FFR poker league -dead-

[Ksl33zy24]

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No-one is playing the first $ game :c

wish I could

[Without A Contraceptive]

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I play 1/2 at the casino here every once in awhile and I can tell you right now it's a lot softer than 0.25/0.5 online. Hell, it's softer than 0.1/0.25.

It's pretty easy to spot the fish and avoid the sharks, and people are pretty spewy.

Only problem is the rake can be pretty brutal, depending on where you're at.

word i bet... ive played 2/4 on a cruise and it was a joke. only time ive seen a casino poker room was this past christmas, i was flying out of reno. people were reloading for $50 and $100 at $2/5, there wasnt a single $5 chip on the $1/1 table, it was a ****ing joke. if i was 21 i would have sat and Crushed it. the few 2/5 hands i watched were terrible, people limp calling $25 raises and check folding when they had $60 left...

i play 1/1, 1/2, 1/3, and 2/5 live regularly and making money is definitely easier, for me at least, there than in any online game. i play a pretty spewey game myself tho so i can get in trouble if i start to get tilted off...

oesd busted up my set after i lead out a pot sized bet two nights ago and i was superSteamed. next hand i raised to $5 ($1/1 6 handed) with j4o, flop AJ4 and i doubled through AT or something. next hand i was still tilted i was losing around 2, i raise utg to $4 with JQo flop J82 all clubs, i have the Q of clubs... i bet $7, du in MP calls, turn Jdiamonds, i bet $24, call, river Qs i snap ship it for my last $37 and dude calls he had 8s full OOps. that was the start of a pretty sick chip run

pokers fun

[DotKritic]

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Just now saw this...signed up just in case.

[Reach]

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oesd busted up my set after i lead out a pot sized bet two nights ago and i was superSteamed. next hand i raised to $5 ($1/1 6 handed) with j4o, flop AJ4 and i doubled through AT or something. next hand i was still tilted i was losing around 2, i raise utg to $4 with JQo flop J82 all clubs, i have the Q of clubs... i bet $7, du in MP calls, turn Jdiamonds, i bet $24, call, river Qs i snap ship it for my last $37 and dude calls he had 8s full OOps. that was the start of a pretty sick chip run

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JQ hand was pretty standard man, sucks. Don't know why buddy let so many off though. Should raise flop and shove turn with 3 clubs.

I've seen some epic bad people at the casino. I had a pretty weird live hand once. Was up to $400 on the 1/2 table and really wanted to leave. I hate sitting that deep around aggro donks, but I picked up JJ I think under the gun so I raised another one up and got some callers. Flop comes like, T98 rainbow, I bet it and get one caller on the button. Turn comes a 2, I bet he calls again. River, a 9. Not sure if I should c/c here, but I bet for value and he just snap calls.

So I'm like nice he has a T and proudly turn over my hand waiting for him to muck his T, and buddy shows TT. I was so shocked I actually got up and stumbled around and then decided to leave. Before I left, he was like, man I thought for sure you had the 99 I thought I had the soul read on you.

Kinda wanted to thank him for saving me money. He was spewing the whole night and I definitely call his raise there.

[minhtam2448]

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on for the next few hours, if anybody wants to do a few games with me.

[Reincarnate]

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And in 9 handed play 92.37/9=10.26% 100-10.26=89.74% chance that if all 9 people stay in the hand at least one person will have better than a pair.

This evidence suggests that when we play a hand, we do not want a lot of people to stay to the river unless we expect to get a hand that beats everyone else. That's why your position at the table is crucial.

Maybe I misunderstand the rules (I still haven't gotten around to learning them, honestly), but if 0.923746422 is the probability that I get a High Card or One Pair, then the probability of having at least one person who has something better out of a group of nine people is the same as 1 - the probability that nobody has anything better out of a group of nine = 1 - probability that nine people have one-pair at best = 1 - (0.923746422^9) = 0.510249461 = 51%

Correct me if I am misunderstanding pl0x.

[awein999]

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Maybe I misunderstand the rules (I still haven't gotten around to learning them, honestly), but if 0.923746422 is the probability that I get a High Card or One Pair, then the probability of having at least one person who has something better out of a group of nine people is the same as 1 - the probability that nobody has anything better out of a group of nine = 1 - probability that nine people have one-pair at best = 1 - (0.923746422^9) = 0.510249461 = 51%

Correct me if I am misunderstanding pl0x.

I see how your logic and your calculation makes sense but it simply does not work that way in hold'em poker. With 9 people in the hand there is a huge chance that someone has something better than just a pair by the river. (two pair, flush, straight) most likely. And I am negating the fact that the board can pair itself because everyone has what the board has.

real example 9 handed:
player 1: AQ clubs
2: 58 heart spade
3: Q7 hearts
4: 84 diamond club
5: 23 club spade
6: 3J clubs
7: A2 spade heart
8: Q6 spade diamond
9: J5 heart spade

house cards:
332 8 4
In this randomly generated example player 5 flops a full house and player 4 ended with a made two pair.

The odds of at least one person having better than a pair is an 89.74% chance by the river. My intuition agrees with this statistic. The way to know for sure is to go through enough example hands.


It's almost never true that everyone stays to the river so this is an extreme event. Honestly you need to get a feel for how people play. Thinking, planing, calculating, formulating can only take you so far without practicing.

edit: Actually my calculation method was wrong I just realized. Quite dumb of me. I'm relying on pure intuition now

[TC_Halogen]

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Not sure if I'm going to be in this; sitting on a back-up laptop because my power cable for the current one I'm using decided to screw up and my laptop is at 0% charge, so I can't turn it on. I -do- have pokerstars though, so maybe I can make it. We'll see.

[Reincarnate]

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I see how your logic and your calculation makes sense but it simply does not work that way in hold'em poker. With 9 people in the hand there is a huge chance that someone has something better than just a pair by the river. (two pair, flush, straight) most likely. And I am negating the fact that the board can pair itself because everyone has what the board has.

real example 9 handed:
player 1: AQ clubs
2: 58 heart spade
3: Q7 hearts
4: 84 diamond club
5: 23 club spade
6: 3J clubs
7: A2 spade heart
8: Q6 spade diamond
9: J5 heart spade

house cards:
332 8 4
In this randomly generated example player 5 flops a full house and player 4 ended with a made two pair.

The odds of at least one person having better than a pair is an 89.74% chance by the river. My intuition agrees with this statistic. The way to know for sure is to go through enough example hands.


It's almost never true that everyone stays to the river so this is an extreme event. Honestly you need to get a feel for how people play. Thinking, planing, calculating, formulating can only take you so far without practicing.

edit: Actually my calculation method was wrong I just realized. Quite dumb of me. I'm relying on pure intuition now

The probability changes when you add more cards in addition to the flop. I was talking purely in terms of any given 5 card hand-extraction. The more cards you draw on top of the bare minimum (5 cards), the greater your chances are of being able to get something out of it.

By my calculations, in a 7 card system you actually have a greater chance of hitting a pair than you would a high card alone, lol (this makes sense though).

Combined probabilities in a 7 card system: About 61.23%, so in a 9-hand game 1-(.6123)^9 = 0.9879 = 99% chance that someone's going to have better than one pair with 7 cards out (with 9 people)

God I am going to feel like shit if I am getting all of this wrong. I STILL NEED TO LEARN HTF TO PLAY AHHHH. Will need to play around with the links Reach sent.

[awein999]

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I'll mess around with some play money stuff with you if you want. We can chat about it at the same time.

[lumphoboextreme]

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yeah theres the run bad i was looking for. just got destroyed in one sitting even though my money was in good 80% of the time.

[DotKritic]

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Won't let me join.

[TC_Halogen]

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Woo, man -- that was one freakin' intense heads-up match. Sundemon and I were pretty much at a tug-of-war the entire time. He'd take the lead, then I'd take it, then he'd take it, then I'd take it...that was mad fun, haha.

[DotKritic]

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Just now able to get my internet connection back up.

[nois-or-e]

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There is still the last one for the night, a $5.50 hold 'em in 90mins approx.

If people wanted to play another play money game once this one is over, fell free to ask, only takes a min to make