yo people Keybeat Online is still up

[Tibbers]

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villain

[Coolboyrulez0]

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villain

this is what villains like me jam out to

[GammaBlaster]

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bufang doesn't care about permissions and throws in whatever he feels like

he's lucky keybeat is such a tiny niche game otherwise I really hope this would come back to bite him in the ass (see osu! when they had to remove all skrillex songs after his record label told peppy "fuck you" LOL)

I really want to see a snapshot of this lmfao

otherwise I'll have to take your word for it !!

[.Layne.]

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rip i had the pastebin for it too


ill try googling it lol

[stargroup100]

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edit: idk what kind of cringey bs i was writing

[Wayward Vagabond]

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being one the couple of people who talk to occasionally i can vouch for stargroup. he's a cool guy now even if he was kind of a douche in the past he's leveled out. regardless of how anyone else feels about him he's still a friend of mine who's trying to get things to work.

[moches]

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conflict is always going to exist in the community and if we don't learn to deal with it we're not going to get anywhere. that means learning to handle personal issues privately, allowing subcultures to thrive, and being supportive of community efforts in general.

this isn't aimed at anybody, really, just a reflection on the state of things right now in general.

[dAnceguy117]

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[Wafles]

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such as spambots being so aggressive that I had to turn off registration. I have been and am still trying to do what I can to work on it, but it starting to look like a dead end, and it's probably completely out of my control at this point.

Are you kidding me? lol

First off, Vbulletin 3 is outdated as fuck. Vbulletin 3 is mostly composed of legacy code from 2004

Further more, there are plenty of sites that use vbulletin 3 without issues to this day. reCaptcha is not hard to implement. You can't use the included captcha because its ancient and has been cracked years ago.

[stargroup100]

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You know, I actually totally forgot about that. I'm gonna ask bLast about what he can do, but I think a long time ago he mentioned that upgrading vbulletin would break the database and he'd have to rework a lot of stuff.

That point totally slipped my mind, thanks for reminding me.

[kommisar]

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Well, I guess it's inevitable that I'd be replying to this.

First of all, in concept KBO is extremely promising, and still is, but there are currently some major issues that I am unable to resolve right now, such as spambots being so aggressive that I had to turn off registration. I have been and am still trying to do what I can to work on it, but it starting to look like a dead end, and it's probably completely out of my control at this point. I've made some major progress and done a lot of work, including a scoring/life system that has been balanced across all difficulties (which no one in the rhythm game industry has done yet), developed an algorithmic approach to calculating the difficulty of a chart quite accurately, planned out concepts for new forms of gameplay that no one has done yet (including 3 different multiplayer modes), and created a structure for the site that handles in-game currency and social media (with bLast). I've also done a lot of independent research and work on rhythm gaming charting in general, and the bulk of my work can even be read here: http://www.cosmovibe.com/ncguide/ So I'm not just all talk and no results.

Secondly, the tension I had in the past with the KBO community was misplaced, exaggerated, and shouldn't have happened in the first place. Due to a combination of my own inexperience, lack of resolve, and desire to maximize interaction with the community, disagreements resulted from how to approach certain design points of the game. Eventually, most of the community ended up being okay with everything, after a lot of successful compromises. My hotheadedness was a result of my determination, passion, and an unstable mental state.

And that brings me to my last point. The reason why #kbo hates me is actually due to a very particular incident. I won't go into detail about the incident in particular but I will explain why it's related. Basically, like I said before, I wasn't very mentally stable a couple of years ago, and compounded with a lot of other issues I had, such as stress, social problems, and naivete, I ended up making a mistake which deeply upset Xiao and GD, and it began to spill over to some of my other relationships as well, such as that with Kommi. There are many reasons why I took a "long hiatus": bLast had problems of his own so he couldn't continue development at the time, I needed some time to get myself sorted out, and given my relationship with the community I figured it was best I lay low for a while. Since then, I've been taking medications which have stablized myself mentally, I've been doing more productive things in my life, and I've got a lot more life experience. You guys can even look back at posts I've made in the past year or so to see the transition I've made. Clearly, however, GD has not let this go. I'd think that after a couple of years this would've dissolved, but it doesn't seem to be the case. It was an honest mistake which I have apologized earnestly for countless times before, but in retrospect it's not even that big of a deal now. Whether or not he ever gets over this, it has nothing to do with me now. I'm disappointed that someone I respected couldn't handle this maturely after all this time, but I don't hold grudges. I welcome anyone who is open and friendly. The only reason I cared about "administrative power" on #kbo was because I felt it was disrespectful to take the name of a community I had developed, and I didn't want the community to detach from the reason why it formed in the first place, which is exactly what happened. Obviously, I don't care anymore, but I feel like a lot of what has been said about me so far has been very one-sided. I never bothered to respond to it because I never felt it necessary, but since everyone's being open here I might as well too.

There have been a couple of people within this community that I've still been talking to occasionally for all this time, so if you don't take my word you can even go ask them for their opinion. At this point, I'm not too concerned with what direction KBO is headed. I'll keep trying to make it work, but if it doesn't recover, I have plenty of ways where I can apply all the work I've already done to other projects in the future. I'm always going to feel a little bit of regret that I didn't get it to work when and how I wanted it to, but I guess not everything has to work out. It's kinda sad how this one incident tore the entire community, but I'm always gonna be here in some way, shape, or form. As much as we make fun of it, there's no question that StepMania has changed my life, mostly for the better. I don't think this post can be a major factor in repairing that chronic damage, but I figured it wouldn't hurt.

This is probably one of the most serious things I've ever written this year LOL

good.


if the community comes back, you aught to listen to it this time around.

[Fission]

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I'm gonna ask bLast

oh, you mean that dead guy?

[Coolboyrulez0]

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whats good bufang

you sound much more confident than a few months ago; props to you

[stargroup100]

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good.


if the community comes back, you aught to listen to it this time around.

There's a difference between listening to community feedback and blindly listening to the community. Yes, I do value the community, and I take anything you guys say to heart. It's always been that way and hasn't changed. I didn't make KBO for my own health. However, one of the reasons why I even started this project in the first place was because I didn't like the lack of rigorous design and integrity in FFR, and if I listen to the community when it conflicts with something important like that, then we're back where we started and not much different from FFR. Obviously, I try to come up with solutions that make everyone happy if possible, but when that isn't the case, I have more confidence in my own judgment than that of the masses. Of course, if someone actually makes a valid point or mentions something of importance that I overlooked, that's another matter entirely.

Part of the reason why there was such a huge tear in the community about this back in the day was because of you actually. When the community asked for a feature I disagreed with, and I gave my reasoning, all you did was rally people to spearhead a protest against me, rather than considering the rationale behind my design principles. Even Arch0wl, who usually disagreed with most of my ideas, at least understood why I reach the conclusions I did and attempted to come up with compromises.

oh, you mean that dead guy?

I hope he doesn't care about me posting this bit from our Gchat.

Pedro Pedrosa
i'm leaving my current job
probably at november 4th
or something like that

Which was yesterday. We're hopefully gonna have a chat tonight and get things rolling again.

[Fission]

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coolio, looking forward to it