TWG CLXXVII-The Resident Evil Game(mini version)

[roundbox]

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I have a sinking feeling I just wasted a bunch of effort calling curry and rice scum and that he's actually town because of really dumb logic and parallels in my head

more in a bit

[star-crossed]

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Don't really think I've been overwhelmingly positive about roundbox so idk what you mean by that. I also notice that you seem to be singling me out for allegedly bringing up a lynch out of nowhere, but completely ignore how roundbox pretty much did the same thing with me (with a dash of OMGUS to boot), exemplified by this quote:

I think you misunderstood me here. You had been saying you felt suspicious of him since about halfway through D1, so it is not that it really felt random or inconsistent, it's just that up until you answered this question for me, the actual reasons you were giving that went against that suspicion seemed more salient/thoughtful than the points you'd raised against the person who you were consistently reading as sus.

I mean, I already gave an explanation to that.

I would like to say, the main thing I was reacting to from this message when I was drunkposting (sorry) was actually this statement. Because, I initially tried to make clear that I did read your follow-up on the wording of your raeko read from D1. I just still think it was odd and potentially indicative of you two both being mafias, and my perception was that you were brushing off my read on that as illegitimate by portraying it as a question you had talked about more before. Sometimes your arguing style seems quite caught up in rhetoric. I am pretty sure this is mainly just your personal style, but I have had moments of wondering if it is being played up; this was one.

PART 1:

Looking back, I think roundbox not voting to save FFA was because he thought that he would probably be lynched anyway the next day and didn't want it to be obvious that he was trying to save his partner. In light of the funny wagon and flip, he looks even worse from that, and his comments/reactions at the beginning of the day after that didn't help either (calling the game a "dumpster fire" and complaining about how the "game is proceeding in SK's favour" reads like venting after his partner died).

I do think the concern that ffa may be hanged later on anyway is a pretty fair point for why the last mafia may not have tried to save him. Which I find kind of ironic, because I believe both you and rb have to some degree argued in your own defense "why wouldn't I have saved ffa if I were mafia?" and both of you are arguing each other as the most likely mafia. In your case, you seemed to be having technical difficulties with the forum, as well as with your computer restarting, and by the time you actually were commenting on how you felt about ffa versus Cel, there were about 2 minutes left in the day. (I presume this is mainly why you just left your vote on Haku when no one else wanted to hang him). So, especially given your complete lack of comments about Cel earlier, and your ideas on ffa as neutral throughout the Day, I do not really think you could have tried to save ffa as a mafia at the last minute without it seeming pretty awkward, given the technical difficulty situation. Which...kind of brings me back to looking at how the dead mafia acted toward you, which I will look over again now that I have a better idea of your history with ffa.

[roundbox]

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more on this "CRAZY" theory

so curry has had me as his top wolf pick for a bit now, and I was thinking of a line I used to defend myself about him as a line he could use to defend himself from me

so he's had me at the top of his spooky scale for a while now. there was one death last night: zoshi
at this point in the game, a killing power wants to get rid of another killing power because of how close the game is. curry, if he was wanting to get rid of his highest scumlean, he would just blast them.
both players COULD have stacked on Zoshi, but I think both killing powers go after each other at this point. If curry was convinced on me, I'd be dead. his vote on me supports this; I have never, at any point in the game, had a vest. curry would be 100% positive on my alignment if he shot a vest of mine, but he didn't, because he didn't shoot, and I don't have a vest.

soooo

yeah
is curry actually town???

[star-crossed]

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more on this "CRAZY" theory

so curry has had me as his top wolf pick for a bit now, and I was thinking of a line I used to defend myself about him as a line he could use to defend himself from me

so he's had me at the top of his spooky scale for a while now. there was one death last night: zoshi
at this point in the game, a killing power wants to get rid of another killing power because of how close the game is. curry, if he was wanting to get rid of his highest scumlean, he would just blast them.
both players COULD have stacked on Zoshi, but I think both killing powers go after each other at this point. If curry was convinced on me, I'd be dead. his vote on me supports this; I have never, at any point in the game, had a vest. curry would be 100% positive on my alignment if he shot a vest of mine, but he didn't, because he didn't shoot, and I don't have a vest.

soooo

yeah
is curry actually town???

I kind of cannot really follow most of your theories about why people would make specific kills, so I am focusing on what I get more, which is day stuff. But I will be interested in what inD thinks of this

[star-crossed]

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The only interaction raeko arguably had with Curry is that raeko voted for funnygirl during the end of Day 1 while Curry was kind of an option. It is at 5:55am in my time that Curry is put to 2 votes, and while Cel does unvote before raeko decides to vote for funnygirl, it is within the same minute as raeko's vote (5:58am).

Curry voted raeko at the start of D2, with an italics declaration that wolves may be people not doing much. This was what he said when Cel said she tends to be quiet

Can anyone else corroborate this? I know in a game on NSM, wolf raeko was pretty quiet until called out for it, even though Charu thought she was a human.

It is confusing, because I like that he mentions that he has actual eperience with others being wrong about her while she was being quiet. But him asking for corroboration specifically when he already has the idea that she may always be (from Charu, and from Cel now), seems like it may be done with the intent of giving himself a reason to back off, while still being able to emphasize later that raeko was a "past vote" of his.

[star-crossed]

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xel makes one angry and annoying post or two and he conveniently forgets the fact I'm his top wolf, even after he swaps out xel for olimar



I'm not a viable lynch? eh, fuck it, let's go with this guy

This argument does not really do anything for me, because I completely empathize with his view of xel at the time.

[star-crossed]

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Sorry for posting so many times in a row but I am going to rest my eyes for a bit because I want to wait up for inD.

[Curry and Rice]

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I think you misunderstood me here. You had been saying you felt suspicious of him since about halfway through D1, so it is not that it really felt random or inconsistent, it's just that up until you answered this question for me, the actual reasons you were giving that went against that suspicion seemed more salient/thoughtful than the points you'd raised against the person who you were consistently reading as sus.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say but I think I still disagree??

I do think the concern that ffa may be hanged later on anyway is a pretty fair point for why the last mafia may not have tried to save him. Which I find kind of ironic, because I believe both you and rb have to some degree argued in your own defense "why wouldn't I have saved ffa if I were mafia?" and both of you are arguing each other as the most likely mafia. In your case, you seemed to be having technical difficulties with the forum, as well as with your computer restarting, and by the time you actually were commenting on how you felt about ffa versus Cel, there were about 2 minutes left in the day. (I presume this is mainly why you just left your vote on Haku when no one else wanted to hang him). So, especially given your complete lack of comments about Cel earlier, and your ideas on ffa as neutral throughout the Day, I do not really think you could have tried to save ffa as a mafia at the last minute without it seeming pretty awkward, given the technical difficulty situation.

I had the time to change my vote if I really wanted to, but I figured that even though FFA was, at the time, a null read to me, he was a better lynch than Cel (which was, of course, proven in hindsight). I probably could have used the excuse "Noc gets lynched Day 1 all the time as a human, so I think he's a human" if I were his partner as well.

snip

wut

are you ok

are you realizing you made a dire mistake in going after me

It is confusing, because I like that he mentions that he has actual eperience with others being wrong about her while she was being quiet. But him asking for corroboration specifically when he already has the idea that she may always be (from Charu, and from Cel now), seems like it may be done with the intent of giving himself a reason to back off, while still being able to emphasize later that raeko was a "past vote" of his.

The game with Raeko was only one game, not to mention her first one on NSM. Thus, I didn't know if it was an outlier in her playstyle, much like this type of inactivity usually isn't characteristic of Olimar.


Also, other people should totally chime up about this whole situation. Especially Cel and Olimar. As someone who's used to OOTC, it's kind of frustrating that all I can do is try to magically invoke them in the thread instead of pestering them through all manners available to me. :P

[inDheart]

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i'm here but i need caffeine because i am wilting fast

star, i agree that olimar really has the only stuff that means anything to being a serial killer or not, i'm just a little bothered still by his "humans don't want to lynch the SK" post today

i said earlier it could mean he's just not aware enough of the game state to even be scum, but if he's one of my clears, then there's only 2 other town posting and that doesn't feel quite right (and would be kind of disappointing)

[inDheart]

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more on this "CRAZY" theory

so curry has had me as his top wolf pick for a bit now, and I was thinking of a line I used to defend myself about him as a line he could use to defend himself from me

so he's had me at the top of his spooky scale for a while now. there was one death last night: zoshi
at this point in the game, a killing power wants to get rid of another killing power because of how close the game is. curry, if he was wanting to get rid of his highest scumlean, he would just blast them.
both players COULD have stacked on Zoshi, but I think both killing powers go after each other at this point. If curry was convinced on me, I'd be dead. his vote on me supports this; I have never, at any point in the game, had a vest. curry would be 100% positive on my alignment if he shot a vest of mine, but he didn't, because he didn't shoot, and I don't have a vest.

soooo

yeah
is curry actually town???

he has you as his top wolf, but that doesn't make him 100% positive?

confus

also, i think this is only ruling him out of SK behavior because it'd be harder for wolves to present "real" scum picks to the thread while they aim to lynch town, especially in the early game

[inDheart]

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The only interaction raeko arguably had with Curry is that raeko voted for funnygirl during the end of Day 1 while Curry was kind of an option. It is at 5:55am in my time that Curry is put to 2 votes, and while Cel does unvote before raeko decides to vote for funnygirl, it is within the same minute as raeko's vote (5:58am).

Curry voted raeko at the start of D2, with an italics declaration that wolves may be people not doing much. This was what he said when Cel said she tends to be quiet


It is confusing, because I like that he mentions that he has actual eperience with others being wrong about her while she was being quiet. But him asking for corroboration specifically when he already has the idea that she may always be (from Charu, and from Cel now), seems like it may be done with the intent of giving himself a reason to back off, while still being able to emphasize later that raeko was a "past vote" of his.

sorry, where would he have that corroboration from before this game?

i'm not really sure how much attention raeko was paying to the end of day 1, tbh. she had said one total thing about funnygurl before that, nothing about curry, nothing about xel who was somewhat viable (cel wanted to vote him), and popped in to make the one post about olimar. so i think at some point she just decided her vote was going to be on funny regardless of whatever the counter was, and so her lack of a vote on curry isn't so notable

[Curry and Rice]

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I'll be back closer to phase end.

[inDheart]

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i think there's a scum in curry/roundbox, but maybe not both

i think they've both been doing bits of the thing they both say they're not doing and accuse the other of: expressing a high degree of confidence of scumminess of the other player, except at a time when it's stated to be wolfy to believe that because it implies TMI

one thing roundbox has going for him is the way he didn't seem to come into today auto-prepared to bury curry implies he doesn't actually have such knowledge; he posted for a bit before he started casing curry which expands a bit on his "weird fantasy" from late yesterday

i didn't remember many of those posts made by him in CLXXIV, which might be just a testament to how wrong and out of that game i was, and i've apparently completely confused his play there with the TWGood End game

[inDheart]

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beyond that i think it's a crapshoot

i really, really would like to be able to clear olimar but i don't know if i can fully, because of some weirdness around him

assuming there's only one in curry/roundbox means there's one in star/cel if i clear him, and they're both like, rather towny with cel having rather less wolf equity between them

[Celirra]

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I've read everything and stuff

I don't mind roundbox lynch

I like my tinfoil of star kinda still but not as much

Curry I have no clue about if I had to be honest, his general style is one that inherently comes off as scummy to me, which I'm trying to overcome this game which might be why I can't see him as too scummy for some weird reason.

Olimar is clear to me, I think I've gone over it and tbh there's not a ton *to* say given how little he's given us; it sounds bad but if he is scum I would consider it a win for us regardless given he hasn't really played and maybe should've been modkilled but I shouldn't go down this route

InD is almost as cute as me

I'll give more info on roundbox lunch once I get home from playing pump