jTWG LXXXI I Got Nothin' Game Thread

[sanzath]

Re: jTWG LXXXI I Got Nothin' Game Thread

That read list makes me wolf read you Sanzath lol.

y tho

Same applies to Op actually.

Not really useful for me. rip.

y tho

[Hakulyte]

Re: jTWG LXXXI I Got Nothin' Game Thread

Effortposting involves that I spent a lot of time behind my posts. I had a ton of one liners this game

I have "tutorial" type of posts at the beginning of the game, but I did them to give general advice rather than push pressure on someone.

I normally effortpost to create pushes on players as wolf.

[Hakulyte]

Re: jTWG LXXXI I Got Nothin' Game Thread

Andy is either covering you by saying you're a great town or he's covering Op by wolf reading him believing we won't believe him because he was a wolf. (distancing)

[Hakulyte]

Re: jTWG LXXXI I Got Nothin' Game Thread

I think I'm just going to vote xXOpkillerXx this phase.

If you're wolf Sanzath, well played.

Still going to wait to see if Op had something.

[sanzath]

Re: jTWG LXXXI I Got Nothin' Game Thread

Andy is either covering you by saying you're a great town or he's covering Op by wolf reading him believing we won't believe him because he was a wolf. (distancing)

It's funny because this is how I feel about his reads on you and op respectively.

I mean as I said, probably his best strategy was to 50/50 flip a coin to choose how he was going to read someone so I'm not spending much time on the reads themselves but rather on the little details contained in them

[sanzath]

Re: jTWG LXXXI I Got Nothin' Game Thread

I think I'm just going to vote xXOpkillerXx this phase.

If you're wolf Sanzath, well played.

Still going to wait to see if Op had something.

Voting with someone missing would create an unbalanced scenario imo, so I'm holding off as well.

We'll probably see the game end tomorrow morning.

[Hakulyte]

Re: jTWG LXXXI I Got Nothin' Game Thread

rip sven, I'm sure we're all very surprised this happened

anyway

I'm fairly confident at this point that Haku is wolf.

Haku, I reread thread and I noticed this thing you've been doing, whenever you mentioned Watcher, your post heavily implied that you thought Watcher's action is what Tracker's action actually is, as if we had the same role 2 times under 2 different names. You said at least once that since Watcher watched you, you were probably in the clear. (I mean yeah you retracted that when you talked about how the assigned kill kind of makes this moot

You already stated that you say & do things that are wrong/bad (your self-reads of "if I was wolf I would do ____" come to mind) to see what other peoples' reactions would be. But imo, every player has a responsibility to understand the rules, including what the PRs do, be they VT, PR themselves or wolves. So given that:

1) I really really doubt you actually misinterpreted the rules;
2) As a VT, your posts could just as well have baited Towns or Wolves alike, so it makes little sense to do it in the first place;
3) As a Wolf, a successful bait would give you (or Andy if he was alive) some ammunition to get "wolfy" reads on somebody.

And then, imo, you heavily playing the "hey guys look at all these stupid things I'm doing that wolves would never do" was probably your only way to clear your own name, because you knew the VTs would be too scared to try to insta you.

Altogether, your plays this game fit what I feel like an experienced wolf would do, moreso than the plays Op has made fit what I think a new wolf would do.

Wasn't intending on this post being so long but sunfan just took his time didn't he

I haven't played a game with Tracker\Watcher before surprisingly and I'm someone who does tend to confuse rules in TWG in more complex setups or in setups with roles I'm not used to see.

You can see me posting things about mechanics on page 1 being uncertain about what to do.

As for baiting, the goal is not to get a player "caught", it's literally to create a situation where multiple players evaluate one thing and check how everyone interacts with each others. This game has been a trainwreck tho because these voting patterns are crazy.

I'm a well known busser as wolf. It's very awkward to think I wouldn't have bussed Andy in this situation or that I wouldn't try to keep talking like I don't understand anything.

In this game I came up with that mass claim plan and it did work even if I spent most of the time being wrong about who to vote.

I'm a lot more organized as wolf, this is why effortposting become significant. It makes me appear as a godlike player who's pulling plays.

This game I'm more organic which usually leads to being town.

You don't trust me? Well, too bad, this is how I happen to play most of the time.

It's because this is too hard to emulate properly as wolf.

[Hakulyte]

Re: jTWG LXXXI I Got Nothin' Game Thread

btw, xXOpKillerXx went from town reading Rapta to killing tiloco.

He has a pretty weird progression on that imo. I'll need to dig back his posts.

[Hakulyte]

Re: jTWG LXXXI I Got Nothin' Game Thread

Haku went full 1-on-1 vs XelNya when I was pressuring him (Haku) a lot for info. That being said he'd know we would potentially be at least 2 against him, which to me sounds risky (please help on this?) for a wolf.

Andy no clue.

Rapta I want to say would be a great liar if he is actually wolf. At first he said he was ok with lynching XelNya and agreed with my statement (I believe) to lynch Haku next day, then agreed that his vote was probably a mistake after XelNya's post; if he's unsure what to do as wolf, this is it. Also he just agreed on Haku's strat which, if they're both wolves and he doesn't quite know where he's going, makes a whole lot of sense.

Rapta wolf & Haku wolf : Most plausible so far I think, Only if H&H is PR
Rapta town & Haku wolf : Only if H&H is Wolf or the worst VT rofl
Rapta wolf & haku town : Only if H&H is PR
Rapta town & haku town : Only if H&H is Wolf

Sanzath not agreeing with mass claim makes me think he's town by trying to make sure we don't get tricked into some wolfy strat. I'd like to hear more on that, it could push Haku towards wolf imo.

Haku, if we vote Rapta, you in ?

Keeping that for reference I guess.

I'd like an explanation about that Rapta/Haku wolf/town scenario thing with H&H.

[Hakulyte]

Re: jTWG LXXXI I Got Nothin' Game Thread

MASS CLAIMING HAS BEGUN, PLEASE CLAIM YOUR ROLE AS SOON AS YOU READ THIS OR RISK MAKING YOUR TEAM LOSE.

Did you have something againt partial mass claim?

[Hakulyte]

Re: jTWG LXXXI I Got Nothin' Game Thread

Not much, so far he's VT to me. It may change with the last 2 claims however:

Possible claims:

Andy VT & H&H Tracker: Rapta confirmed wolf

Andy Tracker & H&H Tracker: Damn that would be sick but unless I missed something I'd call Andy/Rapta wolf on that one.

Andy Tracker & H&H Watcher: This would mean either H&H or WV is wolf, so we lynch H&H and if he's really PR, WV and Rapta are Wolves; if H&H is wolf, that's 1 down, Rapta almost confirmed VT (unless H&H sacrificing him lmao that'd be a sick play), Andy and WV confirmed PRs, myself VT, that'd leave Sanz or Haku as the second wolf.

Andy Watcher & H&H Tracker: Rapta confirmed Wofl, and either WV or Andy is lying. Not so sure what to do in this scenario because lynching one will confirm the other but then ???



Any scenario where H&H is VT: Again, if H&H is truly VT he fcked up big time in this scenario... I seriously hope this is not it, because all the above is based on this assumption.

Weird post. It's working under the assumption he knows H&H will claim PR.

[sanzath]

Re: jTWG LXXXI I Got Nothin' Game Thread

I haven't played a game with Tracker\Watcher before surprisingly and I'm someone who does tend to confuse rules in TWG in more complex setups or in setups with roles I'm not used to see.

You can see me posting things about mechanics on page 1 being uncertain about what to do.

Oh damn, I actually hadn't really paid attention d0 posts. I guess being you confused about the role actually does make sense, or else you'd have to have planned that way in advance, which I'm now thinking is less likely.

But I'm stilling putting more credibility into the "Haku = madman wolf" idea right now than I was EOD2.

As for baiting, the goal is not to get a player "caught", it's literally to create a situation where multiple players evaluate one thing and check how everyone interacts with each others. This game has been a trainwreck tho because these voting patterns are crazy.

Yes but I mean, it goes both ways. Towns can use them to try to find wolves through suspicious interactions, and Wolves and use them to try to find targets through those same interactions.
I guess I don't really have a point to make on this anymore since I'm not so sure about the Watcher bait thing.

Rest of post is you claiming your own meta, I don't have much to say about that which I haven't already said.

[sanzath]

Re: jTWG LXXXI I Got Nothin' Game Thread

Btw I'm fairly certain I could answer most of your questions for Op in his place, but I'd rather see what he says about it himself.

[sanzath]

Re: jTWG LXXXI I Got Nothin' Game Thread

wow I just realized why it's more valuable to ask questions than to simply assume the answers

[Hakulyte]

Re: jTWG LXXXI I Got Nothin' Game Thread

Answers have little to no value in this game because it is a game of assumptions unless we're talking about mechanics.

How you answer questions have a lot of value and it can rapidly change the game if something special happens.