TWG CXX: Villains United

[TWG Ursula]

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like my mind doesn't go to you being mafia b/c it doesn't make sense to do that as mafia; I have to assume you're trying to see who will react in what way

[TWG Gantu]

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Not sure why anybody would believe you when you were the first claim and got counterclaimed, except that the Heros actually have enough manpower to potentially sacrifice Sid because it gets you killed today, they wolf in the night, he goes the next day, and they wolf in the night again. 3 villains for 1 hero wouldn't normally be the best ratio but they'd still have 2 left.

Not saying I suspect Sid, just thinking of a rationale for why there's a chance he's the Hero even though he claimed second. It might well be worth sacrificing a Hero to know for a fact that the bomb is out of the way.

[TWG Yzma]

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the hell

[TWG The Queen]

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Nothing HINGES on it, but it was knowing Hades was a Hero that let us go back over everything said and done around him to conclude on Auto.

Knowing that Muntz is a Hero gives us a lot more information simply because we can evaluate his posts and actions and interactions knowing that he'd be sharing info with his partners.

muntz hasnt had that much interaction with anyone really tho, and i cant see the flip helping with the ursula/sid predicament.

i can still shoot charles but it has to be because i think hes very likely a hero. this game is at 10-3 right now, so if we assume 1 person dies each phase, a shot that flips red would cost an entire lynch. the only difference between shooting and lynching is that shooting speeds up the game and gives the flip sooner. do we want that? im leaning no but im all ears

[TWG Gantu]

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Syndrome got wolfed after making a serious push onto Charles Muntz. I've got Charles Muntz as my second strongest Hero call. The way he lived through the night holding a gun, and then pushed the shot from "Strongest Lynch target" onto "This chosen list of inactive people" and made us pick so it wasn't on him when they flipped villain, these are all, in my mind, pretty good reasons to suspect that he'd flip Hero.

Of course, since -you- were my -first- Hero lean, and Muntz my second, the idea that you're going to just refuse to use the gun on Muntz is further support to the idea that you're -both- Heros.

But then again, since you seered villain, and the assumption is that Muntz somehow -must- be the Master Wolf if he's a wolf suggests that it wouldn't be the case, unless you were confident enough in how he handled the first gun to play it that way while he was a regular Wolf.

I'd wonder at the odds that the guns both went to Heros, but then the same "ridiculous" odds were put forward about Hades and Auto both being Heros and they were so, who knows?

[TWG Yzma]

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Ursula are you a bomb or not

[TWG Gantu]

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yes I am hard-claiming-never-going-to-go-back-and-say-it-was-a-reaction-test the role of the bomb.

If she "goes back and says it was a reaction test" then she's a liar, and it's Lynch All Liars last time I checked anyway.

Ursula with a request for The Queen to shoot Charles Muntz during this day phase.

[TWG The Queen]

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gantu chill out, i just said theres no difference between shooting someone and lynching them, either its a hit or a miss. i want to be cautious because a missed shot would cost a lynch. whats the rush exactly?

can other ppl weigh in on either shooting charles or shooting nobody?

[TWG Hopper]

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Well that was an interesting turn of events.

Cop was already claimed, and medic would pose too many questions. (I'm truly thinking we don't have a medic this game.) Bomb is the best role to fakeclaim, seeing as if someone does counterclaim it, the heroes learn the identity of the actual bomb and know who to steer clear of for future wolfings. If no one counters, then it's pretty easy to coast along with an alibi for why the wolves aren't targeting you.

[TWG Maleficent]

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But then again, since you seered villain, and the assumption is that Muntz somehow -must- be the Master Wolf if he's a wolf suggests that it wouldn't be the case, unless you were confident enough in how he handled the first gun to play it that way while he was a regular Wolf.

ffs, does this mean i'd have to check charles if the queen doesn't kill him because i REALLY don't think this scenario is believable

[TWG Gantu]

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No rush, I'm just going to bed and am going to be pretty busy tomorrow, so I want to get everything I need to say out now.

It's exactly what I did with the reads list and all that. It had -nothing- to do with some idea that I was King Shit for gunning for Auto, and everything to do with "There's a larger than 1-in-X chance that I get Wolved tonight, so I should get everything out so it's out there"

At -some point- I'm going to die and flip Villain, and knowing that I'm a villain, you'll be able to look at what I've said knowing I was a Villain, which is useful. It's the same reason I want Charles Muntz dead sooner rather than later if there is -any- doubt by the group at large whether to think Sid or Ursula is the Hero. Knowing what he is makes it so his previous actions can be analyzed -knowing- his agenda.

[TWG Hopper]

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I realize the queen had already posted the exact same thing I wrote. Epic fail on my part.

But I agree, Ursula was in no danger at that point, so it's weird timing.

[TWG Captain Hook]

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gantu chill out, i just said theres no difference between shooting someone and lynching them, either its a hit or a miss. i want to be cautious because a missed shot would cost a lynch. whats the rush exactly?

can other ppl weigh in on either shooting charles or shooting nobody?

Honestly if it's likely we'll end up lynching him anyway either this phase or next, you may as well shoot him. It may give us some information we need for a better lynch.

[TWG Maleficent]

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i forgot to do this
unvote

[TWG Gantu]

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ffs, does this mean i'd have to check charles if the queen doesn't kill him because i REALLY don't think this scenario is believable

Assuming I was right about The Queen being a Hero, she'd have to be Godfather. Assuming you're right that Charles can ONLY be a Wolf if he's Godfather, it means The Queen is a legit villain.

I think it -is- in the realm of possibility that Charles is a bog standard Hero. And he can be a bog standard Hero even while I'm wrong about The Queen. I even said when I posted by big post about her that it wasn't nearly as strong as proof as my post about Auto, and that I was happy to hear a response from The Queen. She was my strongest lean but that doesn't mean it was right.

I think one way or the other, Charles' actions with the gun, how he handled it and how he survived the night with it give him a VERY good chance of being a Hero. The reason I'm pushing for the quick shot is the fact that it gives us the lens through which to view what he said and what was said about him, which is useful, and if he DOES flip Godfather, provably confirms Darla and Yzma and The Queen as 100% bonafide villains.

If he flips Godfather, I'd say the best seering is one of the inactives to see if they're leaving an UTR Hero around to play the manhunt game.