11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway

[cixOclock]

Re: 11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway

What a terrible arguement.

Just because someone may have lack of knowledge or even a lack of discernability doesn't make their statements any less elligable.

And no I'm not aiming this at Bball.

If people are happy with what some call ignorance, then let it be so.
If people are happy with thinking that God does not exist, so be it.

There is no point in trying to think that one person is worse off than the other, I strongly disagree with full out fanaticism. But I believe whole heartedly in a God.

And I'm happy with it.
Same with how gays are happy with their life style. If they're happy with it, so be it.

But don't ever think that one human is lower or dumber because of what they believe...


And I am done... I think...

[Izzy]

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Just because someone may have lack of knowledge or even a lack of discernability doesn't make their statements any less credible.

No, that is exactly what it means.

[bballa48]

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What a terrible arguement.

Did I say that?

I said I, you, and everyone else doesn't understand it--so in what way can you rule out that a higher power created it?

If you can tell me how everything, and I mean EVERYTHING in the world works based on scientific analysis in the absence of a God, then fine-- you win. But until you do, simply the uncertainty of life makes it seem entirely reasonable to believe in something bigger than ourselves.

Again, not trying to prove God exists-- I am not nearly intelligent nor willing to embark on that quest. I am simply arguing that no one has any right to attack religious people for there beliefs when it is pretty dang clear that religion has had a profound effect on many peoples' (including myself) lives and, like mentioned before, has done a LOT of good in this world.

Also, I never treated him like an idiot. I respect his beliefs, I just wish he would respect mine.

[MrGiggles]

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And I am done... I think...

It's really hard to stay out of this, right? These threads should be illegal, they're like heroin. "oh, I'll just try posting once, I'll do anything once" and then suddenly you're in some ****hole alley in New Jersey while sucking a guy's dick so you can borrow his smart phone to post about your religious beliefs on FFR. Or maybe that's just my experience.

[Reincarnate]

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alright bballa, hit me with any question you want

[XDark_PrinceX]

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you want proof bballa read the bible, the earth was created 6000 years ago? but yet quantum and carbon dating can prove to be over 65 billion years old and the universe itself billions of trillions, but no the bible said it was all created universe and all 6000 years ago. Everything in the bible points to proving its all false.

[Izzy]

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I have no problems believing in the possibility of a higher existence creating the universe, however that would be the full extent of that belief and it has absolutely nothing to do with modern religions. The idea of defaulting to the belief of a higher existence creating the universe just because mankind can't explain 100% of everything is illogical.

Another thing to note is that creationism is in the realm of non-testability and pretty much renders it irrelevant anyway.

[cixOclock]

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No, that is exactly what it means.

I find your lack of empathy disturbing... *force choke*

@@XDark_PrinceX:

It does not give a date, and even though the Bible says that a thousand years is as one day, its not meant to be taken as literal but more of an illustration as to how time is percieved by God.

Its like saying: "We'll get there in thirty minutes."
When the actual trip is actually 40 or an hour... (He's a bad driver don't ask.)

[~kitty~]

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Just because someone may have lack of knowledge or even a lack of discernability doesn't make their statements any less elligable.

And no I'm not aiming this at Bball.

If people are happy with what some call ignorance, then let it be so.
If people are happy with thinking that God does not exist, so be it.

There is no point in trying to think that one person is worse off than the other, I strongly disagree with full out fanaticism. But I believe whole heartedly in a God.

And I'm happy with it.
Same with how gays are happy with their life style. If they're happy with it, so be it.

But don't ever think that one human is lower or dumber because of what they believe...


And I am done... I think...

I feel like this is what I've been trying to say.

[Izzy]

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I find your lack of empathy disturbing... *force choke*

I don't get it. Are you trying to claim that someone can still be credible even with the lack of knowledge on a subject?

[bballa48]

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alright bballa, hit me with any question you want

To be honest, I know anything I say you will come up with a reason for it. I realize you are incredibly intelligent and will admit you will dominate me in this. No shame in admitting that, right?

I will say that your "evidence" for the initial creation of life is no more compelling to me than my evidence (intelligent design via a creator). You believe in the validity of modern testing instruments and techniques. What evidence do you have that these are correct? How do we know that all of the laws that guard the universe also held during the creation of Earth?

I would argue we don't know and that your evidence requires some faith as well.

Edit: You know what, screw all that. I am not going to get into a debate about which theory has more evidence.

Simply put, religion and the concept of "God" has brought a lot of joy and comfort to many peoples' lives. The fact that so many people believe in it is enough evidence, to me, that it obviously is "real enough" to have a positive effect on society. Whether or not the atheists here believe it exists or not is their personal choice but you have NO right to tell me or anyone else that we are ignorant for believing in something that we have FELT and truly believe to be true.

[cixOclock]

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Edit: You know what, screw all that. I am not going to get into a debate about which theory has more evidence.

Simply put, religion and the concept of "God" has brought a lot of joy and comfort to many peoples' lives. The fact that so many people believe in it is enough evidence, to me, that it obviously is "real enough" to have a positive effect on society. Whether or not the atheists here believe it exists or not is their personal choice but you have NO right to tell me or anyone else that we are ignorant for believing in something that we have FELT and truly believe to be true.

Much better choice...


And oh ya, for future reference for whoever made this thread since my attention span is only 5 minutes.
Don't post anything to do with religion in chit chat.
It never stays that way...

okaizankubai

[Reincarnate]

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To be honest, I know anything I say you will come up with a reason for it. I realize you are incredibly intelligent and will admit you will dominate me in this. No shame in admitting that, right?

I will say that your "evidence" for the initial creation of life is no more compelling to me than my evidence (intelligent design via a creator). You believe in the validity of modern testing instruments and techniques. What evidence do you have that these are correct? How do we know that all of the laws that guard the universe also held during the creation of Earth?

I would argue we don't know and that your evidence requires some faith as well.

Edit: You know what, screw all that. I am not going to get into a debate about which theory has more evidence.

Simply put, religion and the concept of "God" has brought a lot of joy and comfort to many peoples' lives. The fact that so many people believe in it is enough evidence, to me, that it obviously is "real enough" to have a positive effect on society. Whether or not the atheists here believe it exists or not is their personal choice but you have NO right to tell me or anyone else that we are ignorant for believing in something that we have FELT and truly believe to be true.

Of course anything you say "I'd come up with a reason for." That's what evidence IS -- and it doesn't require faith. Faith is belief with absence of evidence, by definition.

Your argument is like saying "Ungh, come on, Bill Clinton was never President. How can you prove that reality wasn't different a few years ago and that your memories are just false? Don't bother giving me any evidence showing that Bill Clinton was President because you can't prove that Bob Dole *wasn't* actually President."

There's no evidence suggesting that the laws were any different (although things get sketchy at t=0) before we were sentient. The current state of our universe can be explained through various processes and laws which govern rules which are still consistent to this very day. There are various ways we can date things:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dalrymple/how_old_earth.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH200.html

All of them use completely different approaches using completely different "clocks" and they're all consistent with each other. Under your logic, how do you know that what was true five minutes ago isn't true now?

Saying that "the current state of the universe just LOOKS as if it were billions of years old and governed by the same laws over time" is moving the goalposts. We go by evidence -- we don't look at the evidence and then posit something that is without evidence for the sake of upholding a different conclusion. There's already more than enough evidence to show that we weren't created by a designer.

I also advise you to check out http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html to see a massive list of Creationist claims and how/why they're debunked.

[Izzy]

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Just for the sake of clarifying my point on creationism being non-testable, I wasn't referring to the idea of life being created. I meant something such as a higher existence starting the trigger for the universe or something to that extent.

[-zeroSKILL-]

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Okay... As an agnostic-atheist myself, my deep seated hatred for religion began as a child when (from my perception) it was being force fed to me by family. I'm not going to listen to your beliefs and accept them as true without first seeing the evidence, and after explaining this even at age 6 they continued to try and convert me (and still do to a lesser extent today). This was the start of my hatred for religion.

My hatred for it has only evolved over time. I've studied it here and there and pondered over the huge logical fallacies of some of the scriptures and in the end exhausted myself in even trying to understand why people believe what I consider absolute rubbish. It's something I've given up completely on, but this also is not the reason for my absolute hatred of organized religion.

My hatred of religion was acquired when I began independently studying, most notably after I finished reading Michio Kaku's "Beyond Einstein: The Cosmic Quest For The Theory of the Universe" at age 12. After reading this book I began to look more closely at the world around me. I studied the way we had shaped our world, built everything we had from what nature had given us and marveled at the way we had progressed to where we were. When I think about the progress we've made as a society it always astounds me.

Science has put us where we are. Science is what continues to advance us.

When I think of the scientific advancements we could have made throughout history without religious oppression or religious involvement it actually gets me mad.

This kind of explains what I mean...


And we have the current issues that are widely known about in today's world that churches are fighting against such as stem cell research.

I don't want to make this post unnecessarily long, but I did want to clarify why I am extremely against religion. I have the agree with Reincarnate's comparison of religion to a toxin. It's poisoning all of your brains. Please stop trying to infect everyone else just because you now suffer from this poison.