TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

[This will be my only character breaking post. Since there seems to be confusion that is distracting people, I am freezin and this is an alt I made specifically to roleplay as Jade Harley, which I will be doing for the duration of this game following this post. I will be active tonight after work. *ollies out*]

wow

I am choosing to not let this affect my reads-making attempts tho

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

going through your ISO, why is there so much shading of people in it shado?

His reads mostly echoed things that had been said, with Charu and one or two other people being notably different than previous things dropped in thread. I called him out on it. I was actually hoping he'd respond to that at the time, but whatever. There a problem?
You should be familiar with my playstyle, is there anything that stood out?
I call em how I seem em, where I see em, when I see em. I've always played like this. If you don't like it, idk what to tell you.

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

here's most of shado's progression on mellon, please read the spoiler

Hah! You were on my mind cause of "hiiiiiyoooooo" and then 0posts after, not even a "geez so many shitposts! I'm out, night!"
But yeah that isn't alignment indicative imo, I only said I wanted to see more of yoy. Funny that you're so defensive about it, though...

shado shades raeko here for being overly defensive, after she'd been called out by MML and then shado for not posting much

In the postgame of the game itself, when responding to everyone hating on you for succeeding at staying UTR:

Go read the postgame, you wouldn't have even made it close to the end if not for staying UTR. The "dumbtell" only helped towards the end.




Maybe. But saying "And mellonxcollie" in response to Haku's "Requesting a TWG Jade Harley post." after she popped in with a "hiyo" and disappeared isn't quite the same thing, wouldn't you agree?

he then goes on to say that her victory in the SK game was largely due to being UTR, which understandably makes mellon mad

Unvote
Say what you'd like about lame/annoying metareads, but my vote's going on mellon if she doesn't start posting.

In the game she won as SK by being UTR, she told "her haters" to suck it up 'cause it worked out for her. The following game (FE), she was wolf again and won by replacing an inactive Zenith and remaining mostly UTR for the rest of the game. While I applauded that at the time, both times, what tends to happen when you play back-to-back UTR strats is that you neatly get that added to your meta. If you don't like it, play a couple of active wolf games to change your meta. As it is, I don't care how high the horse is you're trying to be on by saying that reading you by activity is annoying. Post, or get lynched.

what's great about this part is that she hasn't posted anything since earlier up until here, and now it's coming to ultimatums already "post or get lynched", yet he's unwilling to even vote her for pressure?

Not as out of the blue as you might think. Read her ISO. Nine posts total this game, seven of which are defending herself by calling everyone who's noted her absence a wolf.

mellonxcollie til further notice

and then after charu says that this is out of the blue, then he votes mellon? why do you have to say "until further notice", why didn't you vote her initially, and then

lol she posted a lot last game, and she only slowed down towards the end.
The reason people were townreading her from D0? She was actually present.
Idgaf at this point. There's other people still in the background since the shitpost phase ended (witch, DBP, freezin, xel, roundbox to a certain extent), but it's odd to me that she's been able to come in to defend herself and tell Charu that she's here and he should talk, but then having nothing else to add.
Also weird that she thinks anyone who notes her absence is a wolf.

this post is just in here, continue to the next one please

I was planning on just leaving the first post and moving on with my life, but she explicitly said the only way to pressure her is to leave a vote.

see:

why do you feel the need to justify your voting her in terms of what she said? I see nothing wrong with the pressure vote in and of itself, but the way in which you made it combined with your justification of it seems gross

Why's that?
Something a little more specific than "she seemed genuine" would be nice, please.

now he wants haku to give something more specific for him townreading her, but she still hasn't posted anything more or content, so how is that a reasonable expectation?

Look..

What I see is a tilted raeko who's tired of being wolf read based on activity.
I also see an excessively defensive raeko who specifically called me wolfish for saying "and mellonxcollie" in response to you saying you wanted to see more of Jade Harley.
I see that same raeko leaving after leaving a couple of seemingly genuine comments outlining how upset she is. If there's one thing she excels in, it's posting seemingly genuine comments about an event that affects her.

The way I see it:
a) she can start sharing her thoughts and posting some stuff in thread
b) she can continue to fixate on people wanting her to post more, leaving defensive comments, and disappearing after doing so
c) she can say she's busy, post a little tidbit here and there, and stay largely UTR

In cases b and c, I'm 100% fine with keeping my vote and seeing her lynched.
If case a starts to happen, I'll likely be moving my vote.

It's literally that simple.

more ultimatums here, it's not always black and white. I think shado is playing very level 1 here with respect to mellon and I know he's not a level 1 player

[Hakulyte]

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are you being serious here?

I haven't seen anything in rules about that specifically tbh.

The only thing I saw was that alts couldn't impersonate other players.

I just assumed that alts were supposed to tell who they are as well, but apparently I'm wrong.

[mellonxcollie]

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People that seem towny to me so far:

I like Haku. He seems genuine. The vote on himself is just ? but seems like something town Haku would do. It seems kinda ballsy for a wolf to do for no reason

Lar has bad reads imo but I think that makes him look more towny in my eyes?

Proph's read list seemed good to me and the content he's had while he's been around looks good. Mostly a tone thing for this read

AA seems pretty good at least for today. He's been asking a lot of questions from multiple different players and he seems like the town AA I'd expect

I liked thesunfan's reads list as well, but I found the style he posted them in to be a bit odd, since I haven't seen him write many "essays" like that recently. However I liked the content of his posts

[Hakulyte]

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I like Haku. He seems genuine. The vote on himself is just ? but seems like something town Haku would do. It seems kinda ballsy for a wolf to do for no reason

Yey you like me!

...for self-voting?

ugh.

[AragakiAyase]

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His reads mostly echoed things that had been said, with Charu and one or two other people being notably different than previous things dropped in thread. I called him out on it. I was actually hoping he'd respond to that at the time, but whatever. There a problem?
You should be familiar with my playstyle, is there anything that stood out?
I call em how I seem em, where I see em, when I see em. I've always played like this. If you don't like it, idk what to tell you.

I'm fine with you calling people out, I'm not fine with how you're doing it

you seem to be wording it so that it comes across as more subtle and serves to make the player look bad without so much encouraging them to change their behavior and do things differently. the end result is that you can continue to be "suspicious" of them while not even really pointing out clearly what you dislike and why you dislike it. so essentially, free suspicion with no threat of a pushback

first you did it to mellon, then charu in the next post, then proph, and there may be more examples that I've missed

to clarify what I mean, here's what you're doing and here's what I think is not shading, yet still getting your point across:

shading: "funny that you're so defensive about it, though..."
not shading: "why are you so defensive about someone calling you out for not posting?" (of note is that this is more how MML is doing it, which is probably why I like how he's pushed on mellon more)

shading: ".... Nice! Not sure if omgus or opportunistic, but whaaatever."
not shading: "what's up with the sudden switch here? I can't tell if you're being opportunistic or omgusing here"

shading: "Not at all very impressed with the larger "reads list" post this came from, tbh.."
not shading: "didn't really like this reads post, it feels like it could have used more x y and z. proph, can you do x y and z? why didn't you?"

I realize I'm nitpicking heavily on wording here, but I think it's important because this is something I see wolves do a lot: they shade someone without trying to get them to actually change their behavior

[mellonxcollie]

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Yey you like me!

...for self-voting?

ugh.

yes that is one reason. Also your posting style and casualness of your tone, it seems very natural

[XelNya]

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Lar has bad reads imo but I think that makes him look more towny in my eyes?

Would you say rather that while you think his reads you can at least say the proper work is there

[XelNya]

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yes that is one reason. Also your posting style and casualness of your tone, it seems very natural

Self voting is almost always bad

What

[AragakiAyase]

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a few more things:

I think xel and sunfan are not w/w because of how sunfan called xel out for doing the same thing with his shitposting as he did last game. I think if they were partners sunfan would be much more likely to either not mention xel there or spin it so it puts him in a better light.

for the same reason, I think shado and sunfan are not w/w because of how sunfan mentioned shado seeming too jokey like last game, and shado's reaction to it

[Charu]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

Xel, I'm a wolf.

[DaBackpack]

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Unvote
Say what you'd like about lame/annoying metareads, but my vote's going on mellon if she doesn't start posting.

In the game she won as SK by being UTR, she told "her haters" to suck it up 'cause it worked out for her. The following game (FE), she was wolf again and won by replacing an inactive Zenith and remaining mostly UTR for the rest of the game. While I applauded that at the time, both times, what tends to happen when you play back-to-back UTR strats is that you neatly get that added to your meta. If you don't like it, play a couple of active wolf games to change your meta. As it is, I don't care how high the horse is you're trying to be on by saying that reading you by activity is annoying. Post, or get lynched.

I feel like this post is important

"I want to vote for mellon for inactivity and this post is me legitimizing that kind of vote via getting on a high horse of my own"

it reads like a way to avoid getting shit on for making a shitty easy vote

and on top of that, he doesn't actually FOLLOW THROUGH with a vote when he very easily could have, which feels like he's testing the waters

[AragakiAyase]

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I feel like this post is important

"I want to vote for mellon for inactivity and this post is me legitimizing that kind of vote via getting on a high horse of my own"

it reads like a way to avoid getting shit on for making a shitty easy vote

and on top of that, he doesn't actually FOLLOW THROUGH with a vote when he very easily could have, which feels like he's testing the waters

yes so much yes

please also read my spoiler

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

FWIW, I absolutely think he's right in his assessment that these things get added to a meta, but USING THAT as justification for making an unpopular vote feels scummy as hell