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  • ShadoWolfe
    FFR Player
    • Jun 2009
    • 171

    #376
    Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

    Originally posted by DaBackpack
    is it bad that listening to the Baited podcast and watching HWYM's leafy video makes me like Keemstar a little more?
    Yes.





    Originally posted by Hakulyte
    I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
    Originally posted by XelNya
    " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
    Originally posted by YoshL
    "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
    Originally posted by mellon_collie
    "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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    • Hakulyte
      the Haku
      • Jul 2005
      • 4697

      #377
      Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

      To be accurate:

      Originally posted by Precarious
      Let's see if I can transition to a high post count this time.

      (The answer is probably not.)
      It's page 2 in Sign ups thread.

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      • Hakulyte
        the Haku
        • Jul 2005
        • 4697

        #378
        Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

        Looks like I proved myself wrong on my own.

        gj Haku

        meta =/= post count

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        • Precarious
          Unacceptable
          • Mar 2014
          • 208

          #379
          Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

          Originally posted by ShadoWolfe
          Why? If I want to vote you, I'd just vote for Prius Car. What's wrong with that?
          I like to do isolated reads of each poster as well as read the whole conversation, so I can see how things fit together. I do this with Advanced Search, and you need the exact name. I'm not familiar enough with everyone to get all the numbers and quirks of the names right without checking, so it's handy to be able to refer to the OP.

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          • inDheart
            Picker @ JAX2
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Aug 2011
            • 505

            #380
            Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

            Originally posted by FreezinIce
            k good rule of thumb haku when your town dont act shady and lie about stuff you dont have to
            so what seems to be bothering me about freez's advice here is how it follows these two other posts

            Originally posted by FreezinIce
            I have read a few games before this one so I've seen it happen, but I'm always surprised how at the beginning of these recent FFR TWGs everyone shitposts then at the drop of a hat everyone stops and starts posting seriously without any trace of their previous levity
            Originally posted by FreezinIce
            well until he does something moronic in a game im in, im not gonna judge haku for things he did in past twgs
            if freez has read recent games, haku's been in pretty much all of them, so ample chance to at least get familiar with his style, even if you're not going to hold him to account for previous mishaps. but doing that misses the self-stated essence of haku's play. he routinely posts moronic things and passes them off as intentional to provoke reactions. those reaction tests often fail.

            freez's post reads like it was meant to be a guiding hand like shado had meant in the cancelled turbo. but i think by now, several of us are realizing the futility of convincing haku of anything. he's tried to shake up his style a bit, but still winds up playing the same game. that's why this bothers me - i think if freez was paying a modicum of attention to the games they were reading (or read postgames), they would come to the same conclusion. so that's why, for me, freez's admonishment is more than surface level. maybe not at the level of a wolf team trying to pass notes in broad daylight for now, but it looks funny.

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            • DaBackpack
              ~ お ま ん こ ~
              • Mar 2014
              • 918

              #381
              Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

              Originally posted by Precarious
              I'm working on my reads. (They'll be in the next post.) For what they're worth, anyway; day 1 is generally a crapshoot. It's always a crapshoot, but what matters is that you actually -try- and give us something to work with in the future --- the "act" is more important than the results

              The "raw commentary" hopefully served the purpose of making clear that hedging around Charu is a waste of time and focus. The reason I made those posts was because some people felt that scumreading/suspecting/whatever Charu was an effective use of their time. It isn't. I can accept this

              This is how I play. You can always expect a lot of theorycraft and mechanical stuff early on. I find that has value, because putting the game in its proper context clarifies everything else. This is fine, but we need more in terms of critical thinking about player alignment before EoD

              I'm curious what your reads are. I see this a lot here; people expect others to contribute, but are curiously silent when it comes to doing the work themselves. ShadoW also voted me, but at least he made the effort to link my playstyle to the Turbo game where I was a wolf (this is misguided since this is just how I tend to play, but at least his internal logic makes sense, which reads genuine). You, on the other hand, have the effect of a drive-by shooter. That seems less honest somehow.

              I'm not intent on lynching you, I'm pressuring you to make reads -- and that I saw lots of bulky commentary without any reads as scummy. I'm willing to trust your self-stated meta, but you also need to produce reads before I can begin to think of you as town.

              as for me,
              I've stated townreads on Freezin and Shadow and Charu thus far, and I thought I made my opinion on your commentary transparent in my conversation with Charu: namely that wolves tend to make commentary in order to appear "active"
              doop


              Originally posted by Moogy
              no one cares
              Originally posted by TWG Dan Hedgehog
              there are 743 matches for hedgehog suicide on deviantart
              that's kind of a sad statistic

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              • inDheart
                Picker @ JAX2
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Aug 2011
                • 505

                #382
                Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

                Originally posted by XelNya
                WE CAN POST IN ALL CAPS? SINCE WHEN?!
                get fiction in here stat!

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                • ShadoWolfe
                  FFR Player
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 171

                  #383
                  Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

                  Originally posted by juckter1
                  Kay, I've read stuff now.

                  Shado I forgot about previously, but now I've read him, he seems okay. I don't think his jump on Freeze was as artificial as other people are saying, the thing that I found the most odd is that he seemed to abandon it really quickly. His other stuff is fairly agressive and he's actively engaging people, which may or may not be his style regardless of alignment but I like it. Don't see him leaning towards any alignment right now

                  mellon is probably town based on tone alone

                  I'm not familiar enough with memes to read XelNya right now

                  I'm not good enough at the game to form reads on people I didn't mention on this or my previous post
                  By previous post, you're referring to this:
                  Originally posted by juckter1
                  I lurked up to page 13 on my phone but didn't post because phoneposting sucks. Here's a few impressions:

                  - Charu is almost surely actually the bodyguard blah blah blah there's no point in me parroting the same analysis that people have already done.

                  - I don't like Haku, I get that he does questionable plays as both alignments but even then his questionable posts this game are lacking the genuineness that I read in his questionable posts last game.

                  - Gradiant is a funny fellow and his posts look natural. I don't know if he usually manages to play along well as a wolf, but without knowing his meta I'm giving him a townlean

                  - Freeze is weird. I don't see him as particularly town-leaning or scum-leaning right now but I'll be sure to keep an eye on him
                  , right?

                  It's been awhile, are those reads on Gradiant, Freez, Haku, and Charu still up to date with your thoughts?





                  Originally posted by Hakulyte
                  I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
                  Originally posted by XelNya
                  " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
                  Originally posted by YoshL
                  "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
                  Originally posted by mellon_collie
                  "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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                  • DaBackpack
                    ~ お ま ん こ ~
                    • Mar 2014
                    • 918

                    #384
                    Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

                    Originally posted by DaBackpack
                    doop
                    replace shadow with gradiant, oops


                    Originally posted by Moogy
                    no one cares
                    Originally posted by TWG Dan Hedgehog
                    there are 743 matches for hedgehog suicide on deviantart
                    that's kind of a sad statistic

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                    • Hakulyte
                      the Haku
                      • Jul 2005
                      • 4697

                      #385
                      Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

                      Originally posted by inDheart
                      if freez has read recent games, haku's been in pretty much all of them, so ample chance to at least get familiar with his style, even if you're not going to hold him to account for previous mishaps. but doing that misses the self-stated essence of haku's play. he routinely posts moronic things and passes them off as intentional to provoke reactions. those reaction tests often fail.
                      Do you think this is what I'm doing right now?

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                      • inDheart
                        Picker @ JAX2
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • Aug 2011
                        • 505

                        #386
                        Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

                        Originally posted by botchi246
                        oh charu, i am not a wolf just ye old town
                        but you forgot hos until later

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                        • juckter1
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Sep 2015
                          • 108

                          #387
                          Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

                          Originally posted by ShadoWolfe
                          It's been awhile, are those reads on Gradiant, Freez, Haku, and Charu still up to date with your thoughts?
                          Charu isn't likely to change until much further into the game, Gradiant still with the agressive posting which I townread him for, and Haku hasn't said anything that changed my read in either direction.

                          Freez is weird, his reason for voting Gradiant is like, objectively bad, but I can't see why a wolf would play like he has so far. I can't read him well right now

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                          • Precarious
                            Unacceptable
                            • Mar 2014
                            • 208

                            #388
                            Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

                            So rather than doing a formal roster run, I'll reread through the game and just note what sticks out to me. Picking up from page 10 or so...

                            Haku uses the "I'm bad" card way too much. I don't even mean that as a scumtell, it's just kind of annoying (and so overused that it essentially becomes alignment-neutral, and in effect meaningless).

                            On ShadoW: After some basic commentary on the Gradiant-Freezin thing, he actually follows up with reads on Freezin and why they could point to a wolf. I'm not sure I agree, and it's hardly totally exculpatory--pouncing on someone who's made questionable reads is an easy way for a wolf to hide, and funnily enough seems to be almost what he's accusing of--but the post fits together logically for me. He then backs off later. This is somewhat similar to my general approach--I don't usually go heavy until I'm more convinced of something--and it's something that's replicable in either alignment. Overall, though, he sticks his neck out just slightly further than I'd expect from a wolf, so the slightest of town reads from this interaction.

                            On the other hand, I don't like his followup a little later. The whole "Wolfe" group things seems like it's almost daring WIFOM, which is a bit of a scummy play.

                            Ironically, Freezin's apparently disliked "explaining feints" is the most townie thing about them, since I can actually see where they're approaching from, and it feels like there's an actual purpose to the activity, not the hiding in plain sight you'd expect from a wolf/sk.

                            Page 13 is interesting because a lot of people who had said little to nothing so far appear (presumably after waking up/arriving at the beginning of the day/whatever) and then make generic statements that don't even have a shitposting quality to them--which is to say, they're almost deliberately empty and forgettable.

                            Action picks up more as the day moves along, but a lot of seems to be marching in place type stuff.

                            Freezin's willingness to challenge Gradiant looks good to me; there's no backing off from the challenge there. I can understand where they're coming from--Gradiant's almost too in control of his style--but overall I don't think he'd be so assured if he were anti-town. Bears watching though.

                            I find the Xel sort of going after Haku interesting. It's just cantankerous enough that I'd suspect distancing if the wolves had daychat, but they don't; moreover, the white text stuff makes it feel more like needling. I definitely don't think they're both wolves, and if one of them is it's probably Haku, although Xel's later stuff with other people felt overly chummy. (n.b. Theoretically you could have a wolf and an sk here, but that's statistically unlikely).

                            Basically, Haku's game seems a little more defensive than usual, and I don't like it. Freezin didn't look great early on, but later posting makes the body of work look very town. Gradiant's is consistent enough in his style that he's hard to read, but I lean town. I don't like how many people are hiding in plain sight, although to be fair I end up doing the same thing relatively often. I don't know how well that fits their metas though.

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                            • ShadoWolfe
                              FFR Player
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 171

                              #389
                              Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

                              Originally posted by Precarious
                              I like to do isolated reads of each poster as well as read the whole conversation, so I can see how things fit together. I do this with Advanced Search, and you need the exact name. I'm not familiar enough with everyone to get all the numbers and quirks of the names right without checking, so it's handy to be able to refer to the OP.
                              Oh, here, let me get to my computer and I'll help you with that. I have the corrected list of names in my notes. One sec, bout to be home





                              Originally posted by Hakulyte
                              I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
                              Originally posted by XelNya
                              " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
                              Originally posted by YoshL
                              "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
                              Originally posted by mellon_collie
                              "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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                              • inDheart
                                Picker @ JAX2
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Aug 2011
                                • 505

                                #390
                                Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

                                Originally posted by ShadoWolfe
                                Oh, here, let me get to my computer and I'll help you with that. I have the corrected list of names in my notes. One sec, bout to be home
                                i've actually been really annoyed by this too, and it's hard isoing this game because i know there's 15 people in it, but it's hard to remember who's who and it doesn't feel like 15 people have even been here yet

                                anyway

                                1. inDheart
                                2. Hakulyte
                                3. R.E. Aryxi
                                4. ShadoWolfe
                                5. danceflashrevo
                                6. Charu
                                7. Gradiant
                                8. FreezinIce
                                9. DaBackpack
                                10. Precarious
                                11. roundbox
                                12. botchi246
                                13. XelNya
                                14. juckter1
                                15. mellonxcollie

                                and "Zenith" on the replacement list is actually _Zenith_ if he comes in

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