Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

[L.B.D.D]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

all of u self proclaimed stepFile prodigies mus realize no matter whose file it is

that shit gets played by like 50 ppl max sry

[ilikexd]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

These days, I told A2P that GLoVE was pretty much the ultimate step artist. His files were hard, yet really fun to play. They were technical, but not a clusterfuck of colors and weird patterns some people used in the last years just for the sake of "looking technically correct". They were sorta unique because, even if there wasn't a GLoVE's cover art, you'd knew it was a file of him. And, most of all, the replay value of his charts were off the fucking hook. Most of my favorites files are by him: Born, Endless Sacrifice, This Dying Soul, Taking Back My Soul.

Another step artists that makes me feel like this towards his files, after some time, are wc and Kommisar. wc had the almost perfect balance of technicality and fun, just like GLoVE: Crunk de Gaulle, Liquid Requiem, Shuriken Cut, even fucking A Quick Death. Kommisar threw the most files I played, ever: Bad Maniacs, Licky, Plasmatextor, Staring at my Spaceship, Jumper, Retard Drums v2.

All of these files are my answers for this question. And they all represent my opinion, given my arguments.


EDIT: I forgot to mention ==Planet Karma==. Despite Stargroup wasn't mentioned, this file is also as close to perfect as any can get.

The fact that so many simfile artists still name GLoVE "the greatest or most significant or most influential" simfile artist ever only tells you how far Stepmania simfiling still is from becoming a serious art. Metal simfile judges have long recognized that the greatest metal simfile artists of all times are GLoVE and dascookieman, who were not the most famous or popular of their times, let alone of all times. Classical simfile judges rank the highly controversial stargroup over classical simfile artists who were highly popular in forums around FlashFlashRevolution. Simfile judges are still blinded by universal acclaim: Kommisar simfiles were played more than anyone else's (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Metal simfile judges grow up playing metal simfiles, classical simfile judges grow up playing a lot of classical simfiles of the past, they barely know the most popular. No wonder they will think that GLoVE did anything worth of being saved.

[MinaciousGrace]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

pertinent inquiry:

which simfile circle jerk, to you, is the largest. the stepmania simfile circle jerk or the ffr judging circle jerk?

and how would you characterize their relationship to one another? are they entirely separate jerking entities or are they more akin to a venn circle jerk- in which only a particular subject of jerkees partake in jerking within both circles while the remaining jerkees jerk only within their respective jerking confluences and simultaneously shun their counterparts while jerking the hybrids? or perhaps it is a single closed system, a self sustaining and infinite moebius jerk in which jerkage flows from one circuit into the other and back again; propelled by the insatiable desire of each jerkee to be jerked by all other jerkees until everything comes around full circle and they might as well just be masturbating while spinning in their chairs.

[ilikexd]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

pertinent inquiry:

which simfile circle jerk, to you, is the largest. the stepmania simfile circle jerk or the ffr judging circle jerk?

Easily the Kil circlejerk

[hi19hi19]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

all of u self proclaimed stepFile prodigies mus realize no matter whose file it is

that shit gets played by like 50 ppl max sry

honestly tho

If you're making files for ~internet notoriety~ idk man hate to break it to you but you're doing it wrong

I make files because it's relaxing and fun for me...

[L.B.D.D]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

idk you guys are making it sound like simfile making is some Grandiose Art That Can Only Be Appreciated By ArtisTe Men

which is not the case l0l i wish u guys would stop doing this whole Who Is Da Greates Of Al Tiem......CircleJerk shit

[L.B.D.D]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

the greatest of all time is konami so u gusy can stop arguing now

[DigitalS3r4ph]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

I'm definitely in the same camp as hi19hi19 though. All the files I've stepped, I stepped because they were fun and I enjoyed the song. I've played my files more frequently than I've played anyone else's, and I'm perfectly fine if no one else plays a single file of mine ever again.

Girls in Trouble, dekarengaaa~~

[stargroup100]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

idk you guys are making it sound like simfile making is some Grandiose Art That Can Only Be Appreciated By ArtisTe Men

which is not the case l0l i wish u guys would stop doing this whole Who Is Da Greates Of Al Tiem......CircleJerk shit

You are right, notecharting is not that, nor did I say it was. You don't have to be artistic to enjoy da Vinci's work, nor do all artistic people like da Vinci's work, but that doesn't change the fact that he's universally recognized as a great artist. That also doesn't mean he's the best artist in every respect. Mozart would probably not be a good rap artist, Snoop would not be a good jazz musician.

Similarly, Kil would not be as good a metal notecharter as GLoVE in my opinion, but the depth of his musical knowledge and insight in general surpasses that of GLoVE's I believe. And that is generally the basis I use for determining who I think is a great artist, which is not necessarily the same as the criteria I use to judge what I enjoy aesthetically.

The fact of the matter is I can come up with plenty of methods to demonstrably show my understanding of the medium. For example, based solely on someone's notechart, I can generally tell you about how much musical training or knowledge someone has, which is why I'm confident in my ability to judge artists by that aspect. And that's just one example.

You shouldn't care whether or not we judge artists this way, just as how one could listen to electronica and not care how highly people regard Bach. It doesn't change how good or important Bach is, and it doesn't force you to like him or his work.

[stargroup100]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

I'm actually getting a little bit tired of this double standard we have when it comes to art.

We know there's a difference between critical reception and popularity. We know the difference between Les Misérables and Harry Potter. We know there's a difference between Skrillex and Mozart. We don't question that they have different audiences with generally different desires and interests. Why is it that we can't make the distinction when it comes to games? Can't an artist be revered for critical acclaim without people caring about it?

Art in all of its different forms shape us both individually as well as as a society. Some people enjoy it aesthetically and look no further for gratification, and that's fine. But some of us choose to analyze these things and study them, in order to better understand them. Critical acclaim is simply positive acknowledgement from this subset of audiences.

If we understand better why certain foods taste good, we can then work towards making food taste even better. If we understand the implications of food (such as health), then we can figure out what kinds of foods we should be eating to better our society and us as individuals. Let the rest of us figure out how the food is affecting you, and you can decide what you want to eat. The same goes for games. Let us figure out how the games are impacting you, and we encourage (but do not force) you to use what we've learned to help you make a judgment that could potentially improve your experiences.

Don't discredit us for being elitist, because we are not forcing you to do anything or think like us. In fact, we do these not only for our thirst for knowledge and understanding, but also to help you. Whether or not you choose to use what we've learned is still totally up to you.

[L.B.D.D]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

ok

[Wayward Vagabond]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

You are right, notecharting is not that, nor did I say it was. You don't have to be artistic to enjoy da Vinci's work, nor do all artistic people like da Vinci's work, but that doesn't change the fact that he's universally recognized as a great artist. That also doesn't mean he's the best artist in every respect. Mozart would probably not be a good rap artist, Snoop would not be a good jazz musician.

Similarly, Kil would not be as good a metal notecharter as GLoVE in my opinion, but the depth of his musical knowledge and insight in general surpasses that of GLoVE's I believe. And that is generally the basis I use for determining who I think is a great artist, which is not necessarily the same as the criteria I use to judge what I enjoy aesthetically.

The fact of the matter is I can come up with plenty of methods to demonstrably show my understanding of the medium. For example, based solely on someone's notechart, I can generally tell you about how much musical training or knowledge someone has, which is why I'm confident in my ability to judge artists by that aspect. And that's just one example.

You shouldn't care whether or not we judge artists this way, just as how one could listen to electronica and not care how highly people regard Bach. It doesn't change how good or important Bach is, and it doesn't force you to like him or his work.

I'm curious as to how much musical knowledge you think I have based on my files

[Charu]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

I still say Ultraviolent Junglist that Valor made a chart for ODI3 is perfect.

Also, I'm reading your posts, stargroup, and I get this image of Dr. Breen from Half-Life 2. I have NO idea why, just thought you should know.

[DigitalS3r4ph]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

I'm curious as to how much musical knowledge you think I have based on my files

I've got musical knowledge of jumps and mini-jacks to Eurobeatz.

[choof]

Re: Which stepchart, to you, is as close to perfect as it gets?

stargroup you should talk to ilikexd about stepmania because we've argued before about rhythm gaming being art