TWG 150: Undertale

[TWG Mad Dummy]

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man you know what would make perfect sense to me right now in so many ways

if you were actually human

getting swayed off the reads list so easily, tunneling on charu bussing his whole team, etc

it fits so well into my theory and explains why you're so stuck on this scenario, because it completely absolves you of any doubt because hey, you're not the one who got bussed by him

I understand that you are frustrated with me, regardless of your alignment. You need to propose a reason why Charu would not be busing me here.

[TWG Tsunderplane]

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I feel distinctly like I'm aidsing up the thread

@Tsunder. I am not advocating for your death at the present. Your reaction to pressure is very good in my opinion, it would lead me to believe that Napsta is the wolf between the both of you. I strongly suggest you consider rereading his posts.

@Alphys I cannot see how you think that Sans wasn't bussing at least two teammates in his reads post. If you can explain to me what your hangup is beyond the fact that it is easy for me to throw out the world, which I admit it is, that would help me a lot. Because its easy for me to do so does not mean it is not the world. I think part of the reason it is easy to do is strictly because he does it so damn often.

I've made both of you pretty heated I think, and at least this time, it wasn't my intent.

i completely missed this post and i probably would've cooled off a bit quicker had i seen it since man you got me riled up good this time

[TWG Tsunderplane]

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You need to propose a reason why Charu would not be busing me here.

i honestly don't think it's that outlandish that a player would choose to switch up their play precisely when everyone thinks they have it figured out.

pretending to bus a partner that turns out to be town would be so easy to pull off if people are expecting you to turn in your entire team. from what i've seen of charu's play (admittedly not as much as you) i have more faith that they would eventually cotton onto this as a valid path

[TWG Alphys]

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@Alphys I cannot see how you think that Sans wasn't bussing at least two teammates in his reads post.

I could see 1 of them being a human, not both.

Referring to Undyne laughing about both plane and napsta being humans

well get ready to eat your words because i'm townreading the fuck out of napsta and i know my role and you guys are not going to like the result of lynching me

Dangerous as fuck to say if plane/napsta are a pair

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[TWG Mad Dummy]

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just for starters

these are not the posts of someone who thinks this is a mere possibility

The first is just establishing that he has bused his entire team before. It does not ever say that this \is\ the scenario, just that it is possible.

The second posts addresses the fact that Alphys did not give any reasoning as to why they believe Sans would not be busing their entire team. I ask them about their reasoning as to why, which I find especially confusing considering they were on Charu's team the game that I am quoting from, so they should know firsthard that Charu will bus in such a manner.

The third comments on the fact that Charu has bused hard before. He doesn't feel like its a strategy that will likely backfire. The one partner he put in his scumreads would be So Sorry, the Godfather. It doesn't make sense for him to put him in his scumreads, since his town list was 100% accurate, and not put at least, not both, but at least one partner in his scumreads, at least from my point of view.

Please reread over my posts. I am not advocating for your death. I am stating the possibility that you and Napsta is the team. I am doing so with a vote on neither of you. Please try to keep all of this in mind.

[TWG Tsunderplane]

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The first is just establishing that he has bused his entire team before. It does not ever say that this \is\ the scenario, just that it is possible.

The second posts addresses the fact that Alphys did not give any reasoning as to why they believe Sans would not be busing their entire team. I ask them about their reasoning as to why, which I find especially confusing considering they were on Charu's team the game that I am quoting from, so they should know firsthard that Charu will bus in such a manner.

The third comments on the fact that Charu has bused hard before. He doesn't feel like its a strategy that will likely backfire. The one partner he put in his scumreads would be So Sorry, the Godfather. It doesn't make sense for him to put him in his scumreads, since his town list was 100% accurate, and not put at least, not both, but at least one partner in his scumreads, at least from my point of view.

Please reread over my posts. I am not advocating for your death. I am stating the possibility that you and Napsta is the team. I am doing so with a vote on neither of you. Please try to keep all of this in mind.

i understand that now, so let me try to make a calmer post about this

in my mind, these posts very much sound like you firmly believe this scenario and are not very much willing to entertain the possibility that you are wrong. perhaps i'm not reading you well and that's just how you put forth ideas, but that was the vibe i was getting off of it

what helps solidify this view is when questioned about it, you double down and insist that the onus is on them to disprove your scenario instead of accepting alternate possibilities

[TWG Alphys]

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The second posts addresses the fact that Alphys did not give any reasoning as to why they believe Sans would not be busing their entire team. I ask them about their reasoning as to why, which I find especially confusing considering they were on Charu's team the game that I am quoting from, so they should know firsthard that Charu will bus in such a manner.

This game was a while ago, so I forgot exactly who all was on our team. I believe 2 of our team were barely posting anything so bussing them was great since it made us look better and didn't hinder our progress from what we were doing already. I fucked up as Chicken and was getting flack, so Charu was also in the right here to let me go to give our team the best chance at winning.

[TWG Tsunderplane]

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god damn i have such a headache right now

[TWG Alphys]

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You need to propose a reason why Charu would not be busing me here.

Because of your entire current argument

[TWG Mad Dummy]

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i honestly don't think it's that outlandish that a player would choose to switch up their play precisely when everyone thinks they have it figured out.

pretending to bus a partner that turns out to be town would be so easy to pull off if people are expecting you to turn in your entire team. from what i've seen of charu's play (admittedly not as much as you) i have more faith that they would eventually cotton onto this as a valid path

it seems very very very very much that he is not switching his play up because of the fact that his townreads are 100% accurate. I so desperately wish that both you and Napsta are town because it would be the least Charu has bused before and like... its never good play to do what he does. He wins games off of it despite me trying to convince people to kill him. It took a modkill for him to die in the Supermarket game, not me trying to talk people into killing him. He won in the Smash game super super late. He probably wouldn't have died this game without Alphys's check. But in doing so he kills his entire team. I am illustrating this because the fact that he keeps winning games as a wolf in spite of the fact that he does this makes it somewhat clear that it gives him reason to continue busing.

I really, really would love it if both you and Napsta are town, but I highly doubt this. My citation is years of playing with him and several Skype conversations where I try to convince him that townreading partners, while you inherently don't believe what you are saying, is good wolf strategy, especially if you have a strong meta attached to you. He never agrees.

[TWG Papyrus]

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what is the possibility of Sans being Charu?

welp i can't use this for scumreading anymore

[TWG Mad Dummy]

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Because of your entire current argument

You think its a play set up days in advance? Its also reliant on the fact that Charu dies while I am alive, which would be weird. It would defeat most of the purpose of the reads post, no?

I mean I guess I see where you're coming from, but that's some shiny tinfoil you're wearing.

[TWG Tsunderplane]

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it seems very very very very much that he is not switching his play up because of the fact that his townreads are 100% accurate. I so desperately wish that both you and Napsta are town because it would be the least Charu has bused before and like... its never good play to do what he does. He wins games off of it despite me trying to convince people to kill him. It took a modkill for him to die in the Supermarket game, not me trying to talk people into killing him. He won in the Smash game super super late. He probably wouldn't have died this game without Alphys's check. But in doing so he kills his entire team. I am illustrating this because the fact that he keeps winning games as a wolf in spite of the fact that he does this makes it somewhat clear that it gives him reason to continue busing.

I really, really would love it if both you and Napsta are town, but I highly doubt this. My citation is years of playing with him and several Skype conversations where I try to convince him that townreading partners, while you inherently don't believe what you are saying, is good wolf strategy, especially if you have a strong meta attached to you. He never agrees.

and this is exactly what a clever player would exploit when he feels people would least expect it

perhaps i'm giving charu too much credit; i'll readily admit that possibility. but if i was in his situation, and had gained notoriety for routinely bussing my entire team, i don't see how i could possibly pass up the opportunity to mindfuck everyone by not doing it

that you so firmly believe that this could not ever possibly change is what makes me believe this is actually happening

[TWG Alphys]

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You think its a play set up days in advance? Its also reliant on the fact that Charu dies while I am alive, which would be weird. It would defeat most of the purpose of the reads post, no?

I mean I guess I see where you're coming from, but that's some shiny tinfoil you're wearing.

you were generally townread at the time and sans was scummy which is why it came to the point that he actually had to put a list out there to look good.

[TWG Alphys]

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So I fail to see what's so weird about it