TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

[DarkManticoreX2]

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@Manti I'd like to hear your input on Xiz being town for the reasons I just gave

If we assume that Xiz is town than maybe I was left alive because they assumed I would be leading a lynch on Xiz today. And if I've been on Xiz this whole time than there is little reason for them to assume I'm a cop because if I was I definitely would have checked Xiz night 1. This is making a lot of sense all of a sudden.

And then when I lynched Xiz who would end up being town in that scenario they could leave me alive another day and I would almost definitely get lynched and that would be GG. I'm officially in the rabbit hole.

I don't think wolves make level 3 plays very often where they frame a person by having an already questionable person lead a lynch. Wolfs can't control the day phase and they can't guarentee your voice is the lead. kills generally reside in who is blue or who is hurting them. I doubt they kept you alive to frame xiz.

I think almost being lynched, blue claiming and then not dieing in the night put you in the rabbit hole. You're just digging it deeper by looking into it too hard.


There's two cases for tiloco right now:

1) He is blue - He was almost lynched and a role seer was killed n1. He came out as blue fully expecting to die in the night but gave out no info. Wolves assume non data gathering role, and as such no need to kill because he's likely to die to the lynch.

2) He is red - he was almost killed in the lynch and claimed a role last minute and left to save himself. During the night he realizes he's probably dead tomorrow if he doesn't explain why he's alive and why he has no blue info. Invents his role, and tries to rationalize his existence by claiming he's being framed if xiz dies today and is town.

Uh I think that's it. You're making it really convoluted though.

[tiloco217]

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I don't think this is actually all that deep of a read. Town tend to follow a confirmed, I've been all over Xiz all game. That's all that really needs to be known for that plan to work. Everything else just adds more reasons why it makes sense.

[Wayward Vagabond]

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Eod suck. I end up not sleeping until late and wake up early so I don't miss anything

[tiloco217]

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Also another big thing is it's still a huge risk for a mafia Xiz to leave me alive. He would definitely assume a red check and even if he didn't there's no reason to believe I wouldn't be on his ass the next day and that people wouldn't follow. If I lead a kill on him and he was mafia than I would never get lynched so they just left a pr alive for an extra day.

All very basic thoughts that have just been put together

[DarkManticoreX2]

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Also another big thing is it's still a huge risk for a mafia Xiz to leave me alive. He would definitely assume a red check and even if he didn't there's no reason to believe I wouldn't be on his ass the next day and that people wouldn't follow. If I lead a kill on him and he was mafia than I would never get lynched so they just left a pr alive for an extra day.

All very basic thoughts that have just been put together

Why would wolf xiz assume you have a red check on him when you didn't reveal it when you claimed. You were pretty hard on xiz all of D2.

[inDheart]

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Why would wolf xiz assume you have a red check on him when you didn't reveal it when you claimed. You were pretty hard on xiz all of D2.

that would involve claiming what type of info he has -> claiming his role in a game with anticlaims

not all that odd to me

[Celirra]

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Also - I didn't realize I was so opaque with my reads. I'll give an effort post giving reads once I'm home, so 45min-1hr from now

[DarkManticoreX2]

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that would involve claiming what type of info he has -> claiming his role in a game with anticlaims

not all that odd to me

"HiI just claimed blue, I know for a fact xiz is red."

Not gonna tell you how I got that info but I have it

[inDheart]

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you know for all the people that suspect blind only one person is voting him with less than 8 hours to go

[tiloco217]

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I doubt that I actually would have revealed a red check even if I did have one yesterday. I realized during the night that I actually should have specifically said I didn't have a red check on him because my play the last day kinda makes it look like I did.

It's pretty irrelevant anyways because like I said. Even if he decided I didn't have a red check on him it's still a huge risk to leave me alive because I'm likely to lead a lynch on him.

[inDheart]

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"HiI just claimed blue, I know for a fact xiz is red."

Not gonna tell you how I got that info but I have it

what do you think of him softing an info role but now claiming a role that doesn't appear to give info?

[tiloco217]

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Lol I forgot that he actually did assume I had a red check on him when I claimed blue and it's the reason you are voting for him. I don't really know how you can be arguing this now

[inDheart]

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Also - I didn't realize I was so opaque with my reads. I'll give an effort post giving reads once I'm home, so 45min-1hr from now

i might have just missed them - i just realized i'm missing anything for your row

[Celirra]

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i might have just missed them - i just realized i'm missing anything for your row

I wouldn't be surprised if I didn't claim any specific reads honestly, I've realized I haven't been very... confident with my reads this game since my voting mistake d0, and now with d1 too I'm second guessing myself quite a lot.

If nothing else I should be open about where my head is at right now.

[DarkManticoreX2]

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what do you think of him softing an info role but now claiming a role that doesn't appear to give info?

I am okay with it because a medic role needs to be protected, and I have done similar things in the past as a blue to obfuscate myself to the wolves.

But it's also setting me off because the spidy sense BS meter in the back of my head is saying this could be a wolf power play. How long do we let tiloco live if he keeps surviving nights?