TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

[blindreper1179]

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bold move cotton

let's see if it pays off.

[DarkManticoreX2]

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Guess I'll make a current reads list as well since nothing else is happening. Off the top of my head:

Special:
Tiloco - Could be red or blue. I've been looking over his posts, and the day ends are really annoying me. Actions are bad, posts are good. I think I've been getting unwarrented heat for suggesting he COULD be red. I just want people to remember this is a possibility and not to let him skate to endgame.

Solid Town -

InDHeart - Solid town, fairly universal read here that I share with almost everyone due to tone and gameplay. The interaction D1 between him me and soundwave made me like him D1, and my stance hasn't changed since.

Mix Master Lar - Also fairly universally town read. He's been highly active and has touched on every single player in the game. I don't like how he pressured me this phase and then dipped after I pushed back a bit at the top of this page. That felt noncommital.

Town

Tokzic - Going into D2 I thought Tokzic and Tiloco could be a W/W interaction due to tokzic's hard clear of tiloco D1, but I've come around. We had a lot of similar thoughts D1 to the point where I was wondering if he was mirroring me, and it continued D2 with post 1826 about blind defending xel and pushing him. Currently running a theory in the back of my head he is T/T with someone else. Proof below from about now in D2

Don't know what to feel about Tokzic. I have a hunch though.

Would really like Tokzic to come back to the thread so I don't have to theorycraft.

Null

WV - WV has been white noise for me most of this game. I haven't had any direct interaction with him, nor has he done anything this game to affect the game state.

Soundwave - Soundwave has been floated up by enough people to be a possible lynch target each day. His posts have been all over the place, and I can't really get into his headspace. It's been mentioned several times that he's easily mislynched however so I've chalked him up to "deal with near endgame"

Wolfy (ordered cleanest to worst)

Cel - Tunneled Tiloco all D2 up until the very end of the phase. Seemed to ignore the work Freezin did to get stances out of tiloco. See below:

Admittedly, it's two reasons;

1) As I've mentioned before, he did feel very lazy with his analysis on various occasions, which does somewhat rub me the wrong way. He did clear up some of it, but unless I missed something by accident which I'm prone to do it turns out, there were occasions where what I called him out on were... well, not answered very well if at all.

2) Not a reason more a self-analysis, but I might be so focused due to a bit of guilt over saving him by keeping my d0 on Light, causing the mislynch. Oops.


And then, part of it as well is that although I'm not the most... adept with mechanics, it seems that someone (I wanna say freezin) worked it out to be mechanically correct to go for Tiloco, which somewhat fortified my stance. Though I don't care for mechanics too much, I recall Tiloco's response as a "imagine my world" kind of argument, which is always a bit of a silly one to me, and ultimately didn't even do a great job of fending off the points made and felt more like a dissuasion.

also for what it's worth, it feels a bit weird how he's semi-aggressively insistent I'm scummy, ever since I started reading him as such, almost like a "no, you!" style of pushing focus.



mostly #1 though, the rest are more explanations for gut feelings probably.

Freezin's push on Tiloco was for answers and interaction. He was pushing tiloco hard to try figure out Tiloco's headspace and to attempt to find an inconsistency in Tiloco's thought process.

Freezin and I for that matter both think Tiloco's responses were pretty good, and gave some solid insight into where he is/was in the game. That's why we both backed off

Kinda find it interesting that you didn't come out with the same impression. If you had said "Tiloco's actions at EOD speak louder then him being able to navigate freezin's questioning" I would be fine with your vote on Tiloco, I woulda been more then okay with the vote.

Kinda think you're tunneling.

Has had me as "fairly human" most of the game, and now is following the wagon as it gains momentum. Additionally stayed on the Tokzic wagon once the Tiloco wagon vanished. We all know Xel is a wolf now. D2 vote looks suspect.

DBP - Gone for days at a time, pushed the LK vote from the sidelines D1 then backed off and voted elsewhere, causing a mislynch. D2, didn't show up till the end of the phase, and then finally voted Xel after it was clear Xel was dying. Vote looks like bussing. Has done nothing D3.

Blind - This has been addressed a bunch already, so I'll just go over the basics. Headspace has been weird all game. Reached the same conclusion as Lar D2, then decided he didn't want to have the same read as him. Just had another instance with InD a few posts ago. His logic isn't meshing up and his offhanded defensiveness of Xel during the D2 lynch was bad as well.

Xiz - #1 on my wolf reads list. Voting history is poor. Activity D1/2 is spotty due to IRL things. He got spooked he was seered by tiloco and retreated immediately to masons, he voted last minute in a tight vote race for tokzic in what looks like an attempt to save xel. All these things combined scream wolf.

[DarkManticoreX2]

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Masons should be millers in Xiz's footer

[Celirra]

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I think I might've missed it, can you pull a quote of DBP pushing the nakah vote d0?

[DarkManticoreX2]

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Someone multi quoted 4 separate posts on D2 i think. I'll try to find it.

[Xiz]

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sometimes scrambles are good though - it's been part of the FFR meta for a long time

thing is, town-you shouldn't know whether xel is a mislynch or not, and i would just push for the scramble if you really believe that and think something's up with his wagon

this reads all weird

If anything, your read on this is the thing that's all weird. In the last 60 seconds of the phase when half of the people were reading me wolfy, I knew that I couldn't get people to follow me. I did the smart thing and withdrew my push on cel.

If town-you were in my shoes, i'm sure you would have done the same thing as I did :O

[Xiz]

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which also wouldn't seem to square with his usual style, because neither of these are wagons he wanted besides xiz halfway. he seemed pretty set on wanting to resolve a tokzic/tiloco world with cel. what happened?

I'm starting to get the feeling that you haven't fully read my posts. I pretty much said the same thing about this post just a few pages ago.

[Xiz]

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blind

There was a time on ffr when selfvoting meant something. Now it's just meh.

[the sun fan]

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Votecount:
Xiz (1)- Manti
Manti (1)- Lar
blind (3)- Xiz, inDheart, blind
Tokzic (1)- tiloco

[DarkManticoreX2]

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I can't find the D2 post, but here's tokzic's callout on D1

You are doing all the same things you did last game I played with you. You put a lot of effort into trying to saying towny things in the first phase of the game, use the initial townreads to push town in a bad direction, then you coast.

When I first started scumreading you, you didn't acknowledge it, posted some emotional slank, then just chilled, just like you did last game.

You started the wagon on LK, just like you started every bad wagon last game. When you saw that you had the leeway to not pile onto a bad lynch, you switch to a partner at the last second for good cred.

Xel and Dbp are wolves.

[Celirra]

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mmmm I'll take your and tokzic's word for it now I suppose, I'll look tomorrow; if it's not there then I'll probably look at the two of you negatively for fabrication of evidence or something etc

no opinions changed though yet

[Xiz]

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so like is dbp gonna be replaced orrrr

[blindreper1179]

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For real though, here's my wolf to town
Sound
Tokzic
Manti
Celery
DBP
Xiz
WV
MML
Tiloco
inDheart

[blindreper1179]

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There was a time on ffr when selfvoting meant something. Now it's just meh.

This is upsetting

sound wave

[Soundwave-]

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Would like to point out I'm getting pushed by pretty much everyone from soundwave to Tiloco here.

Who said I was pushing you? Don't woof yourself there mate.

i hate this kind of post btw because it implies wv is clear of partnerships, in which case i would say, show me the evidence for that

Also FFR is generally hooked on the idea that woofs will out themselves through relationships. It isn't impossible, or even that difficult if you play it right, to stay entirely unaffiliated with your partners. It just leaves you open to the potential of being outplayed.

has soundwave had to go without leaving a vote?

I doth return.

For real though, here's my wolf to town
Sound
Tokzic
Manti
Celery
DBP
Xiz
WV
MML
Tiloco
inDheart

I'm so flip-floppy on you. On one hand I wouldn't expect woof blind to get voted on by both themselves and a potential woof Manti, on the other hand this tier list is shit, and not just because I'm on the top of it.