The Fitness Thread

[Senip]

Re: The Fitness Thread

speaking of weed: smoked a little before gym, crazy pumps and felt everything working the way I wanted it to. Will do again.

[mnnicol]

Re: The Fitness Thread

I participated in my first ever eating competition today

All in all, lots of friendly people and the weather was decent (given the forecast said to expect a thunderstorm today)

Last year, there were only 4 people competing and the year before, there were only 6 people. This year, there were 16 people competing, and the guy who came in 1st (and also last year's winner) is supposedly a professional eater. Guy ended up eating 26 clam cakes in 10 mins (he ate 24 last year).

And I ended up in second place today eating 24 clam cakes. Soclose.jpg

1st place on the right, me in middle, 3rd on the left.


I think I was a bit self-conscious towards the start 'cos there were so many people watching us and it was my first time participating in an event like this. But hell, second place isn't too bad...I'll take it. Plus, I got a $50 gift voucher to the restaurant

[Choofers]

Re: The Fitness Thread

lookin kinda pale there, did you give blood recently

grats though!

[Jerry DB]

Re: The Fitness Thread

speaking of weed: smoked a little before gym, crazy pumps and felt everything working the way I wanted it to. Will do again.

That's how I feel, it just lets you be more in tune and sensitive to the workout in my opinion. Everybody I know thinks it's crazy to smoke before you work out but I think they are letting it get too much into their head and aren't hydrated or something. I am about to quit smoking although I don't do it a huge amount anyways, or just get a vaporizer for when I do smoke. I want to have perfect lungs for when I step into the cage next summer. I might do it sooner but my goal is to be ahead of the pack and ready by next summer, gives me plenty of time to train hard and do tons of horrible conditioning. Actually smoking it isn't the greatest idea for me but meh, if nick/nate diaz can do it I feel safe with the amount I've done/rate I smoke

[Wayward Vagabond]

Re: The Fitness Thread

ive been drinking 2 gallons of water a day

thats not bad right

[Reach]

Re: The Fitness Thread

There is no way to prove this but just look at them, see them fight/train/what they supplement on and what their diet is, and give it a second opinion.
I'm just going to list the top ten pound for pound from ufc.com because if you just look up top ten you might get a retarded list haha(not that this one is perfect but it is definitely a good example)
1 Anderson Silva
2 Jon Jones
3 Georges St-Pierre
4 Jose Aldo
5 Benson Henderson
6 Cain Velasquez
7 Demetrious Johnson
8 Renan Barao
9 Dominick Cruz
10 Frankie Edgar

I completely recognize the fact that some MMA fighters are likely completely clean. Again, it's not like PEDs create talent or skill.

None of those guys have taken wet AAS compounds, which is probably what you associated with steroid usage.

HOWEVER, to be fair here, there are many types of PEDs and lot of these guys could be using the following and you would never ever know:

- hGH at a fairly low dose. The low dose is to avoid gaining water weight (or even excessive muscle weight) which would slow them down. It is mostly used to enhance recovery, allow them to tolerate more volume of work and MOSTLY for tendon strethening/repair. Fighters are like F1 racing cars: high performance but break VERY easily. A common approach is 4-6IU EOD.

- Insulin (mostly humalog or novolog). This is to facilitate recovery by enhancing glycogen resynthesis following training. It isn't used all the time; mostly after the most grueling training days (e.g. a day where they would have both high volume track work and strength training). Peptides are legal and anyone can get this shit at a pharmacy no questions asked. Very hard to detect on a piss test. Ez money.

- EPO. The role of EPO for improving endurance is well known. For that reason it is mostly associated with endurance athletes and it is often assumed that it doesn't give anything to the power/strength athlete. That is not true. EPO allows one to tolerate a greater overall volume of work and increases the rate of recovery. In performance athletics, drugs are mostly used to allow the athlete to train more often and with more volume.

EPO is also really fucking easy to get. I have some in my fridge and I've never taken any illegal drugs. I don't take it, but I'm just saying. XD

- Testosterone. Some synthetic steroids might be used far away from competition (if the athlete doesn't live in a country that conducts random testing) but testosterone is the most comonly used AAS to improve strength and power. It is much easier to pass the drug tests when using testosterone, especially since some natural compounds can decrease the testo/Epitesto ratio that is used to test for testostetone use. A lot of athletes can get away with 50mg of testosterone propionate or suspension every 3 days without testing positive... some races can even use much higher doses of testosterone than that because they lack the enzyme UGT2B17 which increases testosterone excretion in the urine. Approximately 60% of Asians have very low levels of this enzyme. More than 50% of the individuals having low levels of enzymes can take 300-400mg of testosterone per week and not test positive.


And doping tests are super easy to beat.

Many countries/federation do ''home tests'' for their athletes. So they know EXACTLY when they need to stop using XYZ substance and which one they can keep taking without testing positive. Each physiology is different so this gives top athletes (as it is very expensive) the insurance of being able to use without risking testing positive.

A lot of the people who design drug tests are hired by some countries/federation to explain how to beat the tests.

A urine test needs to know the exact chemical structure that they are testing for. It can either be a drug itself or it's metabolites. Any decent chemist can make slight modification to the structure of a drug to make it undetectable (e.g. the clear).

[Wayward Vagabond]

Re: The Fitness Thread

ive been drinking 2 gallons of water a day

thats not bad right

This is actually a serious question since i know over hydration exists and i don't know what would be considered too much. online searches don't really yield any valuable results and i figured y'all would know

[phe0nixblade]

Re: The Fitness Thread

the literal only thing i drink anymore is water and i smoke lotsa weed so i need it for my drymouth and i've never ran into problems from drinking too much water unless i had a big meal beforehand

[i love you]

Re: The Fitness Thread

@WV: That should be fine. I would say that drinking 3 gallons or more is pushing it during non-workout days. On workout days, you could get away with it since you are burning more Calories and losing water during the process.

[phe0nixblade]

Re: The Fitness Thread

speaking of weed: smoked a little before gym, crazy pumps and felt everything working the way I wanted it to. Will do again.

qft because man my lifts when i smoke a blunt before hand are just more on point and i feel less fatigued after working out than i normally would

[Wayward Vagabond]

Re: The Fitness Thread

@WV: That should be fine. I would say that drinking 3 gallons or more is pushing it during non-workout days. On workout days, you could get away with it since you are burning more Calories and losing water during the process.

yeah, makes sense.

[Senip]

Re: The Fitness Thread

I completely recognize the fact that some MMA fighters are likely completely clean. Again, it's not like PEDs create talent or skill.

None of those guys have taken wet AAS compounds, which is probably what you associated with steroid usage.

HOWEVER, to be fair here, there are many types of PEDs and lot of these guys could be using the following and you would never ever know:

- hGH at a fairly low dose. The low dose is to avoid gaining water weight (or even excessive muscle weight) which would slow them down. It is mostly used to enhance recovery, allow them to tolerate more volume of work and MOSTLY for tendon strethening/repair. Fighters are like F1 racing cars: high performance but break VERY easily. A common approach is 4-6IU EOD.

- Insulin (mostly humalog or novolog). This is to facilitate recovery by enhancing glycogen resynthesis following training. It isn't used all the time; mostly after the most grueling training days (e.g. a day where they would have both high volume track work and strength training). Peptides are legal and anyone can get this shit at a pharmacy no questions asked. Very hard to detect on a piss test. Ez money.

- EPO. The role of EPO for improving endurance is well known. For that reason it is mostly associated with endurance athletes and it is often assumed that it doesn't give anything to the power/strength athlete. That is not true. EPO allows one to tolerate a greater overall volume of work and increases the rate of recovery. In performance athletics, drugs are mostly used to allow the athlete to train more often and with more volume.

EPO is also really fucking easy to get. I have some in my fridge and I've never taken any illegal drugs. I don't take it, but I'm just saying. XD

- Testosterone. Some synthetic steroids might be used far away from competition (if the athlete doesn't live in a country that conducts random testing) but testosterone is the most comonly used AAS to improve strength and power. It is much easier to pass the drug tests when using testosterone, especially since some natural compounds can decrease the testo/Epitesto ratio that is used to test for testostetone use. A lot of athletes can get away with 50mg of testosterone propionate or suspension every 3 days without testing positive... some races can even use much higher doses of testosterone than that because they lack the enzyme UGT2B17 which increases testosterone excretion in the urine. Approximately 60% of Asians have very low levels of this enzyme. More than 50% of the individuals having low levels of enzymes can take 300-400mg of testosterone per week and not test positive.


And doping tests are super easy to beat.

Many countries/federation do ''home tests'' for their athletes. So they know EXACTLY when they need to stop using XYZ substance and which one they can keep taking without testing positive. Each physiology is different so this gives top athletes (as it is very expensive) the insurance of being able to use without risking testing positive.

A lot of the people who design drug tests are hired by some countries/federation to explain how to beat the tests.

A urine test needs to know the exact chemical structure that they are testing for. It can either be a drug itself or it's metabolites. Any decent chemist can make slight modification to the structure of a drug to make it undetectable (e.g. the clear).

Plus, there's stuff like anavar and other things, where it's so mild that it just...won't show up, but it's still an edge.

[Jerry DB]

Re: The Fitness Thread

I completely recognize the fact that some MMA fighters are likely completely clean. Again, it's not like PEDs create talent or skill.

None of those guys have taken wet AAS compounds, which is probably what you associated with steroid usage.

HOWEVER, to be fair here, there are many types of PEDs and lot of these guys could be using the following and you would never ever know:

- hGH at a fairly low dose. The low dose is to avoid gaining water weight (or even excessive muscle weight) which would slow them down. It is mostly used to enhance recovery, allow them to tolerate more volume of work and MOSTLY for tendon strethening/repair. Fighters are like F1 racing cars: high performance but break VERY easily. A common approach is 4-6IU EOD.

- Insulin (mostly humalog or novolog). This is to facilitate recovery by enhancing glycogen resynthesis following training. It isn't used all the time; mostly after the most grueling training days (e.g. a day where they would have both high volume track work and strength training). Peptides are legal and anyone can get this shit at a pharmacy no questions asked. Very hard to detect on a piss test. Ez money.

- EPO. The role of EPO for improving endurance is well known. For that reason it is mostly associated with endurance athletes and it is often assumed that it doesn't give anything to the power/strength athlete. That is not true. EPO allows one to tolerate a greater overall volume of work and increases the rate of recovery. In performance athletics, drugs are mostly used to allow the athlete to train more often and with more volume.

EPO is also really fucking easy to get. I have some in my fridge and I've never taken any illegal drugs. I don't take it, but I'm just saying. XD

- Testosterone. Some synthetic steroids might be used far away from competition (if the athlete doesn't live in a country that conducts random testing) but testosterone is the most comonly used AAS to improve strength and power. It is much easier to pass the drug tests when using testosterone, especially since some natural compounds can decrease the testo/Epitesto ratio that is used to test for testostetone use. A lot of athletes can get away with 50mg of testosterone propionate or suspension every 3 days without testing positive... some races can even use much higher doses of testosterone than that because they lack the enzyme UGT2B17 which increases testosterone excretion in the urine. Approximately 60% of Asians have very low levels of this enzyme. More than 50% of the individuals having low levels of enzymes can take 300-400mg of testosterone per week and not test positive.


And doping tests are super easy to beat.

Many countries/federation do ''home tests'' for their athletes. So they know EXACTLY when they need to stop using XYZ substance and which one they can keep taking without testing positive. Each physiology is different so this gives top athletes (as it is very expensive) the insurance of being able to use without risking testing positive.

A lot of the people who design drug tests are hired by some countries/federation to explain how to beat the tests.

A urine test needs to know the exact chemical structure that they are testing for. It can either be a drug itself or it's metabolites. Any decent chemist can make slight modification to the structure of a drug to make it undetectable (e.g. the clear).

God damn do you know your stuff. Yea I definitely wasn't talking about the PEDs you mentioned but I'm aware they exist as many of my friends take assorted PEDs that I never bother to research because I don't want to take them either. I really should expand my knowledge on both sides. There are still a decent amount of guys who probably take in PEDs other then AAS substances only when they really need it and are hurting. That seems like something Mike Dolce would do to all of his clients, the guy is an expert at nutrition and cutting weight but he often completely maps out the diet/supplementation of his fighters. I'm sure he wants what is best for his clients and would urge them to take certain substances if they needed them at the time in a convincing way so his job as a "nutritionist" seemed more efficient. Either way I would never be like"oh he only won because he was on something" I think every fight is even from the start, you both had plenty of time train and if you put so much confidence in drugs you might still not train as hard because you are just thinking about how you will perform better. If they train hard as their body lets them while ON these substances, their aggression, confidence, and lack of respect for their opponent often is their downfall in their fight. I mean if you can't push your body as hard because you're natural, you are most likely going to have as efficient technique and training as possible to avoid injury and fatigue. Like I said earlier sure you can have this mentality and be on something, but there is always something in a fight to counter what you will be facing, there is always a way to win. I mean there are so many elements to MMA and the drugs these athletes take are actually way less of a factor then any sport I am interested in. This is all I care about and why I have such passion for training, plus it's just fun as hell as long as you don't mind being hit, I mean you get used to it so it's really not as scary as people may think to the point where they need to be on something.

[mnnicol]

Re: The Fitness Thread

This is actually a serious question since i know over hydration exists and i don't know what would be considered too much. online searches don't really yield any valuable results and i figured y'all would know

I generally go for 1.5 - 2 gallons, so you'll be fine.

[Zaevod]

Re: The Fitness Thread

I wasn't too sure whether I should post here or not... Anyway, this is me, before I had dengue nearly a month ago and lost 10 or so pounds:


21 years old, 5'8", 190 pounds at the time I took the picture. I'm still struggling to get those pounds back because the dengue affected my liver and I couldn't use my supplements for a month or so (let alone train for the first weeks).