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  • Charu
    Snivy! Dohoho!
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Mar 2006
    • 6207

    #1231
    Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

    I hate using "viewer list" to read people too, but dems the break.

    Now that I think about it, backpack was also on there last night


    Originally posted by JohnRedWolf87
    Charu the red-nosed Snivy
    Had a very shiny nose
    And if you ever saw it
    You could even say it glows

    All of the other Snivies
    Used to laugh and call him names
    They never let poor Charu
    Join in any Snivy games

    (Click the arrow to see the rest)


    Originally posted by Vendetta21
    All in all I would say that Charu not only won this game, his play made me reconsider how I play it.

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    • Charu
      Snivy! Dohoho!
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Mar 2006
      • 6207

      #1232
      Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

      So, I think wolves are being super quiet, as per fucking usual in FFR TWG.

      You wanna know why people call these games cancer? It's because of you boring fucks not making the game interesting.

      I hope you all get modkilled if that's the wolves plan of action.


      Originally posted by JohnRedWolf87
      Charu the red-nosed Snivy
      Had a very shiny nose
      And if you ever saw it
      You could even say it glows

      All of the other Snivies
      Used to laugh and call him names
      They never let poor Charu
      Join in any Snivy games

      (Click the arrow to see the rest)


      Originally posted by Vendetta21
      All in all I would say that Charu not only won this game, his play made me reconsider how I play it.

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      • danceflashrevo
        scumfan is scared of aa
        • Sep 2007
        • 488

        #1233
        Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

        Originally posted by XelNya
        I didn't say I disagreed with the push. In fact I even said it's not "bad" pressure. The short hand of where I was going is that I doubt that would have happened if Charu wasn't on you.
        I doubt the way I did it would've happened. I'm pretty sure that my vote would've landed on her eventually this phase, hence why she was the one that I voted. But the push came from charu encouraging me to actually do something with it or make some sort of case, which I feel is encouraging to my play in general as it's something that I don't really do.

        Why are you here?

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        • danceflashrevo
          scumfan is scared of aa
          • Sep 2007
          • 488

          #1234
          Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

          tfw botchi only has two more posts than AA

          Why are you here?

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          • Charu
            Snivy! Dohoho!
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Mar 2006
            • 6207

            #1235
            Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

            Now if everyone that is active at the moment is a wolf though, then I applaud you. But I'm preeeetty certain that's not the case.


            Originally posted by JohnRedWolf87
            Charu the red-nosed Snivy
            Had a very shiny nose
            And if you ever saw it
            You could even say it glows

            All of the other Snivies
            Used to laugh and call him names
            They never let poor Charu
            Join in any Snivy games

            (Click the arrow to see the rest)


            Originally posted by Vendetta21
            All in all I would say that Charu not only won this game, his play made me reconsider how I play it.

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            • Hakulyte
              the Haku
              • Jul 2005
              • 4697

              #1236
              Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

              Originally posted by XelNya
              One more before I go to shower:

              Huh, did you come to the conclusion I came to but haven't said yet? (I think someone else is there too, I'll have to recheck though.)
              He's simply the most logical vote at this very moment due to his EoD double vote change, his AFKness, his detective mode being turned off and because nothing special came out of him vs Precarious.

              I'm not seeing a regular DBP here.
              His only read is like "I think Haku is Town".

              I'm cool with being town-read, but not like that. It's like he wanted to avoid interaction with me.

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              • AragakiAyase
                Waifus
                • Apr 2015
                • 961

                #1237
                Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

                Votes from post 960 to post 1236
                Night in 8:05:43

                ---
                • Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
                • 1 -- DaBackpack -- Hakulyte (48)
                • 1 -- unvote -- Charu (90)
                • 7 -- not voting -- DaBackpack (4), juckter1 (7), mellonxcollie (2), Precarious (12), roundbox (23), ShadoWolfe (24), XelNya (13)

                pikakirby123 reincarnated





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                • Hakulyte
                  the Haku
                  • Jul 2005
                  • 4697

                  #1238
                  Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

                  @ Zenith quoting my early game

                  Well, I guess if you take the entirety of everything I say out of context like that, I can guarantee that it will make me look bad. You can come up to a similar conclusion for all my games because I don't tend to play properly and still leave a lot of these type of posts.

                  As for ShadoWolfe, you're targeting him for the exact same reason that I've kept mislynching him. We don't all play the same way and if you don't realize that, well fml. Also, afaik, no one counterclaimed him yet and the only person who didn't read his claim is botchi. (well, unless other players don't fully read the thread)

                  I believe wolf ShadoWolfe would be even more greedy than this current one. I know he has quite the attitude, but I don't think he broke his town quota yet.

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                  • Hakulyte
                    the Haku
                    • Jul 2005
                    • 4697

                    #1239
                    Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

                    Originally posted by _Zenith_
                    Was it you who said I had cookie-cutter reads? If so, literally fuck you, read your own reads.

                    At this point I actually refuse to isolate Haku any longer.
                    Did you notice how I typed "Null town-lean", "Null wolf-lean" and even added a "?" after some of them? It's subtle, but it's a lot better than Null, Null, Null etc.
                    Most of my early reads at this game are tone/interactions and I wanted to keep this as a point of reference for the future.

                    I also developed on my reads as the game progressed and it has served its own purpose if you kept reading.

                    FreezinIce being one of them, but also a big fml due his lack of interaction with players that aren't Gradiant.
                    My Precarious wolf-lean forced me to interact with him as well. I got pissed, but I eventually figured that's just how his meta works.

                    Also, there's a few of these that I just had no idea at all what they were doing due the sheer amount of activity.

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                    • ShadoWolfe
                      FFR Player
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 171

                      #1240
                      Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

                      Here's where I'm at rn:

                      I quoted three posts by Botchi earlier. I will be addressing them as "first", "second", and "third" in this post, so you may refer to my post here.

                      The first one, his "reads list", I had issues with because he said that I would yield juicy morsels to dissect upon my flip. I consider it a slight scumtell to suggest a lynch based on "all the info we'd get", if you don't mention exactly what kind of info you'd get off a town flip. I'm not alone in this, and a lot of "theorists" on mafiascum share the same view (from what I've read in wiki and forum). This is especially true in my mind if you're acting like a mislynch will yield a ton of juicy information on Day 0!

                      In the same post, he also wrote his "read" of Precarious, which read more like an aside for Precarious to read: "this dude can really write some long posts (/wrists), why are you voting for me? From your analysis of me, I don't really see your pov. You don't know me, so I appreciate the raw read, but everything I have said has been for town's greater good. This vote is weak with weak sauce to back it up". That may be the weakest defense I've ever read, basically saying "you don't know me, so don't lynch me" LOL. I also reeally didn't like the part where he says, "everything I have said has been for town's greater good", mainly because being that certain of "town's greater good" in D0 is shady af, to say the least. I also have to note that that quote made me laugh because of "everything I have said" amounting to roughly as many posts as the moderator.

                      Last point about Botchi's read list: He puts juckter in his "lynch pile", and freezin in his "do not lynch" pile. While the FreezinIce placement is WIFOM and he may have just had a good read on him, his placement of juckter is confusing and weird and maybe even bad. He cites inactivity, then notes that he's doing the same thing (hypocrisy), then says "still, his lack of work sucks". With that weirdness in his one-lined read of juckter, let's move on to his next post.

                      Oh, interesting. He's rethought his placement of juckter and doesn't think he should be lynched D0, unless town wants to lynch him, in which case, Botchi would like to reassure us that he will also vote him. This is a textbook case of bussing, and was one of the bases I used for saying there are likely "multiple wolves in Botchi, Juckter, DBP, and roundbox".

                      Alright. Cool.. Let's move on to the third post I quoted.

                      Here, he's responding to Precarious. Two parts struck me as weird. First, in defending his inactivity this game, he didn't say "oh, shit was going on, blah blah", or even, "I was really busy and couldn't keep up", or even "I'm just not feeling TWG right now". Instead, he said specifically "flying UTR is kinda my pattern and it's not alignment indicative". Almost as if he had planned on sticking to his pattern. This wouldn't be a lot on its own, but it did stick out as hyperconsciousness of his own meta, that I don't normally see in town.

                      I'm not even going to talk about that final response being long, and yet being posted exactly at 8pm, or the fact that he used "park this here for now" about a literal last-minute vote, but all of the above is why I have Botchi as my strongest scum.





                      Originally posted by Hakulyte
                      I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
                      Originally posted by XelNya
                      " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
                      Originally posted by YoshL
                      "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
                      Originally posted by mellon_collie
                      "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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                      • ShadoWolfe
                        FFR Player
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 171

                        #1241
                        Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

                        Also, I'm very suspicious of Hakulyte, and feel it necessary to note that he should not be given a free pass every day, or even this day.

                        At first, I was reading Haku as "being haku" with his d0 wolfslips that have been posted and dismissed repeatedly. These are many and plainly available in his ISO, from his highfive to Charu when Charu mentioned the wolves congratulating him to asking "will a wolf answer this please". I do believe town Haku would also make these posts, but there's a critical aspect of town Haku that is entirely missing here in this game.

                        He's not lost. He's not frustrated. He's not confused. His posts have had exception clarity, and he's dug into people well, in well-articulated posts, using quotes of their own posts as reasoning. These all sound like good, towny traits, but it's not Haku. In other words, he seems like he actually knows who's who, and what's what. While he's tried to change his tone every game we've played, he ultimately reverts back to panicked Haku or fatalistic Haku at some point in D0, when the going gets tough and the pressure is on. There's none of that here, not even a hint of frustration or confusion. Him being this confident is really not a town-tell for Haku, and I think everyone needs to reassess their reads on him when they get a chance.





                        Originally posted by Hakulyte
                        I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
                        Originally posted by XelNya
                        " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
                        Originally posted by YoshL
                        "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
                        Originally posted by mellon_collie
                        "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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                        • ShadoWolfe
                          FFR Player
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 171

                          #1242
                          Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

                          Actually, you guys don't need to reassess.

                          Hey Haku, I'm shooting you tonight.

                          Nothing anyone else can say will change my mind in the slightest.





                          Originally posted by Hakulyte
                          I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
                          Originally posted by XelNya
                          " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
                          Originally posted by YoshL
                          "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
                          Originally posted by mellon_collie
                          "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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                          • Hakulyte
                            the Haku
                            • Jul 2005
                            • 4697

                            #1243
                            Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

                            So, you're shooting me for doing my job as town and trying to evolve from my self-destructing meta that usually leads to making me die Day 1.

                            Great.

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                            • Hakulyte
                              the Haku
                              • Jul 2005
                              • 4697

                              #1244
                              Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

                              In case you wonder, no I don't know what I'm doing.

                              I'm fucking lost with all these inactives.
                              I was frustrated as hell at the beginning of Day 2.
                              ..and the only thing saving me from confusion right now is that Precarious has badass read lists that goes hand in hand with that I think.

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                              • ShadoWolfe
                                FFR Player
                                • Jun 2009
                                • 171

                                #1245
                                Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

                                Originally posted by Hakulyte
                                So, you're shooting me for doing my job as town and trying to evolve from my self-destructing meta that usually leads to making me die Day 1.

                                Great.
                                I'm shooting you for not being genuine. But hey, if you're being honest then at least you'll be able to say "I was killed because I was too good for this game", and "I was killed because I got too good too fast". Right?





                                Originally posted by Hakulyte
                                I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
                                Originally posted by XelNya
                                " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
                                Originally posted by YoshL
                                "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
                                Originally posted by mellon_collie
                                "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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