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Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)
if by "elaborate" you mean a novel of a multiquote post, I don't do that, rzr.
but I post my thoughts as they come to me the entire fucking game so just read the damn thread and you'll know what is going through my mind as the days progress.Comment
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Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)
incorrect. AA's accusation is that I am not considering anything beyond the conclusions others come to. this is false, and I am using storn as my counterpoint. storn has had me as a wolf since d1, has not seemed to consider anything else, has given no reasons or insight into his thinking this game, hasn't considered that many of the things I have said this game have been very pro town, whether they were acknowledged at the time or not (like charu's idea for one HG to out being dangerous, oh hey, tokzic happened)
you have no idea what deflecting is.Comment
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Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)
what does any of this even fucking mean?
a learning curve? coming from the guy who says botchi could be fake? i'm clearing you in part because I'd imagine you'd be too obvious about the fact that he's real if you had perfect information, but maybe you're doing what you accuse botchi of and just playing super dumb on purpose, idk
and yes, if you are town, saying what you "expect" from town only helps the wolves adhere to that concept to pocket you.
and the way you begged me in pms to reconsider makes me believe you were not as unconcerned about the votes/lynch potential on you as you now claim.Comment
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Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)
Anyobdy wondering
1. dlgn reaction test = failed
2. dbp reaction test = passed
3. AA reaction test = passed
4. storn reaction test = passed, but I don't have enough to put him town
I am really trying to not target dlgn as just scum and give him the benefit of the doubt. I compare dlgn to Xiz in many ways so far, in the sense that he seemed almost joyous and deflecting of town oriented issues. Sometimes even anti-town. That all resonates with me because Xiz his that blue mark when flipped. I want dlgn to explain himself as town and not redundant, I want him to explain his clearing of roundbox, and I want much more of a case against storn/AA.
But he doesn't want to offer anything. Dlgn is delectinf in what can be construed as a lazy mannor or an unmotivated mannor. Again, sadly, this is what Xiz did.
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Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)
rzr is interested in getting into my mind so here is something:
in recent days I've been trying to decide what to do with xel, largely from posts in this thread. he tends to post some disjointed statements broken over a few consecutive posts and then dip before really fleshing out the points. I see him around a good bit and so it's been frustrating because a lot of it isn't very alignment indicative. then he posted his logs and I re-read ours and I remembered how good it struck me at the time. I just hadn't looked back at it since then and quite frankly forgot about it. here's my assessment:
xelnya [5:44 AM]
Gonna ask this out of pure curiosity and for when you log in again, have you played TWG on ffr before? It feels like you have.
asks a question that isn't leading or loaded. it's not clear what the "correct" answer is, and I'm not sure there is one. he hints at his motivation for asking, being that I don't seem as new as my post-count suggests, but doesn't imply much with that.
I respond.
dlgn [11:04 AM]
i have not!
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i have played on 2+2 forum and I play video mafia very often on twitch.tv/dailymafia and ryuzilla's stream, but this is my first time on FFR!
xelnya [6:20 PM]
Explains a lot about why your play is so weird.
accepts this as an explanation for reading my play in such a way that he decided to ask me about it, even calling it weird.
xelnya [6:23 PM]
I will say watching you and rzr kinda going at it has been at least amusing
it probably is amusing from an outsider's pov. I'm just bashing my head against a wall and hoping I am not wrong to think he is town.
xelnya [6:26 PM]
Like let's be frank you just game right out the gate swinging with a "guys the game is literally this easy" sorta post which to me originally didn't sit well tbh
now drops just what about my play was so weird to him, and why he may not think I am town this game. which if you look back to last night was exactly what he brought up when deciding that perhaps I am not town like he read me and that my opening possibly could be wolfy, like he suspected.
his thoughts are consistent, he seems to be evaluating the information as it is provided and asking for more where he does not have it. he's not constructing a narrative or forcing nonsense. he's not calling me out in the thread before politely inquiring.
I forgot about that interaction until recently but after seeing it again I'm pretty confident he's town.
so there is some insight into how I work. I look for what seem like genuine moments of towniness. anybody can write up accusations using quotes and say that they are town for using "logic" in their pushes(AA) and those who don't are wolves. but true town ACT IT, and I think xel was truly being town in coming to me with those questions/comments.Comment
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Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)
what the fuck are you even doing this game? we just talked and I said I would flesh out an example for you and during that same time all you are doing is writing this trash about how I failed your reaction test? you don't even wait to see what I say. you keep asking for things but why the fuck do I bother if you're going to come out with garbage like this while I try and help you understand me. fuck man.Comment
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Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)
Yet have you? And I am seriously trying to humor you. What have you produced?
I've asked you to elaborate on reads that you call me dumb for not paying attention to. Again, you are discouraging to town. Here's the log folks
I'm trying hard to be neutral with dlgn. I have asked him to explain his thoughts as town, I have pushed him as wolf. He has run us in circles, he has beat around the bush, and worst yet he has been an ass hole to anyone who tried to defy his "authority."Code:r [12:26 AM] Thoughts on xel? dlgn [12:26 AM] dunno, not a priority for me rzr [12:27 AM] I didn't ask that dlgn [12:27 AM] my thoughts [12:27] are I don't know rzr [12:27 AM] You're on storn for the same reasons that I suspect xel dlgn [12:27 AM] and I am more interested in other people right now [12:27] ok? rzr [12:28 AM] You have absolutely no opinion on xel and aren't interested in exploring if he could be a wolf? or a partner to your suspect? dlgn [12:28 AM] i dont see them together like you do rzr [12:29 AM] I've said I think a storn/xel team is very unlikely [12:29] I think between them one is scum and I would also tend to say that role is the movie stalker as it implies inactivity to begin with dlgn [12:29 AM] i think that is pure speculation [12:29] but you're entitled to that rzr [12:30 AM] It's not likely that both wolves are ridiculously inactive imo [12:30] which supports both of our ideas dlgn [12:30 AM] i really don't know, I need to step away from the game for a little i think [12:31] too frustrated rzr [1:25 PM] hey [1:25] I hopewe can talk cordially dlgn [1:25 PM] sure rzr [1:37 PM] So I was just looking for a stronger case against AA [1:37] Sadly I guess, he's struck me as town most of the game dlgn [1:37 PM] you get that you are doing exactly what you accuse me of [1:37] right? [1:38] you're demanding that I prove something to you [1:38] while saying ummm yeah I thought about what you said but I think something else [1:38] and that's supposed to be perfectly acceptable for me [1:38] that helps me ZERO [1:38] i have no idea why you townread AA [1:38] same as you don't understand my points [1:39] so gtfo with your bullshit you're pushing in the thread rzr [1:40 PM] I'm not demanding, I'm just trying to get a clear idea of where you are coming from. No offense, but you ignored my question here. I'm looking for a stronger case on AA, which in essense supports you. Please let go of your frustration with me, I understand it, but it's not in any way helping us dlgn [1:41 PM] you don't understand how I play [1:41] even though I have told you 10 times [1:41] I try to find towns and understand the thoughts and motivations behind peoples' posts/quetsions/pushes [1:42] AA is one of the people I have the least towny moments from [1:42] let me find an example for you, one sec rzr [1:44 PM] Thank you [1:44] And I'm sorry if I'm coming across as misunderstanding or aggressive [1:44] I'm trying to put into my mind the image that you have
Dlgn, by definition, is defensive and deflecting
dlgn, by definition, is more toxic/deterimenal to human cause and has been thus far.
For the record dlgn, if you want to convince us how town you are, try actually explaining your point of view. I tried saying over and over and over I'm giving you the benefit of thedoubt - if you want to convince me storn and AA are scum than go ahead. You have called me stupid and by no means answered any questions raised. You are a shitty wolf and you should have died d1 instead if gradiant, I hope next time your town game
actually helps town, and if you are a wolf, get better at it.
I will no longer be wasting my communication on dlgn, I have posted all current logs and will address any immediate questions. Don't waste my fucking time anymore.
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Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)
Though you can all see it, here's my public chat in case dlgn tried to pull some stupid shit. I have been consistently accusing him the whole game, and he has been consistently deflecting (assuming I'm using the fucking word properly) the whole game
Code:rzr [10:35 AM] This chat got interestig when I went ot bed rzr [11:08 AM] today's gonna go one of two ways [11:08] for me, there is a strong possibilty of a dlgn/xel dlgn/roundbox or dlgn/DBP team [11:08] the ladder being the least likely. Problemo is that I keep having problems clearing DBP - and I keep wanting to clear roundbox [11:09] Assuming dlgn is a wolf, it won't be pretty deciding between xel/round/DBP [11:09] If dlgn is not a wolf I'm not entirely sure which one to look at botchi246 [11:22 AM] Im here [11:23] I havent had a chance to look at the thread in a while, but i will be educated soon enough. I apologiz for lack of participation rzr [11:38 AM] Trust me, you're a lot more active than some other players [11:38] Hell, including myself at times rzr [1:45 PM] dlgn [1:46] I want to know if you've cleared roundbox as a sold town figure dlgn [1:56 PM] probably yes [1:56] 95% dlgn [2:07 PM] i'm curious why you ask me one thing in a pm and then another in the main chat? it seems showy when you do that. if you just cared you'd continue to ask me in the pm, but you wanted everybody to see this [2:07] you post all of your logs anyway, so it's not like I wouldn't expect my answer to eventually be public [2:08] you're just strange man rzr [2:30 PM] I tried to, but I felt I was coming to no avail. I am truly interested in your reads dlgn. As a wolf, your reads tell me who I should clear more (not entirely.) As scum, your reads tell me who I should target more (not entirely). I am creating a shadown around you of my own perspective, but please don't try to influence it, try more to (again) tell me why you think xyz is a wolf [2:30] Let me sake somthing clear to you [2:30] make* [2:30] I have never not thought you were a wolf, I have just thought you were a wolf *less* at times [2:31] My intention since d1 was to learn who your partners are [2:31] And apprewntly, if you are scum, your team is tokzic/dlgn/roundbox? or tokzic/dlgn/xel [2:31] There is no world where you would come at dtorn or AA or myslef as partners (imo) [2:31] so as toww, that's where I'm at You should have avery standard reply rzr [2:54 PM] This publec chat is the only plae I will reply to dlgn, if you have anything else to say or questins to raise do it here and tag me, otherwise I'm not wasting my time when you can't even be bothered to make your points.
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Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)
Given that I am an anti-wagoner, anyone who isn't on this train is more likely to be suspect that a dirty wagon or a wolf rush. Keep that in mind, roundbox.
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