see what he is saying" "he seems towny"

That struck me as generic to the point that she could say it about anyone at any time and it'd have the same effect. That's why I asked her what specifically about Daikyi she liked. Not because it was Daikyi, but because it seemed like she was making up that read.

Like, in that same post, she also said "Also I think that you are very mean for voting for me" which felt OFF. The wording is so clunky. I'd totally see Raeko start her post off after I voted her with something like "MEAN" or "You're mean for voting me", but it just felt like contrived casualness and really made me want more from her

You also swapped from raeko to WV at eod and that felt odd based on what you posted.

I guess you simply wanted to join the bigger wagon ?

I was on my phone when I posted my interrupted reads, scrolled down and found the votecount, refreshed and saw her vote. Wasn't sure if there was a random CFD onto me or not so I voted WV to try and offset her vote

[ShadoWolfe]

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I also just realized this post starts with "ok i went and read everything so I'm making big wall of text " followed by what can only be described as disjointed fluff. I guess what's weird is that "ok i went and read everything" is followed by like 6 quotes that are far from the most relevant or alignment indicative posts at that point, with fluffy responses to said quotes as his game-summarizing post.

Someone (I think MML) mentioned English was Antori's third language? That explains some of the weird feeling I'm getting, but still @Antori I'd appreciate any elaboration to what I asked in my last post. Please and thank you

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

I guess that makes you consistent overall. The rest of your posts have been about looking up a few random players (star, xel, etc.) and asking things in general.

I feel like finding wolfy stuff is frustratingly hard this game.

I see what I consider sub optimal plays, but I don't really see slips or mistakes.

It's like everyone is sitting back waiting for something to happen.

I think I'm just going to wait for Antori/Raeko to address the above. Maybe that'll make things move forward somehow.

[ShadoWolfe]

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I don't have any very strong wolf reads atm but I am suspicious of Wayward, Xel, you, and slightly Shadowolfe.

A lot of Wayward's posts seem to just be observations

Xel I think is mostly a tone read, I expect him to get more excitable and into the game and some point? This one could just be way off

My suspicions on you (Antori) are mostly because of some general anti-town things you said. But I know you are a relatively new player still so it may just be a lack of experience talking and I don't want to run in the same circles every single game.

Shadowolfe I do not know if I am just traumatized from the last game or not, but he has the same over-confident attitude and I can just hear him in voice chat, wrapping everyone around his finger and getting them to lynch Xel and AHHH ok I'm having flashbacks but seriously his tone is kinda reminding me of that

I'm neutral/need to see more from Ind, Lar, roundbox and I was going to say Gradiant but I like where his head is at since that reads list that I've seen since I hit preview post, lmao

Also I realize it looks like I'm totally sheeping Gradiant's reads but I promise I started working on this post before I saw his

The red when Raeko talks about her wolfreads seems really forcefully written just to halfway shade people and then back off. Every single one of those "wolfreads" does that. I'm probably biased but the one that really hits it home is her read on me. I think I'm as far from last game as I could possibly get. I've been way swamped, haven't had time to properly play, wasted my initial playtime in a useless misunderstanding, haven't really pushed for anything hard because of the above reasons, but somehow to Raeko I'm the same as last game? I also feel like "over-confident" is used here as buzzword to appeal to Gradiant and Daikyi given the timing.

Like seriously, anyone who's reading this please think to yourselves on whether I've wrapped *ANYONE* around my fingers? All I've gotten is suspicion from town and opportunistic pushes from wolves but in Raeko's world that makes me a confident wolf ???



anyway,

the part I marked in green sounds tonally like something I'd expect from town!Raeko for whatever that's worth, but it's nowhere near out of her scumrange so @roundbox @FFA if you're going off of tone I urge you to reconsider

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

Youre absolutely traumatized if you can compare this game to how Wolfe sounded in voice chat

Fucking thank you.


Ok I'm not fully done rereading but it's 4:58AM so I'm going to bed.

I'm glad I chose to reread D0 because I'm seeing that I missed decent chunks of it in the moment with phoneposting and all and rereading is giving me a much better picture. I hope to be able to finish it at some point tomorrow afternoon before work starts in the evening, but we'll see. One thing I'm weary of is I don't know how much I buy a raeko/antori world. I haven't read too deeply in looking for a connection, but I'll have to remember to do that tomorrow. I think I may be wrong on one, not sure

I also want anyone who claims to suss me for anything other than my absence to tell me why or build a case on me so that I get a chance to address it. waiting til EoD and trying to start a CFD on me for something stupid like "he was gone for too long" is NOT pro-town behavior.

If I'm the cop, I got a green result on Hakulyte

goodnight

[Antori]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

I was the counterwagon there, not antori
Most of the antori voters swapped to wv I think

i was expecting to die there not sure why everyone decided to go for the safe kill but i still have wolf reads on Gradiant

I'm not making any more reads lists btw I'll just say what i think

[Antori]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

Anyway to conclude the Shado/inD bit

Shado is simply coming in and picking between the wagons sat before him while InD is countervoting because he finds the wagon itself to not be voting in good faith.

Take your pick which is worst I guess

I'll pick neither

[Antori]

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i want to lynch someone that was writing off star because they didn't want to deal with pushing her

this needs to be discussed more, i dont remember from memory who never talked to star-crossed, i always town read star-crossed from their playstyle, i think haku didn't talk to star alot but that could just be because they didn't talk alot to anyone

because i survived yesterday i feel like i need to clear up something

I'm not wolf.

[Antori]

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doesn't mean i'm happy with antori's post count though or nonresponse to things later on yesterday

sorry but i felt like i was being pushed on without logic so i didn't know how to respond? i dont wanna start it all over again but i got unmotivated to keep discussing with daikyi because i wasn't playing the way he wanted me to play

i was still checking in on the thread but i wasn't too happy with how thins turned out

[Antori]

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I guess what I'm having a hard time seeing is the mental progression from the quoted portion he quoted and "Dayikyi pushing people and not voting them" --> "I have yet to get wolf read from star-crossed" --> "Shado negating the whole discussion felt off for me"

i dont think i posted those in that order, I'll explain reasoning in as much detail as i can i dont really see why it's hard to see though

"i have yet to get wolf read from star-crossed" : star-crossed sounds town, acts town therefore i read them as town. they investigate and push discussion but dont center on people without some solid proof like previous vote or slip up or something wolfy, in other words i can't tell when star-crossed is wolf. and if i can't tell when someone is wolf i dont assume they're wolf i assume they're town

"shado negating the whole discussion felt off for me" : "Stop." "Neither of you have played with Haku recently." "It's easy to focus on Haku's bad points and see little else." all of these quotes made me feel like you were really keen on protecting haku. since town members dont know each other(except for mason? yes i have to spell it to everyone now) i dont know why you'd go to such lengts, for all you know haku can be wolf or town on D0 with no leads to go from. this felt off to me, not a town move.(i hope this clears it up?)

"Dayikyi pushing people and not voting them" : this is maby just his playstyle but i read it as a "not town" move because his pushes pick on discrete details, i'm happy someone is paying attention to the game but i dont think details alone are valid for a push they're valid for reads, since this isn't how i would imagine a town would play i take it as not town. diffrence with star-crossed being star-crossed only pushes when they have a good lead to back it up and i can follow those pushes in those cases.

[Antori]

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This is again weird because, despite being at the top here with little reasoning beyond I rubbed him the wrong way

it's not your reads list you know

Where now he's less suspicious of me than Gradiant or FFA because I've voiced my opinion. Isn't this the same opinion that rubbed him the wrong way? Well, whatever. STILL fine assuming he's changed his mind between here and his old suspicions list

yes it's the same opinion that rubbed me the wrong way, the one that sounded wolfy but i thought about it and making a bold move as wolf such as this one seemed too easy so i figured maby you're not so wolf, still wolf more than Gradiant and FFA since they didn't slip up but you're less wolf they i used to think "shado less so" being less than before not less than Gradiant and FFA

18 hours after his suspicions list (and despite the apparent changes per his posts), he still tells Daikyi (who was pressing him at the time) to go back and check his suspicions list for his "thoughts on everyone else", indicating they were still current

i didn't feel like writing the list at the time so i gave him the next best answer? he was pointing at me NOT having any reads at all or not giving any so i proved him wrong. if he had asked me about a specific person i might of forced myself to write down 3 or 4 lines then back to what i was doing[/QUOTE]

i swear i thought this is all pretty obvious to see and i dont know how i feel about having to explain it