ODIPack3 submissions (Release when graphics are done)

[Choofers]

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dunno why people are complaining about having files rejected

this isn't a FFR Season Pack, ladies and gentlemen. you have to think about your files, play them multiple times, iron out awkward parts, make it overall fun.

think about it this way. how many files are still played from odipacks 1 and 2, and how many files are still played from, say, ffr summer '11 and '12?

[hi19hi19]

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yo seriously anyone interested in a collab

I have the file like 60% done but it's bad and I suck at stepping this kind of song but it's a really good song but I haven't stepped anything in a long time and im bad now and skfj

halp

looking for someone who can help me make this into a good polyrhythm patashu midnight dragon overlayered climax theory but not dump hard file
the song is begging for it but i am terrible at this kind of stepping

[Choofers]

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send 2 meeee

[swordmasterz]

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think about it this way. how many files are still played from odipacks 1 and 2, and how many files are still played from, say, ffr summer '11 and '12?

That's kinda less about the quality of files and more about the release times though <_>

If FFR summer '11 and '12 had been released at the same time as ODI1/2 I'm sure they would have had at least similar playcounts

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Question, but are you planning on forcing incorporation of easier charts? It's been a recent initiative to cater to newbie/less-skilled players.

Also are you gonna judge the whole pack by yourself?

[Roar176]

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I agree with ginuwine

[Dynam0]

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Just some random 'stats' on my own preferences if you will:

Never Say (Boring and not much need for a re-step from the original)
Colored (I still don't think I've played this before cuz it sounds boring)
Party in the Shop (Sounds gay and too easy)
Healing Vision Rmx (I recall this sucking pretty bad)
Soliton Beam (Boring and not one of malice's best, in other words it sucks)
Love Generation (Haven't tried/don't want to cuz lame song)
Caring Dance (Yawnnnn)
Nightmare (Sounds boring, still haven't tried this surprisingly lmao)
Parasomnia (Probably another one I need to play again)
Perdition Crisis (I was at my wits end with seeing touhou music by this point so no)
Crystal Ann (omg gay song/banner why would i want to play this)
Shylph (boring)
Wrapped Around The Pole (it was frowned upon to play this cmod so i never actually tried this at all rofl. also Ossa files were hugely overrated and had way too many freezes in them ughhhhh)

Total: 13/66 = ~20% of the pack I don't play at all/haven't even tried these files

-Battlefield
-BattleJam
-Breaking Through The Gate
-Centipede
-El Perdedor
-Grave Consequence
-Meteralice
-Passage D -Neus Remix-
-PRESENTER
-Sayonaramatane
-The Island Pt.2

-Activation Synthesis Theory
-AVALON
-Harvest Dance
-Hatsune Miko no Shoushitsu
-Kimi no Heart ni Lock-on
-Neurotoxin
-VALLISTA
-Vortex
-Weapon
-Where's Bill

So out of the files I have tried, I would regularly play: (10/21) ~50%

The rest of the pack I haven't tried cuz song sounds boring or I haven't seen scores on the others (tbh). I highly doubt I would replay 80+% of the songs I have yet to try :s

That being said the appeal doesn't come from quality at all but target audience is based on song choice and song intensity. ODIPacks cater to someone like me who particularly likes metal, swing, techy beats, and most importantly -DIFFICULT FILES-. The other huge turn-off for me is mines. For me personally, that's what determines replay value. There's no question that FFR Summer 2012 files were charted well; however, the song choice really kills it for me in addition to nonsensical amounts of mines to make a boring chart more difficult :s.

I don't think Glove is being 'elitist' when he makes rejections on these files, I think he just has a different target audience in mind than the people submitting the files.

[dascookieman]

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That's kinda less about the quality of files and more about the release times though <_>

If FFR summer '11 and '12 had been released at the same time as ODI1/2 I'm sure they would have had at least similar playcounts

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Question, but are you planning on forcing incorporation of easier charts? It's been a recent initiative to cater to newbie/less-skilled players.

Also are you gonna judge the whole pack by yourself?

i am not gonna force incorporation of easier charts. although i like it, i have several reasons not to do it

i am planning on judging the pack by myself like with ODI2, but i'm sure i will need some help from kommisar

I think you might have missed my submission (Poppin' Shower). Should I send it again?

i don't have it in my mail box, that's odd. try resending it

[James May]

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I guess I should resend Mudkip as well :/...unless I sent it in after you judged the first set. Anyhow, glad to have you back glove~

[t-rogdor]

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Hype

[stargroup100]

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i will finish one of my wips and submit look foward to it

THIS GUY. OUTTA NOWHERE

It's good. This will ensure every file has been taken apart and fixed to its best potential.

except it's subjective

Sure, it's not my pack and maybe I shouldn't have been so passive aggressive, but I just don't want to take a step back when we've done so much to eliminate elitism these past years. Technicality isn't everything, if someone "missed 1 drum note" then maybe that's how they meant to express the song. There's only so much that can be considered objectively wrong

I'm a little bit late but I do want to put in my two cents

the community has developed quite a bit recently. ever since the light chancellors packs way back in the day the "elitism" attitude has pretty much been broken down. it's been shown that just about anyone can make decent charts, and this fact alone makes it very difficult for any sort of elitism to re-emerge, as an elitist movement needs to have a reason or cause to back it up

however, right now we really push the community in a different direction. as I've mentioned before in my ffrcp4 notes, the community is taking the "new-school" charting styles well, but it's doing so at the cost of other important factors, like control over note density, transcription accuracy, and smooth pattern flow. this is because people are trying to be fancy before mastering the fundamentals, so reverting back to a more "oldschool" technical style is something the community needs

tl;dr don't fight it, embrace it

[bmah]

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side note: elitism still exists, not so much in the form of chart acceptance/rejection, but rather in the form of people's favorite files. The favoritism is especially noticeable within pack reviews (e.g. Kil files in moches' most recent pack) and is a personal pet peeve of mine as a stepper.

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anyhow, responses for my Five Regrets file:

1) there's something really weird going on in measure 19-20, this needs to be looked at.
2) measure 40, the first two piano notes almost sound like 16th gallops? its really subtle though so you can have it any way youd like, same for measure 42 though.
3) measure 42, 1 16ths too much
4) measure 47, there's 32nds or smth like that just where that measure starts if you want to add that.
5) measure 48-50, i would make the rest of the melody notes here freezes as well so that it gets a lot easier to follow when playing since it's an easy part anyway
6) maybe adjust the end of the file as well so that it doesn't have freezes at all going to the lead melody instead of one every once in a while. but this is up to you

1) I believe that's a very slight deviation in the syncing of the instrument being played. I didn't bother trying to make them into 192nds or something weird and colorful; that'd sorta compromise simplicity/readability. You might've also found previous examples of very slight syncing deviations such as in measure 17. Again, generalization is the way to go here.

2) ??? (wouldn't make much sense from a music theory/composition perspective though)

3) That left arrow 8th is actually the hi-hats, which the surrounding 8th jumps also follow. I can only cover this appreciably in this area, since it's relatively empty. Subsequent parts of the song becomes increasingly complex. In any case, I removed the hi-hat arrows. There should be a total of 858 steps in the heavy difficulty now.

4) ???

5) Heh, you think so? The small freezes are more of a visual touch to the cymbal crashes.

6) Hmm, that'd homogenize the chart I'd think. It's a matter of taste, but I'd like to think of those freezes as making the main melody stand out a bit more from the rest of the layering.


Anyways, thank you very much for your thoughts. I'll send the revision.

[dascookieman]

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I guess I should resend Mudkip as well :/...unless I sent it in after you judged the first set. Anyhow, glad to have you back glove~

i have recieved mudkip! just havn't played it yet, it will be in the next batch of reviews.

3) That left arrow 8th is actually the hi-hats, which the surrounding 8th jumps also follow. I can only cover this appreciably in this area, since it's relatively empty. Subsequent parts of the song becomes increasingly complex. In any case, I removed the hi-hat arrows. There should be a total of 858 steps in the heavy difficulty now.

tru dat it was my mistake. although removing the hi-hats from that section is a good idea.

4) ???

the descending piano roll right before measure 47 starts... you can't miss it. how it should be handled is a good question though.

5) Heh, you think so? The small freezes are more of a visual touch to the cymbal crashes.

yeah i know, i was thinking you can make the other lead notes here a 16th long and make the cymbal crash freezes even shorter, but this is totally up to you

6) Hmm, that'd homogenize the chart I'd think. It's a matter of taste, but I'd like to think of those freezes as making the main melody stand out a bit more from the rest of the layering.

yes it is absolutely fine, do as you like with this as well

also randomly found something else just going through your post now, in the middle of measure 50 there's a color note missing going to the lead

i will play your revision tomorrow, just resend it again if you change anything else until then. seems like five regrets is going to be the first completly accepted file in the pack

[James May]

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i have recieved mudkip! just havn't played it yet, it will be in the next batch of reviews.

Cool~

[bmah]

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the descending piano roll right before measure 47 starts... you can't miss it. how it should be handled is a good question though.

Oh, seems like another case of 1), where the chord might be ever so slightly off. In this case though, I changed one of the jumps to a pair of grace notes (the offsync note is a 64th).

Also added an arrow to a piano note that neither of us seem to have caught earlier (towards the end).

Sent the revision (I made an earlier revision, but ignore that please). Total arrows should be 860 in the heavy difficulty.

[TC_Halogen]

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Gonna bring out the big guns for this pack -- I'd love to see files of mine in ODI3. As of right now, I'm stepping Through Her Eyes, by Jordan Rudess -- we'll see where I go from here.