The world in 4000

[Cavernio]

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K, so now I've read people's posts, and I'm surprised only 1 other person was like 'yeah, life on the moon and mars!'
I think that *if* we manage to travel near the speed of light, or get ftl travel, we'll manage to colonize other worlds too, ones we don't even know about. I also think they'd still have ties to earth. I think the possibility of humans colonizing a planet and then have no contact with the rest of civilization be very, very slim.

Religion won't disappear unless humanity genetically moves towards smart, aspergian savants, where emotions wouldn't exist. (not saying all aspergerians are smart or emotionally stunted, just picking up on a very niche type of person.)

It seems everyone's views of the world are really dismal. I could totally see us killing most of the human species, but I doubt we'd kill off everyone. We could be put back into the stone age with nuclear explosions and stuff though. But I don't think that will happen; although it does only take 1 person. What we need to do is start storing information in space, safe from the effects of nuclear blasts :-p

Thing like hovercars I don't think would be popular simply because they'd be big. My future doesn't have enough space for individuals or families to own such massive things as even a smart car. Bicycle sized or scooter, maybe. Probably public use of things like that though, just because we'd need to share space-intensive things; lots of public transport.

[TheNoSoMan]

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With what dragonmega stated, there are many paths in which the future can take. But from what I see so far, the world in even a 1000 years would be mostly artificial.

Food resources will probably decrease to a point where wars will be staged over it and/or genocides will wipe out a significant portion of the world population so that the Earth may sustain us all. But there is a possibility where we will be able to create our own food that is not directly derived from organic beings. (That also means humans.) Science always has provided us possible ways to adapt effectively.

[Choofers]

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Honestly, why does it matter? Unless a procedure is created that stops aging (and is cheap enough for the masses), none of us will be here for the next 500 years, let alone 4000 years.

The link cry4eternity posted is pretty cool though.

[Cavernio]

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Honestly, why does it matter? Unless a procedure is created that stops aging (and is cheap enough for the masses), none of us will be here for the next 500 years, let alone 4000 years.

Honestly, why do you matter?

[Choofers]

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Honestly, why do you matter?

I don't d:

[TheNoSoMan]

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Oh god no. An elixir of life that is permanently effective once taken, can be genetically passed on as the dominant gene, and is available to anyone would exponentially increase the world population to unsustainable numbers in no time. It would take genocide to kill everyone off or a counter-elixir as far as I can think of ideas.

[TheSaxRunner05]

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You know that if you fit the entire Earth's population into one concentrated area, it would only cover the size of Alaska? Surely in 2000 years, that will be an issue, but I see your point as well.

Do this .... the rampant disease would wipe out over half the population and problem solved!

But on a more serious note, water usage is the biggest issue for a large population, however many experts studying demographic transition believe the world's population will stable out around 10 billion as the poorer nations industrialize. Birth rates are high where infant mortality rates are high as well. When the Imr lowers, the Br lowers with it.

Demographic Transition in a nutshell -

Stage one - High birth rates and Death rates (have lots of babies because only a few will survive to adulthood)

Stage two - High birth rates and low death rates: population booms

Stage three - Birthrates fall after the imr has dropped

Stage four - relative equilibrium, far lower br and imr

[Cavernio]

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It's not necessarily industrialization that makes people have fewer babies, it could be seen as the relative rich/poor that causes poorer people have more kids or richer people to not have as many. Furthermore, this is such a recent thing in humanity's civilization that I'm not sure we can say that even 500 years from now that same societal trend will still exist.

I think that right now a water crisis is a more immediate issue than food, overpopulation/disease or air to breath, but in the long run the earth has a ton of water, and it just gets recycled and reused. We have the appropriate tools to make sewage drinkable even now. It's a matter of infrastructure and shipping/moving. And right now there's probably millions of people who don't have safe water to drink in poorer countries; water usage isn't their problem.

[Renevatia]

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Looking at the history of human kind, I have to say I have some hope that the advancement of technology will reach the answer to problems faster than the problems start wiping us out.
We would most likely reach carrying capacity much less than 500 years if our living quarters doesn't get some kind of drastic region expansions, extraterrestrially.
Here is what I would assume would happen, though the time frames will most likely vary greatly, the order shouldn't.



100years
Complete conversion to solar powers, carrying capacity for the human race. Which means the capitalistic nations such as United States will be subjected to opposition as far as resource usage goes, giving rise to newer governments. I'd imagine some kind of compromised communistic government.

200years
Solve gravity. Publicized space travel. Declaring national ownerships of extraterrestrial areas.
Perfecting genetic manipulation, bringing dinos back to life and stuff.
Completion on mechanisms of immortality
***If aliens found, /human. If does not exist, proceed to next step.

500years
Stabilizing space establishments and planet states. Energy crisis.

1000years
Most areas of space explored, end of religion.
***If God does not exist, proceed to next step.
***If God exists then human beings should have wiped 1000 years ago, proceed to next step.
***If God exists and he lied, fight god.
a. If win, proceed to next step.
b. Lose, end game.

Utilization of energy from singularities, solve all future energy crisis, reversing entropy and other crazy stuff with it.
'real' experimentation of time travel
I AAA Vertex beta vrofl

2000years
Multiverse experimentation. Resource issues. Ability to tweak space-time. Create an other-dimension big bang, perfect inter-dimensional travel, pack and move.

4000years
I think this is a bit far to project. Any problems solved in this time will probably all just be problems we don't even know exists yet.
I wouldn't be surprised if we proceed this far, space will no longer be empty but a giant ass infrastructure, or at least filled with infrastructure that takes up a good deal of space.
I highly doubt over population will really ever be a problem. There are much more than enough food for everyone, even now.

[dragonmegaXX]

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Looking at the history of human kind, I have to say I have some hope that the advancement of technology will reach the answer to problems faster than the problems start wiping us out.
We would most likely reach carrying capacity much less than 500 years if our living quarters doesn't get some kind of drastic region expansions, extraterrestrially.
Here is what I would assume would happen, though the time frames will most likely vary greatly, the order shouldn't.



100years
Complete conversion to solar powers, carrying capacity for the human race. Which means the capitalistic nations such as United States will be subjected to opposition as far as resource usage goes, giving rise to newer governments. I'd imagine some kind of compromised communistic government.

200years
Solve gravity. Publicized space travel. Declaring national ownerships of extraterrestrial areas.
Perfecting genetic manipulation, bringing dinos back to life and stuff.
Completion on mechanisms of immortality
***If aliens found, /human. If does not exist, proceed to next step.

500years
Stabilizing space establishments and planet states. Energy crisis.

1000years
Most areas of space explored, end of religion.
***If God does not exist, proceed to next step.
***If God exists then human beings should have wiped 1000 years ago, proceed to next step.
***If God exists and he lied, fight god.
a. If win, proceed to next step.
b. Lose, end game.

Utilization of energy from singularities, solve all future energy crisis, reversing entropy and other crazy stuff with it.
'real' experimentation of time travel
I AAA Vertex beta vrofl

2000years
Multiverse experimentation. Resource issues. Ability to tweak space-time. Create an other-dimension big bang, perfect inter-dimensional travel, pack and move.

4000years
I think this is a bit far to project. Any problems solved in this time will probably all just be problems we don't even know exists yet.
I wouldn't be surprised if we proceed this far, space will no longer be empty but a giant ass infrastructure, or at least filled with infrastructure that takes up a good deal of space.
I highly doubt over population will really ever be a problem. There are much more than enough food for everyone, even now.

Orly?

Also I dont think we can "solve" gravity lol

[ScylaX]

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Damn I like how everyone are basically tripping on the future because they estimated the cultural and technology shift there was between today and 2000 years ago.
The progress isn't as regular as you'd think and estimating the future, even with broad approaches would require an accurate study ; it's just as complex as guessing what would have happened "if" you removed or added a fact from the past. And I personally wouldn't try myself to guess which future waits for us, because that's impossible, there are always some "surprise" events that occur while they had a really little probability to happen. And even the smallest change can induces HUGE variations. Just don't even bother thinking about it, it's just all phantasm, I hate thinkings that induces pre-supposed postulates as "considering that everything we progressively estimated is true, that there is no surprise possible" ; from that very moment, any assessment get irrelevant because it'd just match what the world would become if ; instead of matching a formal and accurate reasoning that actually tries to match the reality.

Even estimating the world condition in 200 years would require a really powerful thinking, the more you get in the future, the more misty and wayward it gets. The more the assessments you'll make will be far in the future, the more uncertain it'll be.
And I'm allowing myself to post that because we're in the CT section, I don't mind at all about the fantasies (or delusions, hah) of others, but I'm just getting rational there. I'm just giving a hint there : do you think anybody in the first century - even the wisest philosopher - was able to know, or guess what the whole civilization would have become 2000 years later ? Would have these people thought that the problems they had at that time would remain the same twenty centuries later ?

[Trogdor!!!!]

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Solve gravity.

Please define that. lol

Anyways, whenever I think of the far future, I can only think about the world ending up too over populated, us running out of the necessary resources to supply everyone, and everyone just dying off. Will this happen? Possibly if you look at population growth as of late. Then again, we're not stupid. I'm pretty sure we'll find someway to do something about it, but that's just what I think about if you ask me about the world in 500 years or so.

Edit: I didn't really read any of the other post to find everyone was pretty much talking about this already, but whatever, still throwing my two cents in. :3

[ScylaX]

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Anyways, whenever I think of the far future, I can only think about the world ending up too over populated, us running out of the necessary resources to supply everyone, and everyone just dying off. Will this happen? Possibly if you look at population growth as of late. Then again, we're not stupid. I'm pretty sure we'll find someway to do something about it, but that's just what I think about if you ask me about the world in 500 years or so.

I briefly studied demographics to know that, so I'm putting this here too : I don't know if people that keeps saying the earth will be super-overpopulated with +50 billions of humans know that or if they're just estimating the same way I was estimating before getting my own knowledge on the subject.
The world population is said to decrease once it'll reach something around 12 billions individuals of population if I don't get it wrong. We'll never get a supersized civilization of billions and billions human on the earth till the resources get so tricky to obtain that we would have to ruin the planet or explore space to get what we need.
It's a natural behavior, when a race is living beyond the resources available, it decreases on its own ; and also, I think somebody already talked about that Demographic transition model in the thread, which pretty much explains why we can't get that astronomical number of humans on the planet : in Europe, the birth rate/fertility rate of the non-immigrant population is dropping each year, the population is getting older and older, and basically, the main source of "young" workers come from the immigration.

[FFR4EVA_00]

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all you people saying there will be overcrowding in 2000 years when most projections see the population peaking in no less than 100

[foop101]

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I beleive that the population cap of earth is 4 billion and that people are dying... but most would think I'm wrong I guess. Using organic farming methods the earth can only feed 4 billion people, so that is my reasoning. With this "new technology" we have developed in agriculture we are stretching our limits.

2000 years? a bit optimistic.

If we are talking about the earth, I assume it will be a baron wasteland, virtually inhospitable from lack of resources, pollution, and maybe even lack of water.
For people, if we are still here, I assume we will be a space-faring species, travelling from planet to planet, sucking up their resources.

I don't really have an optimistic view of our world, I may just watch to much anime but I see our world similar to Akira (except no blue people) in around 100 years.