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  • chidori!
    FFR Player
    • Jun 2007
    • 1603

    #76
    Re: Keine's Class on the Official [Touhou Discussion] Thread

    your midday o.o
    also what do you rate MoF out of 40. i might get it i might not.
    Last edited by chidori!; 02-10-2009, 04:11 PM.

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    • ddr_f4n
      FFR Player
      • Sep 2005
      • 3807

      #77
      Re: Keine's Class on the Official [Touhou Discussion] Thread

      Originally posted by chidori!
      your midday o.o
      also what do you rate MoF out of 40. i might get it i might not.
      Mountain of Faith compared to other games...I'd say 7-8/10, although I say get it anyways, it's still fun.

      The BG graphics are great. Much improved compared to the previous games. Only downside is some of the artwork for the characters (zombie Reimu lol).

      Gameplay is still the same danmaku, but no more SC bombing, as all shooting types have the exact same bomb. Also, now your power is rated from 0.05 (I believe) to 5.00. Each bomb costs 1.00 of your power. This is where bomb-spam comes in. You can literally bomb as much as you want, provided that the enemies drop power-ups.

      Music is still as awesome like always. I can't really complain much here.

      Biggest complaint about this game is the two major bugs that ZUN never fixed. The MarisaB bug, and the stage 4 replay de-sync. The MarisaB bug is a bug where her 3.00-3.95 power is ridiculously overpowered un-focused, so much that you can take down a boss health bar before the bullets could even reach you. The stage 4 replay de-sync for some reason de-syncs the player movement and the level itself, so in the level all you see is your player dieing in places you never died in, mainly because the player moved either too early or too late then the original replay.

      Other than that, I think it's still work obtaining. Especially now since MoF's english patch is out.
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      • Karimono
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        • Jan 2009
        • 18

        #78
        Re: Keine's Class on the Official [Touhou Discussion] Thread

        I made a long post but it got screwed up.

        There's no reason not to get any Touhou game, is there? Provided that laziness isn't a reason. Money can't be an issue, really.

        EDIT: Poor Flandre.
        Last edited by Karimono; 02-11-2009, 01:46 PM.

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        • Zybanthia
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          • Dec 2008
          • 809

          #79
          Re: Keine's Class on the Official [Touhou Discussion] Thread

          Originally posted by Karimono
          There's no reason not to get any Touhou game except Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, is there?
          This is what you meant, right?

          Kidding, but half kidding, really. If somebody's new to the series, that game will probably turn them off from the series. I know that if I'd played that as my first Touhou game, I wouldn't have put in as many hours as I've put in today. I do think Touhou is fun, but... that game is just horrible, haha.

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          • Karimono
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            • Jan 2009
            • 18

            #80
            Re: Keine's Class on the Official [Touhou Discussion] Thread

            Touhou Sangetsusei 2 is out.
            Strange and Bright Nature Deity 2.
            Image: http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/i...465392&s=books

            And it's already sold out on amazon jp. I'm getting it tomorrow at Messe Sanoh~ (with Megurine Luka)

            Kazakami Yuuka as depicted by one of the best Touhou artists: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/nm6109533
            (No sarcasm. He really is a good artist. This video in particular reminds me of FLCL. He purposefully draws them that way despite his amazing drawing skills to give it a unique taste.)
            His mylist: http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/6343370

            Something cool for the Nitori fans: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm5979758
            (There's a history to that dance, but I'm too lazy to get into it. I wrote it on my previous post. The chromatic effect is cool.)

            Your general nicovideo account: (I got premium on my own name, so I can't share mine.)
            einm@flashflashrevolution.com
            MidnightSun19

            Question: Why did Kochiya Sanae get 2nd place in the popularity contest? I don't see her anywhere online or irl that makes her seem popular, except for the Kannaduki OP remake on nicovideo.

            Originally posted by Zybanthia
            This is what you meant, right?

            Kidding, but half kidding, really. If somebody's new to the series, that game will probably turn them off from the series. I know that if I'd played that as my first Touhou game, I wouldn't have put in as many hours as I've put in today. I do think Touhou is fun, but... that game is just horrible, haha.
            In America, probably. In Japan, this became the start of Touhou's ultimate boom and popularity, because we play for the characters and story as much as the gaming aspect. You can't really say it sucks considering the fact that this was the start of the Touhou boom. I don't think the game is half-bad either.
            Last edited by Karimono; 02-18-2009, 05:02 PM.

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            • Zybanthia
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              • Dec 2008
              • 809

              #81
              Re: Keine's Class on the Official [Touhou Discussion] Thread

              Originally posted by Karimono
              In America, probably. In Japan, this became the start of Touhou's ultimate boom and popularity, because we play for the characters and story as much as the gaming aspect. You can't really say it sucks considering the fact that this was the start of the Touhou boom. I don't think the game is half-bad either.
              I can actually say it sucks. No offense. I mean, no hitbox is a joke. I have to go through most of this game with a "good idea" of when I'm going to get hit. Name one other game in which you're not sure when you're going to get hit? Unless you want to spend countless hours memorizing exactly what movements you're allowed to make...

              The music quality was fairly bad too. I understand he was working with some sort of primitive stuff, and the melodies are good, but the synthesizer is not nice to listen to. And as far as the characters go... there are about 7 instances of dialogue that last for about 30 seconds each. That's about... 3 or 4 minutes of dialogue. That's not even enough dialogue to create substantial characterization, haha. I didn't feel as if I knew the characters at all.

              I realize this is what made Touhou popular, but it's really hard to play. And don't get me wrong... I like the other games. You can of course still get good at this game, it just requires more work on the player's part than it should.

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              • ddr_f4n
                FFR Player
                • Sep 2005
                • 3807

                #82
                Re: Keine's Class on the Official [Touhou Discussion] Thread

                Originally posted by Karimono
                Question: Why did Kochiya Sanae get 2nd place in the popularity contest? I don't see her anywhere online or irl that makes her seem popular, except for the Kannaduki OP remake on nicovideo.
                Actually she made it 4th.

                Also, she's popular for many things. First off, she's the second shrine maiden. Also, she's another human who fell in from the outside world. In doujinshi, she's highly abused in many ways, both embarrassingly and in NSFW ways, almost as much as Alice. She's highly attractive (well the fan-art is), and she's also very innocent-looking. Many people would love to meet her as soon as they enter Gensokyo.

                Also, Sanae's a good girl *pat pat*.
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                • Karimono
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                  • Jan 2009
                  • 18

                  #83
                  Re: Keine's Class on the Official [Touhou Discussion] Thread

                  Originally posted by Zybanthia
                  I realize this is what made Touhou popular, but it's really hard to play. And don't get me wrong... I like the other games. You can of course still get good at this game, it just requires more work on the player's part than it should.
                  Ok, except for the "than it should", because there is no "should be some way in particular" in the first place.

                  Originally posted by ddr_f4n
                  Actually she made it 4th.
                  I'm blind.

                  Originally posted by ddr_f4n
                  Also, she's popular for many things. First off, she's the second shrine maiden. Also, she's another human who fell in from the outside world. In doujinshi, she's highly abused in many ways, both embarrassingly and in NSFW ways, almost as much as Alice. She's highly attractive (well the fan-art is), and she's also very innocent-looking. Many people would love to meet her as soon as they enter Gensokyo.
                  I'm blind.

                  I don't not like her. Her origin and relation to the Suwa lake is very fascinating, as well as what could be imagined of her ties to the real world (although Yuyuko's high school days and its relation to why Yuyuko and Yakumo are friends are a lot more interesting...). It's just very hard to find a position for her, as well as the inhabitants of the second shrine, in a story connected to the other portions of a separate Touhou plotline because they're not part of the death cycle, nor are they a unique (nonoriental) addition to Gensoukyou. The only purpose they might serve is as a benchmark between the tengu region and the chuuu path to where the shinigami are. Now that I think about it, where do the dead first originate? I know they pass the chuuu path behind the Youkai Mountain to where the death gods wait to pass the Sanzu river to Higan, where the Enma decide whether you go the Tenkai, Jigoku, or Meikai (or Makai, although I'm not sure what happened to Makai as a position in Gensoukyou). Do the dead originate at the top of the mountain where the tengu live? Maybe there's some kind of summoning circle there. Or do they arrive from all over the place to find themselves suddenly going through the Chuuu path? That seems very unorganized. Does that mean that tengu and kappa allow certain ghosts to pass through their territory? Considering that Meikai ghosts can easily arrive at Youkai Mountain, I don't think that's really possible. I like thinking about these kinds of things.

                  I doubt we could meet her even if we got into Gensoukyou no matter how hard we tried.

                  Originally posted by ddr_f4n
                  Also, Sanae's a good girl *pat pat*.
                  I see: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm5086463

                  but I'm still blind.

                  (The electric flute series is still very active, and very improved http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/5221166)

                  Oh, and this is what I meant by the Kannaduki OP, which is pretty good. http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/nm5919692

                  Sangetsusei 2 was interesting, especially how ZUN used the tsuchinoko and the valley with the hexagonal pillars found at the foot of old volcanoes. I don't think the original idea of the tsuchinoko had the ability to grow roots rapidly like that. Does the valley come out as a setting in any other official storyline?

                  One thing that became clear from reading Sangetsusei 2 is that Genjii is still alive, and that Reimu has a pond, which Genjii inhabits, behind the shrine. Also, even if the setting is very oriental, ZUN doesn't forget to place the Orthodox celestial calendar in juxtaposition to the Oriental one, making Lucifer fight Sol to determine the power of the youkai in Gensoukyou for the year. I found that very interesting. Also again, I guess the internals of Hakurei Jinja isn't that complicated, assuming that the statue of the god takes up most of the central space. She only has room for a chuubou, ima, and genkan according to what I saw when Cirno and the trio did their carp ball scheme.

                  Lastly, do any of you comment on nicovideos? I've seen English comments a lot more recently. Just wondering if any of them were from you.

                  I want Sangetsusei 0. I believe I'm missing something quite important. That map that you gave me earlier isn't accurate anymore (nor was it that accurate in the first place...)

                  Another question: Tenkai is supposed to be above Meikai in position, but in SWR, most characters climb the Youkai Mountain. Although most of the setting sequences in SWR is random, it has a somewhat correlated correlation with how Gensoukyou looks according to Akyu. Is Tenkai expansive enough to reach the Youkai Mountain? Does the Tenkai itself have any barrier like the Meikai? Or is the Tenkai region just anywhere with land above a certain altitude? There also needs to be a place where the Ryuuguu live in Tenkai.
                  Last edited by Karimono; 02-19-2009, 06:52 AM.

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                  • Zybanthia
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                    • Dec 2008
                    • 809

                    #84
                    Re: Keine's Class on the Official [Touhou Discussion] Thread

                    Originally posted by Karimono
                    Ok, except for the "than it should", because there is no "should be some way in particular" in the first place.
                    Hmmmm... I'd argue that if FFR didn't have speed mods, it'd be a lot harder to get good at it "than it should"... games have things they need in them. Especially games of a particular genre / series; of a particular mold. But I suppose I'll leave the conversation there.

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                    • Karimono
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                      • Jan 2009
                      • 18

                      #85
                      Re: Keine's Class on the Official [Touhou Discussion] Thread

                      Originally posted by Zybanthia
                      Hmmmm... I'd argue that if FFR didn't have speed mods, it'd be a lot harder to get good at it "than it should"... games have things they need in them. Especially games of a particular genre / series; of a particular mold.
                      Only under the idea that the game was created for the purpose of fitting said mold/genre/series. As a person who always reads ZUN's comments on the back of his books, his ideology over the creations he makes is very respectable. I think it would be better if everyone respected his "purpose" for creating what he makes. (Back of Akyu's guide in particular.) The player doesn't decide what should or shouldn't be something that a creator makes. The creator does. What you're doing is nothing more than forcibly placing Touhou under a generalized mob of other subjects with similar aspects. Each creation is an independent individual. It is also the creator's choice whether to follow the wishes of said players. ZUN chooses not to. FFR chooses to.

                      As for the definition of "should", that is something for a separate discussion.

                      You can reply to some of my Touhou stuff, considering that this is a Touhou thread and most of my previous post is about Touhou =__=.

                      More questions: Sanzu River is one of the two rivers that exists in Gensoukyou. Another one springs at the top of the Tengu region, flows down into or past the Suwa lake, down the Kappa region, down into the pond of the Toad God (according to Akyu), into the Lake of Mist or Fog (where Koumakan is) further down into the Valley of Hexagons(not the actual name, not sure what the actual name is yet), (probably even further into the real world). What's this river called?

                      I think these kinds of questions make it more Keine's Class-ish.

                      It's definitely worth translating, and playing.
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                      Last edited by Karimono; 02-22-2009, 01:46 AM.

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                      • ddr_f4n
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                        • Sep 2005
                        • 3807

                        #86
                        Re: Keine's Class on the Official [Touhou Discussion] Thread

                        Well two things happened...

                        1) New IOSYS video released:
                        大江山ジャイアントスイング(高画質・高音質版)H264 [ゲーム] イオシス(IOSYS)の東方アレンジCD第11弾「東方超都魔転」からPV第1弾『大江山ジャイアントスイ...




                        GIANT SWING! GIANT SWING!

                        And the best for last...

                        2) ****ING TOUHOU 12 ANNOUNCED! DEMO WILL BE RELEASED AT REITAISAI! PLAYABLE ****ING SANAE! HOLY ****ING **** YES!

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                        • chidori!
                          FFR Player
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 1603

                          #87
                          Re: Keine's Class on the Official [Touhou Discussion] Thread

                          wut omg already wut teh ell!
                          EDIT: wait so theres another album too?
                          Last edited by chidori!; 02-25-2009, 08:35 PM.

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                          • Karimono
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                            • Jan 2009
                            • 18

                            #88
                            Re: Keine's Class on the Official [Touhou Discussion] Thread

                            March 8th. I'll be there.

                            Reimu looks like Reimu. Yay.

                            something for the night.
                            ふぁいなるてすといんとうほう [ゲーム] らすと てすと………NMM(無料版)上限10分10MB使い切ったら俺の勝ち。▲最終テスト。やりたい放題...


                            What are the chances that this whole ZUNFO thing will connect to the Lunarians?
                            Last edited by Karimono; 02-28-2009, 07:22 AM.

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                            • Karimono
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                              • Jan 2009
                              • 18

                              #89
                              Re: Keine's Class on the Official [Touhou Discussion] Thread

                              2nd PV of the new IOSYS CD.

                              究極焼肉レストラン!お燐の地獄亭!(高画質・高音質版)H264 [ゲーム] イオシス(IOSYS)の東方アレンジCD第11弾「東方超都魔転」からPV第2弾『究極焼肉レストラン!お...


                              I love the atmosphere of Japan's steak restaurants. Although it's not really steak, it's pan/net-fried thinly sliced meat.

                              Why do you only introduce IOSYS PVs anyway?
                              Last edited by Karimono; 03-5-2009, 12:51 PM.

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                              • ddr_f4n
                                FFR Player
                                • Sep 2005
                                • 3807

                                #90
                                Re: Keine's Class on the Official [Touhou Discussion] Thread

                                Originally posted by Karimono
                                Why do you only introduce IOSYS PVs anyway?
                                I forgot to post that 2 days ago >.<

                                Anyways, there are dozens of Touhou PVs out there, and since IOSYS seems to be the most popular atm, I'm posting those.

                                Of course, you can find more Touhou videos here:


                                I might as well post this as well:

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