FFR 6th Official Tourney Songs Discussion: Round 4

[psychoangel691]

Re: 6th Official FFR Tournament - Round 4 has started!

Lol at Halycon being a FMO.

Come on guys. Bump it now, it isn't even debatable.

While you are at it, bump Mutant Corecore as well.

If anyone says the D5 song is not an FMO, you suck.

I could see it go either way, although lean towards keeping it as FMO

2cents,

The D5 song is an FMO. It's hard but it's not ridiculous. Aside from a few patterns (and if you suck at jumpstream) it really isn't FGO material, but all things considered it passes for an 11 for sure.

Seems that the community thinks it is debatable. Really for me it's borderlineish, but being that most of the file plays like a 10 or low fmo I'd say I'm on the fmo side for it too.

[bballa48]

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Halcyon is FMO...

It's got a few awkward patterns and (somewhat) dense parts, and a few parts that are easier. I feel like it balances out to FMO.

Go play Honki, then play Halycon.

Absolutely no way.

Edit: I swear some of you need to go play some low 12s today. Go play Frictional Nevada. Go play Pants. Heck, play Ketsarku. Those files are just not hard, I am sorry. Halycon is absurdly fast, has crazy bursts, AND several difficulty spikes that are incredibly hard to AAA.

[Mike Weedmark]

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Go play Honki, then play Halycon.

Absolutely no way.

Edit: I swear some of you need to go play some low 12s today. Go play Frictional Nevada. Go play Pants. Heck, play Ketsarku. Those files are just not hard, I am sorry. Halycon is absurdly fast, has crazy bursts, AND several difficulty spikes that are incredibly hard to AAA.

Couldn't agree more with this. It's not like I don't think Halcyon is an FMO. I just think no one's really paying attention to what deserves to go where anymore. Halcyon is NOT an easier song than Ketsarku, FN, or Pants. I don't consider it easier than Beer. It's not easier than Honki by a LONG SHOT. Even the thought of playing some average FGOs like God Channel or RAN bothers me less than the idea of replaying Halcyon.

Go ahead and put Halcyon as an FMO. Just make sure all the songs that are easier than it... are also FMO.

And a looooooooooooooot of FGOs have long spans of the file that are a lot easier than VC material. Pants, anyone? It alternates between 6 and 12, with a lot more of it being 6.

[who_cares973]

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ok im tired of people quoting 2-3 people and saying that those couple comments represents the communities opinion

no comments by 2-3 people does not mean the community

[bmah]

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There are a lot of factors one has to consider for rating difficulties. For instance, what's considered an FGO? You not only need to consider how long such difficulty and arrow density is sustained, but how sharp of a difficulty it is. Pants has several parts which are very empty, but the jumpstream sections are long and relentless, not to mention that the song as a whole is very long - Pants focuses on consistency.

Determining difficulties is such a finicky thing, even for files that appear to be "blatantly misrated".

[psychoangel691]

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ok im tired of people quoting 2-3 people and saying that those couple comments represents the communities opinion

no comments by 2-3 people does not mean the community

I wasn't using it to justify the FMO rating, just to show that it's not just "omg it's a 12 hands down" Actually this was the least contested thus far. Last few rounds the instant the files were up there was a huge influx of people contesting. This time there were none the night of the release and was only brought up by 2 people at the start of today, which now in turn has started the debate.

Also there are a lot of 12s that probably shouldn't be 12s.

[who_cares973]

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that really wasnt directed towards you but it was the straw that broke the camels back lol. im tired of either side saying the community this and the majority that when the people are really only talking about a ridiculously small percentage of people among the community

[TC_Halogen]

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Using honki sentai for ANY FGO argument is completely unfair. It's an ex-FMO and quite frankly had absolutely no reason to be brought up from the FMO area. There's -still- people on the site going on about how it should be a FMO, and those of you who helped get the rating changed: shame on you.

Another thing that is absolutely aggravating about everyone trying to get Halcyon changed is that they're trying to compare it to other FGOs that they are GOOD at. Do you guys see me yelling at JX to get a song like Largiloquent Dithyramb changed because I can only FC the jacks one out of every ten runs? Yeah, you'll see me getting it changed - to the rightful rating of VC that it deserves, considering the rest of the song has absolutely nothing that merits FMO.

You guys need to stop worrying about difficulties of songs as assets of your level ranks and start worrying about them for the sake of having more accurate rating scale.

By the way, I tested Halcyon before it went into the game and I too thought that it was difficult. Do I think it could qualify as a FGO? Possibly, with good reason. Let the song sit and watch the scores of the -entire- community. You can't say a song isn't debatable until you see actual data representing people scoring poorly on it. Right now, it looks like there's a chance it could be shifted into the FGO territory, but the song hasn't been out long enough yet.

And those of you who are saying Mourning the Lost is easier than Halcyon, it's not because it's an easier file, it's because it's a simpler file to handle due to a lack of variation of skills required; it's either jumpstream or stream and that's really it.

EDIT: also Toxiferous Dystopia is the biggest pile of shit on this planet and I still hate that it's FMO (personal opinion, lmfao)

[Mike Weedmark]

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There are a lot of factors one has to consider for rating difficulties. For instance, what's considered an FGO? You not only need to consider how long such difficulty and arrow density is sustained, but how sharp of a difficulty it is. Pants has several parts which are very empty, but the jumpstream sections are long and relentless, not to mention that the song as a whole is very long - Pants focuses on consistency.

Determining difficulties is such a finicky thing, even for files that appear to be "blatantly misrated".

bmah, I loooooooooooooooooooooove you, but... Just as an experiment, play Novo Mundo, then Halcyon immediately after, and then Honki. I mean, okay, you stepped two of those, so you probably don't actually have to. But you're telling me those gaps aren't blatant enough to warrant some level changes? There's no way I should be able to set FFR to random 11s and land on both Novo and Halcyon without ever getting Honki or Guitar Sounds. It's crazy I tell you

[psychoangel691]

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bmah, I loooooooooooooooooooooove you, but... Just as an experiment, play Novo Mundo, then Halcyon immediately after, and then Honki. I mean, okay, you stepped two of those, so you probably don't actually have to. But you're telling me those gaps aren't blatant enough to warrant some level changes? There's no way I should be able to set FFR to random 11s and land on both Novo and Halcyon without ever getting Honki or Guitar Sounds. It's crazy I tell you

Novo is contested as a 10 and has been for like ever.

[Gundam-Dude]

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With a scale as restricted and small as the 13 difficulties FFR uses, there will always be difficulty discrepancies, especially with the end of the spectrum with hard files. If the scale were larger in number, there probably wouldn't be nearly as many complaints about files being rated "wrong" or "inaccurately".

As wc mentioned, the ones who actually speak their mind and assert their point of "Why this file is rated inaccurately" only make up a small percentage of players. Honestly, the only way to actually settle difficulty debate matters fairly are with public polls/surveys of some sort asking for the actual community's input as opposed to the abysmal percentage of people complaining. Although at the same time it's very likely a shitstorm will ensue, lol.

It's not a big deal. It's not the end of the world. Ratings don't define the file at hand, it's just there to guide you aka "WHOA THIS IS RATED AN 11 IT MUST BE HARD". Play the files and disregard the numbers for once.

[bmah]

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bmah, I loooooooooooooooooooooove you, but... Just as an experiment, play Novo Mundo, then Halcyon immediately after, and then Honki. I mean, okay, you stepped two of those, so you probably don't actually have to. But you're telling me those gaps aren't blatant enough to warrant some level changes? There's no way I should be able to set FFR to random 11s and land on both Novo and Halcyon without ever getting Honki or Guitar Sounds. It's crazy I tell you

Hard to say. Tell that to someone who is great at consistency and they'll tell you Pants is quite easy (e.g. icyworld), and vice versa. Tell that to someone who's good at jumpstreams and they'll tell you Pants is easy, but for a different reason. Note that I'm not actually agreeing or disagreeing with the actual ratings you gave for the songs you listed. I'm just showing how I can't jump to a conclusion just from your logic alone.

There's too many factors to accurately rate difficulties, at least to my satifaction. I don't rate files for FFR for a reason.

[hi19hi19]

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In other news, I played it again and SAMBISTA still makes me rage. So incredibly inconsistently stepped and not fun at all to play


whyyyyyy bmah

[TC_Halogen]

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Another good post from G-D, as usual.

FFR's official mediator :3

[Mike Weedmark]

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Largiloquent Dithyramb changed because I can only FC the jacks one out of every ten runs?

As a random aside, it delights me to know Halogen is the same as me at something haha

And those of you who are saying Mourning the Lost is easier than Halcyon

Okay, come on. I think Halcyon should be FGO, but Mourning The Lost is loooooolll hard. There's no way Halcyon touches it.