TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

goddamn Charu put in serious work

[DaBackpack]

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I don't like precarious and shadow calling my push on precarious "weak" or "non-committal", I thought I had a good reason behind it

[danceflashrevo]

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why did you just paste edits over your previous reads? did really not that much change?

Basically. Got a null or two changed. It didn't feel like that long ago tbhwhich is why I just fetched it.

[danceflashrevo]

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actually i am really underwhelmed by dfr

i know from the game we were in together that he has the potential to be an active voice, and he's not showing that here

his incremental update to a reads list from a day and a half ago, and his oversimplification at reading the game's big events thus far, makes me think he hasn't been reading hard at the game like he seemed to be then

he mentioned being overwhelmed post-wise but "nervous, scared" might fit the bill better

Okay this is hella meta and idc if this affects your view of me but that was definitely my most vocal game ever. It's why I made the point why I was in the top 3 in post count. It kinda alarmed me lmao. I find myself underwhelming in this game in general /shrug

[danceflashrevo]

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I r mad at u dbp. Not really but please be back. In case I'm not back unvote

Roundbox showing up with some #hotreads

[DaBackpack]

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I'm starting with the lowest posters bc time

well i have finally finished reading all this stuff.
first of all, screw you charu for starting this game off with serious stuff. also, dont lynch charu

the more i read freezinice and gradiants exchanges, the more i think they are town vs. town. it feels to me that they both got excited early and then now are harboring "early-game paranoia" or EGP (<--lol) if you will.

a post like this immediately signals to me that botchi is town. you can call this a meta-read -- botchi doesn't usually put this much "critical thought" into his posts as a wolf. On top of that, he seems rather cool and collected, and less agitated, which reflects well on him

i suppose you could say you have immunity for d0. i say you should get wild and go crazy with this thread.

we see investment in the game's outcome by suggesting that Charu should take the lead here

this whole wagon thing.

it is consider hopping on a wagon if you are hoping to start a wagon. you do not have to vote for him, but your posts can indicate who you would be ok with lynching (lol ofc). Even if you are not attacking him, the previous sentence applies here. It really just depends on your intentions.

"Hey, guy #1 said stuff about this guy #2. I agree with guy #1, so i dont like #2." -jumpnig on wagon

"Hey, guy #1 said stuff about this guy #2. I agree with guy #1 but i dont want to judge #2 until i have made my own conclusions." -not jumping on the wagon

just examples ( i think they work)

this just isn't wolf botchi

[DaBackpack]

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I r mad at u dbp. Not really but please be back. In case I'm not back unvote

Roundbox showing up with some #hotreads

I know I fucked up not just now but this entire phase, all I can really do to defend myself atm is ask people to look at my tone over the phase

[roundbox]

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dfr AKA best vengeful LTWG player

hey guys i haven't posted that much grill me grill me

btw that was a lot of actual content. shadow jumped off of freezinice and then brushed it off as not important, when any interaction could be important. haku's being haku. i don't have to read charu this game or something. and yeah i think that's what i got so far.

commentary, not a read. rip u

Catching up more you hopped on DBP's suspicion of precarious. But tbf this playstyle could be observed in this past turbo where he was, in fact, a wolf. Meta reads yay. However if I recall correctly, precarious mentioned that he plays raw/mechanics regardless of role, I guess we might find out huh?

what does this mean? give me a read
he reads xel later in this post and says he likes his tone without examples

1. inHard (inDheart) - town from what i've seen, nothing sticking out
2. Hakuright (Hakulyte) - haku
3. R.e.ally Xi (R.E. Aryxi) - null
4. SurelyWolfe (Shadowolfe) - eh, null, not sure what to make yet. btw i liked the garfield comic.
6. Charuzard (Charu) - charu
7. Greatiant (Gradiant) - town in my book, i've liked town and content, but idk what to make of this secondary interaction w/ freezin just yet
8. FreezeInIce (FreezinIce) - null. if gradiant and freezin are w/v then i'm more likely to vote freezin because i haven't like his tone much, and it does feel ad hominemy which can be used to fluff up accusations with "content". claims others are mudslinging when he surely is too.
9. DaKnapsack (DaBackpack) - town, actual content.
10. PriCARius (Precarious) - still null, im not quite sure how to read precarious because he mentions himself that his play style is heavy mechanics and theory, but that's regardless of side and i'm not really sure what else to go off. the vote on dbp feels out of nowhere and also misguided but i don't scum read him for that
11. boundrocks (roundbox) - null
12. ho246 (botchi246) - null
13. Sell?Nah (XelNya) - town. i've liked his content thus far
14. Lucker1 (Juckter1) - town. also liked his content, feel like town contributing
15. melanxcholy (mellonxcollie) - eh null.

^somewhat reads. they're not very refined yet.

need evidence dawg. not even a slight wolf on precarious??

i town read aj

why

wolfe you seem to be a lot more aggressive in this game than the game/rerolls that I played with you most recently. Any reasons I would have that perception?

"tell me why you're weird"
come on DFR, you can do better than this

What I mean specifically by aggressiveness is you seem much more offensive this game. You were mislynched because town was being stupid.

does this mean you like him, or?? you have him as null in your reads and don't really make any commentary as to why he's null, even with this aggressive thing

Probably wouldn't lynch haku tonight unless someone convinces me otherwise. Charu this list you're putting out is fun to read lol

WHY? Citation missing

rereading i think shadows kinda unlikely to be wolf. not gonna lynch him either.

WHY? Citation missing

Is roundbox's meta to be more quiet as a wolf? He should def be pressured before EoD.

roundbox

I appreciate the pressure vote here, but this made me laugh pretty hard. No, being quiet is not my wolf meta, as far as I know.

tbf it's early, and he's a vet so he better fkin come for EoD cuz that'd be bad show if he didn't

juckter surely hasn't been a sore thumb and I feel like all of his content was genuine and town toned. if he were a wolf for some reason i feel like he'd be playing a lot different.

well, yeah, it WOULD be bad. it'd be different if I was in thread making baby posts instead of saying "I'll get caught up when I have time", which would fall in line more with the "quiet" meta you considered

After rereading juckter my town read stands. He doesn't have a lot of content. A lot of his posts are "catching up" and "brb" and stuff

but the posts that he has made have been original and seem to put himself out there, and I simply don't think he would do that as a wolf. One example of this is he goes out of his way to defend gradiant. inb4 they're wolf bros but I find that very unlikely.

I don't get this last line of reasoning, mostly because you make a very neutral response saying "yeah he's town for randomly defending this guy. he could be a wolf, but he's probably not because (oh I don't have a reason why he couldn't be a wolf for doing this)"

If a lot of his posts are catching up / brb and he hasn't yet, shouldn't he be a null read rather than a town read? Ay cool, he defended someone, but I don't think he's said enough at all to warrant anything more than a null and I struggle to reach that same conclusion.

<MINDMELD>
I know I'm not on xelnya yet, but this is exactly what I'm thinking

dfr, you're looking rather SUSPICIOUS!!

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

I'm going to be out and will be only here sporadically on my phone. I'll probably make eod with an hour to spare. Till then, just want to throw something out before I fall off for a while.

I think charu's analysis so far is the best comprehensive review of activity I could have asked for. Even if he is roasting me, I cant even be mad because that's pretty much the best someone could do from the outside looking in. I think he assigned alot of people certain roles based on first impressions and is changing his perception of everyone based on how they interact with his established paradigm. I won't judge if that's good or not until he finishes and I can see where it led him ultimately, but like dhart I found myself thinking/agreeing with alot of his points. I couldnt see myself voting for either of them even if charu hadn't outed himself already. Something that cropped up alot in his analysis is how much stock he puts on meta reads. He seemed annoyed that I wasnt following some pattern, and even asked for outside help from someone who played with me previously to try to get a read on my "meta".

If it wasn't obvious by now, I personally put very little stock in meta reads. Not only because I have no access to them due to having not played for years, but because by nature they are not static. Metas evolve with the player, case in point how everyone bashed me about not judging haku based on what he's done previously, then act surprised when he contributes meaningful content in a way that's borderline insulting. I react to what people do in the here and now, and I'll reiterate, that's my attitude towards every player.

That said, reading and playing are two different things, and I can say with authority that the feelings I have during this game will do more to help me familiarize myself with each player than reading 10 of their games would. So for everyone who was bemoaning my lack of meta insight, you have your answer now I guess. I don't think there's any world where I would brush off getting torched like that, even if alot of it was justified. So if this post seems reactionary and defensive, that's because it is.

[DaBackpack]

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Ugh why do you guys have to make like 7 pages when I'm asleep

I'll catchup later when I'm more awake

a lot of ppl were giving him shit for not following through but I understand why he might not do that since I've pretty much been doing that this entire phase, so I'm totally sympathetic to "not feeling like it"

Uh, are you suggesting dbp is feigning activity? If I'm misinterpreting your post then that's fine, but I doubt he's trying to pretend to be active. Out of the iso you provided around half of the posts are shitposts and the remaining posts, even if they're short, are actually pushing on something and are actual content.

This just feels like you're trying to justify omgus for some reason

Ok, so basically the game so far has been mostly about Gradiant vs Freez, Shado vs inDheart and Precarious vs DBP.

Gradiant vs Freez is a nice interaction that has made Gradiant look really town in my eyes. Freez is way more difficult to read in comparison. While I like that he has been posting really naturally, his tone and his content have varied wildly throughout the entire interaction which makes him really difficult to read in my eyes.

Shado vs inDheart reads like a TvT. I was initially giving town points to Shado for pressing on inDheart who was almost universally town read, as it seems like a risky move for a wolf to take, but Shado is probably ballsy enough to do it as either alignment. Regardless, there was some sound logic on both parts and I feel okay giving both of them townleans.

Precarious vs DBP was utter shit compared to those two previous interactions and I really want to talk more about it.

To summarize what happened, DBP came and gave Precarious a vote because he wanted him to post reads instead of mechanics (#282, #284, #286, #288), and Shadow also places a vote on Precarious, increasing pressure. Later, Precarious says he is working on reads and that he wants to see DBP's, while saying that posting mechanics is his playstyle and implying it's not a good reason to vote him (#365). Then, DBP responds to Precarious' previous post, and again tells him to produce reads (#381). Afterwards, Precarious gives a read post (#388), and then accuses DBP of feigning activity and being empty, and places a vote on him (#398). DBP and Precarious proceed to spar for a little while, until in post 433 DBP says he'll respond to Precarious' previous posts later, which he doesn't after coming back. Precarious comes back earlier today and casually unvotes DBP without giving any reasoning or followup (#601).

I have some stuff that I want to say, but before that I would like to know why Precarious and DBP decided to abandon their fight.

@Precarious: Why did you unvote DBP?
@DBP: Why did you not respond to Precarious' post like you said you would?

Also:



Heh, it was Shado who was talking about Charu being a slip, but his logic can apply to this post too. Why am I in your thoughts dear?

Anyways, I'll start writing up my thoughts regarding the interaction, because they'll probably have some value regardless of what DBP and Precarious say, and because I'm very slow at typing stuff in this game. I apologize for being absent for so long, I was legitimately physically feeling like shit through most of yesterday and today.

at the end of the day I'm probably still going to give you a pass because you did dig up a point that almost nobody else was thinking about at the time, but I'm wondering what led you from point A to point B here ---- those two posts are consecutive (separated by time obviously), and sure you had time to think about them, but it's a bit of whiplash when looking at them next to each other in ISO. namely that you were initially sympathetic to me in the first post and then nearly 180'd in the next post. I have a few possible explanations in my mind, but I want you to explain it from your mouth

[DaBackpack]

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one last thing before I go, Precarious has since fixed what I initially criticized him for when I pressured him, so unvote in case I'm not back in time

however it stands to reason that he could have changed his style purely in response to pressure, and that it was purely a defensive move, but that deserves more rigorous investigation in the future

[DaBackpack]

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sorry to leave you in a position like this town, but I just have to ask you to trust me for the time being

I'm going to a birthday party now but my friends are early risers so I can't expect it'll go past 10pm EST

[Precarious]

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Reread pt. 2

inD's reemerges at this point. Funnily enough (because I think he was one of the people I had the whole gut read argument with), he does the sort of thing I like, which is explain why he town reads Haku.

DFR appears. First post has some substance to it, but it's written in a way that it's easy to miss. Not a lot, but hey. Next, roundbox appears. Very clipped post; town reads Gradiant. Then mellon appears. After the thread had been dominated by a few specific posters for a while, the new blood is...not especially talkative.

Shado calls out Xel for shit posting and and roundbox and DBP for just not posting. Gradiant is still being Gradiant. DBP responds to this prodding with the vote of me, and I can see one of the reasons it bothered me. Complaining about my mechanical posts seems insincere when I was making new ones to correct other people's mechanical mistakes. Either way, the reread here is interesting because it almost seems like DBP's vote was sort of in response to Shado requesting content.

Shado then wagons. Not a good look.

Mellon reappears. I find it hilarious that they argued for not needing to be taught mechanics when they clearly never read what I said to begin with. I'm not going to rehash that whole thing again, but #297 is a bad post. What's really troublesome though, is that mellon's whole demeanor changes later in the thread. I interpreted mellon, based on the early shit posts and this post, to be someone who was largely unfamiliar with mafia/TWG. The attack on me later was too self-assured tonally. I don't know what this inconsistency means, but I end up questioning the sincerity of 297 as a result.

roundbox hides in a humor-tinged style of presenting his ideas. This feels slightly deceptive, but I'm guessing this is his meta given that there hasn't been discussion of said style.

Mellon's tone is becoming more professional already. Original assessment was probably a misread of their experience, although 297 is still objectively wrong in its first paragraphs. Second parts were okay.

As much as I'm town-reading Gradiant, I kind of wish he'd elaborate on the large scale quote posts. I get that he's pointing out with the bold what strikes him as off, but a little more detail would be appreciated.

Mellon backs off when challenged by Gradiant. Gradiant's posts are carrying a lot of authority.

Weird Xel vote by Haku. I don't really like Xel's style of play, but Haku's reasoning here was bizarre. It feels like a "leave me alone" kind of vote.

Juckter reemerges. Gives a couple reads, nothing particularly town or scum here.

Shado feels like the player here who's style is most similar to mine. And just going from gut, I'm not quite sure I like what he's been doing. It's too apologetic in places. But it's a weak gut read.

Freezin votes Gradiant. I don't actually have a problem with this, because even though I see Gradiant town, allowing one person to run through things unopposed isn't good. This is actually the point where Freezin seems most town to me in the whole thread; the reasoning is legitimately pro-town, whatever the actual intent is.

Botchi posts. Thinks Gradiant-Freezin is town v town.

DFR doesn't like Shado's attitude. This feels like town DFR to me; I get the sense that they don't know what people actually are and are trying to figure out.

An awful lot of people have brief arguments with Shado, then they kind of fade away.

Shado mixes serious stuff with joke stuff in the same post. That's not immediately town- or scum-leaning, it's just kind of tonally odd.

Xel is super weird. Once the joke stuff goes away, they're trafficking in the right ideas, but sort of coming to conclusions that don't fully jive with their examples.

This is taking way too fucking long.

[danceflashrevo]

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Well okay. I oversimplified a lot of the thread because I had a hard time reading a good chunk of it. A lot of the 1v1 stuff felt like white noise. And as for how I read people. Its just how I read people, it's an opinion. I misread shit all the time, most of the time I misread shit. That's just progress of getting better. Sorry for not putting examples, I'll do better on that next phase. Me doing that now wouldn't work because id get grilled for backpacking probably when I'm not. Also I'm on a phone. And for the stuff about tone reads, how do I even give an example of that? It's just how they're posting. I'm not quoting their entire history in the thread. And me stating the bad stuff about jucter. I was being honest about yeah it's low content but there was a but you're an English teacher you know what that means.

I was gonna say something else but I forgot. Hopefully I remember. Also whaddya mean most vengeful lmao

[roundbox]

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DaBackpack AKA "erika fucking furudo" AKA mr. quadrillion

let's just post birds

kek

maybe, but there was also no way you were ever going to be lynched, so it would be incredibly easy for him to 'defend' you from a nonexistent outcome

I like your logic here.

most of his other posts are focused on poking Precarious
gettin kinda bored

Haku's probably town

fair read

I don't like precarious and shadow calling my push on precarious "weak" or "non-committal", I thought I had a good reason behind it

I think you did too

I'm starting with the lowest posters bc time



a post like this immediately signals to me that botchi is town. you can call this a meta-read -- botchi doesn't usually put this much "critical thought" into his posts as a wolf. On top of that, he seems rather cool and collected, and less agitated, which reflects well on him



we see investment in the game's outcome by suggesting that Charu should take the lead here



this just isn't wolf botchi

COPYCAT
also more agreement

olive green is your alignment for this phase