TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

There's too much Haku and Witch of Space or whatever the fuck we're calling Freezin now (third paragraph? Bro use the second to last paragraph always) for my brain to function probably



I will say I wanted to see more snooping from Xel and right now that isn't happening.

That's pretty sad


Will see you guys no later then 6EST but hopefully sooner!

Uhhhhh..

PS vote Shado

Huh.
Awfully convenient way to push your mislynch without having to do any work..

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

You know, I don't think it's just Sunfan having an off day here.

I feel like if sunfan's wolf, there's awfully many people he's giving the "blindreper treatment".
The rest of your quoted post is neither here nor there, though. He mentioned witch because part of the suspicion against him was for hard-defending her, but she's since flipped town.

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

I'm reconsidering about if JK should claim here. I just have a feeling it won't be as helpful as I hope.

I don't think the likeliness of hitting "the assigned kill" is worth being Confirmed here.

Feel free to argue about this.

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

Hey Shado, I have a good one for you: #2395

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: We recap

Let me elaborate on why I'm advocating to not even consider partners this phase before I do that.

The issue is this. By considering partners, you're making a lot of assumptions based on interactions with players whose roles we clearly don't know. We've been wrong all game.

However. We have someone with a solid case made on them. They have had a miserable reaction to a player who trusted them flop on them, to a point of giving up, until a solution was reminded to them. Shado reacting to my flop is all the reason I need aside from my own digging into AA's post's points. I rarely sheep like that with actually going back and reading them over as carefully.

That's why I am hell-bent on seeing his flip.

Any-who. I'm actually going to go do that.

"seeing his flip" is so passive. You're talking about ending the game here, there are no options except a successful lynch.
What miserable reaction are you talking about? Are you saying you're "reading me scum" because of me feeling done with the game after spending ALL DAY in thread trying to prevent people from mislynching me?
That's just a bad read, and a bad reason for a read. You said you don't see me ever giving up as town, but you literally have no precedent to judge from. Go read my wolfgame last game. Go read the turbo before that. I'm fucking tenacious when all I have to do is twist people's words/intentions to divert suspicion off me. Look at me this game, I've literally done the opposite of that. Was I frustrated when a day of defending false accusations just led another player to vote me? Yes. Did I come back and try to clean up my game? Yes. At the time, my motivation was to prevent myself from being the cause of town losing. Now, my motivation's changed. Even if I'm mislynched here, I won't beat myself up over it. I've fought, called out people, had better reads than the consensus, advocated for the lynches I believed in, and ended up misread hard. I don't even think town will win this game anymore, I just really don't want to lose in a sweep. Even that's starting to look unlikely, but I'll keep trying as long as I can. I'm really not a wolf, and you need to get off me if you aren't either.

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

Hey Shado, I have a good one for you: #2395

Me and Xel already covered this in depth. He denied it and then eventually acknowledged I had a point "that got swept under the rug to my credit" IN THE SAME POST HE VOTED ME IN.

Why's it a good one for me?

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

Running late, but I wanted to hit wabby's post real quick 'cause he made a good point ughhhh

[Prophylaxis]

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In all seriousness, at this point in the game I think it is better to have confidence in a read and be wrong than show uncertainty. So to that point, do you think Xel is the best lynch today?

Do you think Xel/Shado could be partners? I know you are mostly reading Shado as town, but just humor me.

1. I think Xel is the most likely wolf on the backpack wagon and he's been mostly meh throughout the entire game. After I did the vote analysis though I think Jade is slightly more likely scum, but I'm rolling with Jade/Xel/?? for now.

2. Possibly, with the way EoD2 went down where Shado pushed for Xel then CFD'd onto Witch? I'm not too concerned with partner stuff right now; I'm more focused on finding the individually most scummiest person since there are still three wolves alive.

1. I think Shado is on there (it was entirely too easy after the things AA said for most people to vote witch here I think) However, if you recall Shado pushed for Xel at eod.

2. This isn't really helpful as you're only leaving out two names from that list. If you boil your statement down to "there is at least one scum in these 5 names" you are automatically correct by maths. I strongly encourage you to consider me town if it helps simplify your analysis.

3. Can I hear your reasoning behind why you think an all-town wagon makes a person more scum-like? Also you seemed to prefer Jade as scum rather than MML, is this correct?

I do prefer Jade for scum rather than MML.

I will say that your "I strongly urge you to consider me town" is a good look for you (though I could be bought in by the AtE), and I'm glad that you spent time commenting on my analysis. What do you think of Jade, yourself?

An all-town wagon makes the person slightly more likely to be scum because if the person being wagonned is town, then why are there no scum on the wagon? Scum need to play to their win condition, after all, which is mislynching townies.

If you really think this way, I think it'd be a good use of your time to try to solve the game with me as arbitrary town and arbitrary wolf and see which scenario makes more sense to you.
I'd tell you to just solve it with me as town, but I guess that's not very fair to you.
But yeah, if I'm your last missing piece, then please try to solve it with me as either alignment. I'd like to read what you come up with, and I think it's fair to say it'd help everyone read you as well.

Yeah, that's fair. After I finish this catchup post I'll go ahead and consider the gamestate with you as town or scum.

Good stuff.

Don't say "good stuff" to me bringing up wagons. Look at it! Analyze it! Engage with me, like you said you would yesterday, and draw your own conclusions!

"I am VT, lynch me" D0 looks more wolfy than towny for you imo as well. Is this fake lack of motivation or you seriously don't care about the potentially most important phase?

I do care about this phase, but the Witch flip at the EoD makes this game feel unwinnable. The vig is the most powerful role in the setup and could seriously swing the game for us but that's all for naught now.

That wagon is 3 townies. Why would that make Sunfan scum?

Four townies if you're town.

It would probably make sunfan scum because if sunfan is town here, then why do the wolves not jump on the mislynch?

Shado makes good points about Xel's read on him. Honestly leaning towards voting one of Jade/Xel EoD.

I know I'm going to trigger Haku by saying this but I really like his progression/thoughts on page 42 here. If he's scum, hats off; I think I'm at ride or die with him.

..Which is making me look more into Sunfan since that wagon was weird.

I really want to vote Xel right now. His play this phase feels like he's just phoning it in because he knows that he's going to win by mislynching town!Shado, while Shado feels like he's actually trying to figure out the game. Xel's posts don't feel like he's trying to re-evaluate or figure the gamestate out; it's "tunnel onto Shado". Feels like easy scum play to me.

Witch of Space: Can you please concisely explain as to why you are scumreading Shado despite his behavior and posts Today? He feels as though he is trying to work the gamestate out.

Xel's big post is. I'm having trouble getting into his mindset. His spoilers are all basically "quotes" -> "reaction", and then he has his reads, where he's scumreading Jade/Sunfan/Shado/me? The problem is I'm not exactly sure how his reaction LEADS to his reads. Like I'm not exactly understanding how he is coming up with a scumread on Shado, and his only posts on me are:

Slank cover for not posting more because you know talking more will lead to us getting you if you're wolf

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhg

I liked you sooooo muuuuuuuuuuch

whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

He's literally only scumreading me for inactivity.

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So where am I at?

I want to lynch either one of Xel or Jade. Sunfan feels like probable scum because he hasn't really done any solving at all Today; his posts feel more like window dressing to me and it's possible that he pocketed me earlier in the game with the defense. Plus, four townies on his wagon thing which is not super strong but is a Thing.

Xel feels more like scum because his push on Shado feels very agenda-related; he doesn't care how he'll look after Shado flips since it feels like he's sealing the final mislynch.

Shado I think is possible town in Xel!scum worlds. His posts Today feel like a townie trying to solve the game. I'm sorry, AA and others, if I lose the game because I get pocketed by Shado; his posts feel like they have real heart to them.

wineandbread is ??? maybe town? His posts addressed to me feel townie to me at least. I don't know; I'll look at him if we start lynching scum and the game continues. If he's scum then he has scumbuddies, which are probably Xel and Jade.

Ditto with MML. I'm a little unnerved as he keeps vacillating his read on me/says that he's going to sort me but doesn't, but lots of people said he's town and I'm willing to trust dead townies. I'll re-evaluate if the game goes on.

If anyone wants to engage me about my reads or my view of the gamestate, feel free to.

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

Oh shit multiquoting works over multiple pages? TIL



The thing about you that I felt was weird which MML/Haku have touched on is that you seem more antagonistic this game than I would expect. Maybe somebody else can comment, and since I've never played a wolf game with you, but it strikes me weird the way you lashed out at Lar and Shado



This brings me to my two views I guess.
One is where you, Shado, is a wolf. In which case, I'm not that sure on your partners.
The other is where Xel and MML are partners (with Jade maybe?). It's the unwavering attitude from both of them that is messing with my head right now. They are bursting with confidence from a source that I don't have.

@Xel: I find it interesting that you haven't actually voted for Shado despite all your talk. Why do you insist on being the hammer rather than the second vote?

BOLDED I agree with.
Except, sunfan hasn't lashed out at me I don't think. I'd say more insidious than antagonistic, considering he kinda fueled AA's fire in tunneling on me but didn't do much of the work himself.
I don't like sunfan staying in the background, but I think he does a fair bit of that as either alignment.

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

late be back in a few hours

[Hakulyte]

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I've been rereading the entire thread paying attention to Jade and I can confirm that it's mostly filler and grouping/pairing which is honestly completely useless in this game state.

I feel like FreezinIce would have yelled at me for doing pairs instead of jumping in my sandbox.

[ShadoWolfe]

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Yeah man it's totally impossible for wolves to coordinate
Not to mention the second most voted was witch, who we know now was town.

I don't see how you can even say this about that EoD, dude.
Maybe it's cause you replaced in, but go back and LOOK at the votecounts leading up to that.
It was four wagons all towards the end of that. Also the atmosphere was volatile as fuck. There's no way I try to pull town OFF a mislynch there if I were wolf. but yeah super late now BBL

[inDheart]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

Votes from post 3119 to post 3537
Night in 6:52:30
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 1 -- ShadoWolfe -- MixMasterLar (31)
• 1 -- unvote -- Hakulyte (165)
• 6 -- not voting -- Prophylaxis (10), ShadoWolfe (79), thesunfan (60), TWG Jade Harley (29), Wineandbread (20), XelNya (21)

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

Correction: I think should not claim unless he's about to get lynched.

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

Is the "assigned killer" decided randomly by the host?