TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

okay i have to wash the dishes and clean the kitchen before i do anything else i will be back in 30. mike i seriously encourage you to consider the philosophy of needle-in-a-haystack and re-read the thread

[ShadoWolfe]

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I really don't like Xiz aorn. His progression on sunfan seemed really opportunistic. He goes from saying sunfan is null (but that he doesn't want him dead today), to wanting him lynched asap really really quickly.

In other news, sunfan is no longer town to me, hes null. Mostly from lack of mindmeld and I dislike his evolution of reads. I probably will want him dead but I rather not have him dead today.

I don't like a lot of what people have done this game.

- Sunfan could be a wolf, but I just said why. I still doubt it, and rather deal with him later then a dead sunfan d1.
[shrug]

To seeing an opportunity when Vendetta came in out of nowhere with a vote on sunfan:

shit we mindmelded

greg im only here for like another 20 if you wanna talk now is the time

shit, thought you were gone

why do you care about mindmelding with me
why do you think you forgot about jrodd
do you think that raeko is too active to be a wolf
what do you think about the reads on her activity

also what are you shooting tomorrow

To escalating all the way to a "let's lynch him today", for something that wasn't even said. It reads to me like Xiz got a little excited when he saw Vendetta's vote, and that translated to being trigger-happy over perceptions made too quickly:

Also sunfan moved from null not wanting to lynch to wolf status.

I would never be that obvious about if I was a vigi sunfan, town sunfan would know that. I'm now fine with him dying.

Considering that "what are you shooting tomorrow" should obviously refer to the filming that Xiz mentioned was being done, and that Xiz would have no reason to escalate that quickly over something that small unless he really wanted sunfan dead and saw an opportunity in V's vote.

[ShadoWolfe]

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honestly i'm zeroing in on xiz right now because i think he made a mistake, and in my head i have a plausible narrative for that. xiz said he mindmelded with me, if you've played TWG with me when i'm human you know that i am extremely convincing and i will continue applying pressure.

here i was skimming the thread and just throwing initial impressions out, i didn't read the thread thoroughly. i voted sunfan based off a couple posts because they triggrered my day 1 "wolves like to do this" radar for neutrality, i thought sunfan was being excessively neutral but i also have sigs and avatars disabled and 500 posts is a lot to sift through. xiz, having been wolfing me last game and having a successful day 1 off of it when we killed mike, might have seen that and gone, "yeah, v is focusing a human, let me empower him"

except i was actually completely wrong in my evaluation because i remembered a few post during my skim and not all of the sunfans posts, but he told me he mindmelded with me on something that is wrong, and i see the ostensible reason as empowering me to keep going. i re-read the posts and realized my read of sunfan was completely unjustified.

so i asked the question, "why did xiz come to the same conclusions i did when he was reading and posting more than me? my conclusions were bullshit" i assumed it was because he remembered last game where i very easily killed mike just by isolating him and grilling him on day 1, but am still not sure.

he doubled down on the reads and is posturing as though they are his own, so i want to know what he saw that caused him to mindmeld with me about a post that i think wasn't accurate to reality. i want him to post specific examples to justify his thinking because it currently seems like its parroting mine from when i was being rushed and lazy, which i am willing to accept, but my spidey senses are tingling here because it's weird for someone else to focus on the same two posts that ignored a bunch of others...

Ninja'd from before my last post :O
Yeah I'm liking V here for his natural progression on voting sunfan and for our mindmeld on Xiz

[ShadoWolfe]

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Also, @Tokzic, VC please?

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

@inD what's going on with you?
I'd expect much more analytical posts from you by this time. A quick ISO of you shows a lot of jokes and half-jokes, and some content. It seems really shallow, though, and you don't seem invested in the game at all. Is something the matter, or are you just wolfing it?

[ShadoWolfe]

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well i suppose this has merit too

you guys not having doublecross to pass the time must have sucked

Whoa whoa whoa..

Can you explain that for me? Why does "not having doublecross to pass the time" suck? How does doublecross pass the time?
All tiredness aside, this really seems like its written from the perspective of someone playing on a wolfteam with doublecross..
Like, I try to read every post as if they were written from town or scum perspectives, and this one just doesn't make sense unless you're wolf with a doublecross teammate (or you're doublecross yourself).

[XelNya]

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Whoa whoa whoa..

Can you explain that for me? Why does "not having doublecross to pass the time" suck? How does doublecross pass the time?
All tiredness aside, this really seems like its written from the perspective of someone playing on a wolfteam with doublecross..
Like, I try to read every post as if they were written from town or scum perspectives, and this one just doesn't make sense unless you're wolf with a doublecross teammate (or you're doublecross yourself).

straight fire

[ShadoWolfe]

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Just finished a skim of meno's ISO. Not too sure because he's really devoid of content aside from two posts about disliking AA this game, but I'm putting him as slight-town because his apathy just seems like generally his genuine attitude for D0. If I had to guess, I'd say he hasn't given a fuck about sharing shit because he undervalues the info you can get from simply engaging in discourse with other players (which is sort of evidenced by his "summary of everything that's happened so far").

I disagree with his outlook on D0, but I don't think that necessarily stems from a scummy mindset. Slight-town for now, but this will be heavily dependent on his play from tomorrow onwards (as he won't have the D0 excuse).

[XelNya]

Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

I did this a lot more differently than usual, in case you're like "wait xel wtf is dis"

Mellon:

This is the only post from page one that has any value

omg game is finally here

so i guess the new wolves are smarter than we were

This post is bad for a really important reason. It comes off as a cover via "I didn't roll wolf twice in a row."

I really dislike this post. If it wasn't a bit of a shit-post I'd have instantly scum read you for it.

I'm not saying it is less likely to happen in the future, I'm saying it's less likely that they used it during Night 0. If they used their sabo power and then not make a kill on the same target, it would be a complete waste of the power and they wouldn't be able to use it for another whole night phase.

there could have been some sort of other role that blocked the kill somehow or something, I'm not sure in this setup.

Tone-wise this post is good. Content-wise, my complaint is that she should know that sabo is two night cool down, not one, and you should know if blocking a kill is possible (hint: there's three possible ways.) Especially if you played in the last game.

ok let's see

people I feel pretty good about:
Shadow
Xel
Jrodd
inD

Not sure:
Xiz
AA
Meno
Haku

Bad feeling:
V - Where are you V? Contrasts sharply to the interest you were showing in the game/setup last week. and I know you have been know to go UTR as a wolf. Either way you're not helping progress the game much and I'm getting sketchy vibes
Sunfan - vibes I'm getting. It is a tone read but it's like he is posting in a paranoid and stiff manner. When I get these vibes about Sunfan in the early game I always doubt and ignore them but I am usually right?

Why would you clarify the only the scum leans? No one expects a quote wall here but?

I liked how he dove right into the game without hesitation. He brought up a few points that had entered my mind, so it seemed like he was genuine in his reads. He focused on many different players which is a town like trait. I especially liked this post he made

Gonna actually say I like this post.

AA:

xel is tryharding? wolf

xel

This post is really funny.

yeah actually wouldn't they be dumber because there wasn't a night 0 kill?

actually there wasn't a night 0 kill

See this post gets me now that I kinda think on it.

hey maybe the lack of nightkill means there's no sabo wolf

none of the wolves are wolf-immune though? what are you suggesting?

i just have to figure something else happened

no I mean in the first round didn't sabo use their power to ensure kill went through? or am I misremembering? wolves could be scared of self-kill

UHG. Now that I am rereading this I am liking you less and less. Because I don't think you'd actually speculate the wolves are scared of a self-kill, because the chances might be super random but statistically they probably have a super high chance of netting a town first go. Later in the game sure, you'd have more reason to be scared but not this early?

I dunno. This is feeling way more off to me than it did earlier.

Sabo guarantees that they can hit a town, yes

if there's no sabo in the setup it puts the wolves at risk of self-kill, hence they might have no killed n0

worth keeping as food for thought

But you know and realize the stratigic nature of not going for the garunteed kill with no information? Like let me theory craft a little on mindsets here and it may just be how I'd approach it but there's like, zero reason to drop sabo unless you've never wolfed before and are scared? I dunno. I don't see the advantage of securing an early kill vs netting an informed one later.

I don't care about that part

I care about why it seemed like you thought someone was townreading him and wanted to throw shade at that read (or at least that's how it seemed), and then you pass off the original question as passive aggressive sarcasm

you may misinterpret questions habitually but I'm being extra specific and you still seem to be misinterpreting what I say and it seems like you're doing it on purpose

This is a good post though. Gotta give you that.

Don't understand how me not always doing exactly what I was thinking of doing is Wolfy
Gjge

Ew.

what do you dislike about xiz posts so far? same with raeko? why do you have concerns about V but are fine with shado?

This post is a little more gross in hindsight. Because I played it off as "alright maybe he was just skimming."

jrodd do you have a read on me?

Wait.

Maybe xizu is actually onto something. I haven't seen his case as of writing this but?

what do you think of my response to shado? agree/disagree there?

....

Jrod:

Your tone sounds tryhardy, not sure if fake

Haven't you played enough with AA to know his tone is this disgustinly neutral one unless he's tilted?

Ok bed time no real reads yet no one seems wolfy xoxoxoxoxoxo

It's been forever since I've played with you, but didn't you used to be a lot more aggresive early on or am I full of shit / confusing it with live twg?

villa circle so far

jrodd
xelnya
indheart
xiz/raeko

Wai u no explain

it's a pressure vote, we can only see what one truly is when their back is against the wall

This is not something I'd expect you to say wtf is this shit

Haku:

Can someone explain me why thesunfan is town?

Oh for fuck's sake.

This is trolling.


After playing Turbo X with him, this follow up makes no sense to me.

Flashback to Turbo with KnightsoftheNee/thesunfan who talked about him not having an avatar as wolf. #role tide tier

Sounds staged because he's expecting lol early calls by people like me.
Bold is a direct reference to me.

Appeal to emotions kinda. Makes you want to just go like "yeah, I feel for ya man".

Anyway, he's kinda aggro red flag friendly for me.

My wording was sarcasm.

/cringe

If you're wolf, you should get voted.
If you're town, you should be worried for your life after I die.

gl

thesunfan

/stabs a kitten with a chainsaw

I feel like I'm getting teamed by AA/thesunfan openly and I'm assuming that "if they're wolves", the most logical reason to get me lynched based on my flip would be because they can change my flip to red.

I'm assuming wolves had time to talk with each others during N0 and come up with some strats and they're both pretty capable players.

JEEZ this is actually a super good post from you.

Like, wow.

So, I've been wondering a few things;

1.) Why did no one die N0?
2.) Why aren't we doing something similar as the first game to take advantage of the setup?
3.) Is there some value behind claiming things to take advantage of the setup?
4.) Where's ShadoWolfe?

1. Why aren't you postulating your own thoughts as a starting point?
2. Why aren't you steering the game to that direction?
3. ???
4. Dicks.

Xiz:

anyway
AA wolf
sunfan probably wolf, will check again when I care
melon feels wolfy too

Xelnya feels really towny

idc about anyone else

Fuck me I'm pocketed at this point and I don't even notice it, way to go xiz for making me feel retarded

fuck me man xiz just stfu and take my town read

Xiz: I'm serious
AA: Why, show me the posts
Xiz: [Shows posts]
AA: You are not reading my posts correctly
Xiz: Cool, but I read them like this
AA: Okay cool, but your wrong.
Xiz: Nah I think i'm right.
AA: But your wrong.


There I did our conversation.

I also missed this post originally.

How. It's funny af because it's true af.

V:

peeked AA green

balance of probability suggests the vigi died last night

I still don't get it.

/side note: being too lazy to go through his later posts around like pg 30, I love those posts.

Sunfan:

you may be right

Baring xiz, he is right.

xel, you feel weird to me

That early ping.

I like haku a lot
I like raeko almost as much, watch me be wrong on her though
while I was eating just now, I got a townread on shado. I think it makes sense for him as town to notice that I'm being different and ask why. Even after I responded he seemed kinda skeptical and I kinda like that.
meno is my n0

wolves are outside of that
I don't really dislike anyone other than xel atm

This is a townie greggles post

this is what townie greggles looks leik

its not really what I would or wouldn't expect from xel, its not something that I think most people say without it being forced

V is... concerning or whatever the exact words were don't really feel genuine. Yeah, V hadn't posted much, but concerning is a pretty broad word, especially to put at the end of a short thought like that. He hasn't really seemed too concerned by V either.

I dunno if you think me to be a player who would use a forced phrase or not. I'll just say it's just a wtf post, especially compared to the posts I got too lazy to go over later. Not being in the last game and only skimming it on breaks at work to pass time, if it's a joke I clearly would see it and be wtf.

InD:

haku can you explain your "chaos wolf confirmed" comment

Aye post is aye.

*gestures to the setup*

this is really early to say because
1. targeting is indirect
2. wolves must target humans (they can't set up you as one of their adversaries and paint you that way)

although a red flip would be pretty noisy for sure

Would you consider it a dumb-tell that Haku doesn't kow that wolves can use only one PR a night bar double cross?

i like this xel post he can be town for now

What is townie about it in your opinion?

ShadoWolfe:

Yo soonfun, what's with all your self-meta posts this game?

Aye.

241

I can kinda see it as an attempt to confirm if he's actually accomplishing a pocket or not. Sure.

I can't really see Haku doing this as town or scum tbh. Just doesn't seem like something Haku would come up with and implement.

Take easily provoked player
take player who does things he thinks will work
haku is smart enough to know that a lot of people can be provoked by him doing weird things in an at tempt to get the game going

I dunno. I could see it.

Fair enough. I guess I could see that as a basis for that question.


Why's this? Missed it the first time, but it didn't seem alignment indicative to me. Do you just like it when peeps say they don't know things?


It's not. A good part of your scumhunting is always forceful. I expect forcefulness from you. That part seemed off to me because it's what you were being forceful about that stuck out. It seemed like an inane thing to fixate on. Wasn't sure if you were just trying to pick something to be forceful about in attempt to seem town or not.


Yeah.. I think I might've been tunneling a bit at that point. A little over an hour ago, I would've sworn that you were a wolf who was scummily trying to frame me when I wasn't here.
Don't really think that's the case anymore after reading both my initial issues with you and your responses.


I read all the posts up until that point. I got the feeling she was being genuine. I said I wanted to look more closely into it, but that those were my initial thoughts. There a problem with that?



I thought it was redundant in that I thought he'd answer yes, but I thought it was a pointless thing to fixate on because he made it clear he thought you were acting scummy. I see where you're coming from, just not sure of your intentions.



All the rest of your posts? They seemed pretty par for the course, from what I remember. You're very hard to read, so I guess I might've fixated on what I thought was a bigger issue than it was in the hopes that I had caught you slipping. The fact that I responded to a post you hadn't even directed at me kinda shows me how tunneled I was, so I'ma reassess and move you back to null for now.

Love this post as a whole both tone-wise and content wise.

What alarms me though is the lack of being super disgustingly proactive.

Uhg I can't be fucked to do the rest of this, let me just sum up where I'm at atm.

1. j-rodd
2. inDheart
3. thesunfan
4. Raeko
5. Meno
6. ShadoWolfe
7. Vendetta21
8. AragakiAyase
10. Hakulyte
11. Xiz

Dark Orange is my lynch pool.
Teal is my I'm unsure, but I wouldn't lynch you. (Town lean.)
Regular text is my null list. (Type: Null.)
Green is townie pile no lynch today unless shit gets real.

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

welp i finished the dishes and nothing new from anyone. i hope that i have not stalled the game bny making a convincing case against xiz, i think there are many good reading eyes besides the two i have

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

V:

I still don't get it.

/side note: being too lazy to go through his later posts around like pg 30, I love those posts.

uhh what i'm one of the lowest postcount people in the thread why can't you dicipher my most recent posts i am not making subtle and elaborate plays everything i do is so basic and simple

[Vendetta21]

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like you quoted my first post which is absent any reading, it was a;most a joke post. have you decided im not worth reading?

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

xelnya do you have an internal tempo for d1 reads?

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

it's always suspicious to me when someone reads greater than 50% town and just miraculously can't find anything wolfy early game

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD

they're all town, obviously! there is no one i want to lynch, ughh,, this is too hard just decide for me