Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

[choof]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

on a serious note though i'd like details as to why you loved robotomy so much

[Gradiant]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

musical knowledge

What are you referring to by this?

[DigitalS3r4ph]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

I'm guessing he is referring to their overall aptitude or propensity for understanding music theory. Or also the likelihood that they play instrument (s).

In the case of Kil, it's true to an extent, since I'm pretty sure he has composed some nice songs too.

[Gundam-Dude]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

I have 0 knowledge of music theory and composition oh no I'm no longer certified to make simfiles !!

[DigitalS3r4ph]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

You can be untrained but still be an excellent painter.

[leonid]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

I felt like it went the other way for me
Stepping songs helped me understand the musical structure of them better

[Gradiant]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

I'm not sure how you see a correlation between musical knowledge then and stepcharting Stargroup

[hi19hi19]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

I felt like it went the other way for me
Stepping songs helped me understand the musical structure of them better

This so much.


Yeah I've had college-level music theory courses and I've been playing piano for 18 years, but I honestly think Stepmania has contributed equally to my knowledge of musical structures and composition. For someone who processes things very visually, being able to see 12ths and 16ths color-coded in the Stepmania editor and being able to visually see the interval between them helped immensely in my understanding of time signatures and note values. On the composition side, breaking down songs into their layers gives a better understanding of how they are composed and what function each layer of sound and each instrument serves.

While having knowledge of music theory can't hurt stepping, I don't see it being a requirement in any way, really.

[choof]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

[choof]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

[hi19hi19]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

ok second post, u got me

[ilikexd]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

I felt like it went the other way for me
Stepping songs helped me understand the musical structure of them better

the only thing i noticed is that new sections tend to start with crash cymbal and that sounds kinda good (cause i'll be putting hands to crash cymbal and notice it)

[ilikexd]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

stargroup you should talk to ilikexd about stepmania because we've argued before about rhythm gaming being art

Oh yes, please do, stargroup. I'll go out right here and say that I don't think simfiles can be considered an art form.

[hi19hi19]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

the only thing i noticed is that new sections tend to start with crash cymbal and that sounds kinda good (cause i'll be putting hands to crash cymbal and notice it)

Check out the difference between passages with snare on the downbeat and snare on offbeat, how it changes the energy of that section of the song.

Totally different feeling, really interesting stuff for someone like me who has never taken drum lessons and knows very little about drumming.

[stargroup100]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

While having knowledge of music theory can't hurt stepping, I don't see it being a requirement in any way, really.

it's not a requirement, you're right

I'm not sure how you see a correlation between musical knowledge then and stepcharting Stargroup

the more you know understand about music, the more patterns you can identify. the patterns you identify in the music tend to be reflected in your notecharting

seems pretty intuitive to me

on a serious note though i'd like details as to why you loved robotomy so much

robotomy, like I said in my review, challenged a lot of my previous conceptions of notecharting. the chart is highly chaotic, with very little discernible structure, and yet, it is in fact structured in a sense and done very well. the chaos also leads to crazier pattern choices, some of which I thought were very difficult to justify even putting in a chart, and yet in this chart they can be found everywhere. I played with chaos before (drove through ghosts to get here) but only on certain levels, and this chart takes it a few steps further. it's also the first time I've played a chart of this difficulty level that was done that well. it is so fast that the roll techniques most people use that I generally condemn can actually be effective here, as it starts to blend with other patterns. this is just what makes the chart unique. even through what seems like a mess of a song, you were able to pick out a lot of important sounds and details with high accuracy, showing strong technical abilities. the song itself, once you discern what's going on, is actually quite a fun marathon ride. all of these things contribute to this chart being one of a kind and fresh, as well as epic.

I get the feeling that there's a good chance this was a stroke of accidental genius for you (or maybe it isn't), but after playing this I learned much more about what makes scoring charts (or in general, high difficulty) fun, and how your style and ideas are relevant and contributes to what we could use. it is a very definitive (and probably one of the first) example of how artistry and extreme difficulties can in fact blend, and that the limits are far higher than what I initially predicted