Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

[Djr Rap dancer]

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

Since peoples change in mentalities, I mean think to upgrade ( object,technologies,ect... just to see what the real life is. And now that scientific can prove a lot of things, did you see that the world dont going well.
I mean: examples : car.
Car help us to go any were that we what to go ( always to see something els )
But this positive things bring 1 problems. (pollution)
Earth is degrading days after days just by humans.
Animal are so stupid that in a sense , are very intelligent.
Take the examples of dore : telling that we exist caus we are at moment present.
Does it's mean that ants dont exist in a sense.
No one can prove it.
So its not because you cant : see, touch, ear ...ect that they dont exist.
All exist : same for dream
But in a other world , like the 6th sense.
So why not spirit? can they have a 6e sense?
No one know really.

[devonin]

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

Many parts of the New Testament are said to have been written by some of Jesus's disciples. What makes this "hearsay" rather than "eyewitness"?

I was actually thinking of posting pretty much this last night.

The reason there is such a delay between the events and their being written down is that the apostles believed when Christ died, that his promised second coming would be like "Any time now" and certainly within their own lifetimes. As a result, nobody felt it relevant to record anything, because they only had a couple years to go.

Interestingly, the period between the death of Christ and the starting of the formal recordings of doctrine is a period in which the church was very egalitarian, and several of the important women to the church held positions of pretty high significance.

But once 30, 40 years go by, and everyone who was actually -there- when Jesus was saying and doing things start to realise "You know...maybe the second coming -isn't- right around the corner...we need to record this stuff for our descendants." that they took the time to record their accounts.

[Afrobean]

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

what if this statement was only made to make us believe we are real.

It's not a statement that can be made up. It is a philosophical argument that makes logical sense. If you're conscious enough to question reality, then your mind (that is, the intangible part) is "real". If your self didn't exist, you wouldn't be consciously aware to question whether it existed.

The idea says nothing about the "reality" of other things, or even the "realness" of the world around us, but only of the intangible existence of your self's mind.

[kmay]

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

nothing can prove consciousness, like i said we could be someones dream which means we wouldn't exist in their world and they wouldn't exist in our world. Then the dreams that they have are so in depth that we could have full separate lives. With other things going on around us to try and convince us that we are in fact real when we are not.

[Afrobean]

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

nothing can prove consciousness, like i said we could be someones dream which means we wouldn't exist in their world and they wouldn't exist in our world. Then the dreams that they have are so in depth that we could have full separate lives. With other things going on around us to try and convince us that we are in fact real when we are not.

You just don't understand.

If you're thinking, your MIND is real. It doesn't matter if REALITY IS DEFINED AS BEING A DREAM, because YOUR COGNITIVE AWARENESS MEANS THAT YOUR MIND IS REAL.

Not your BRAIN. The ABSTRACT MIND.

If your thoughts were not real, YOU WOULD NOT BE THINKING THEM.

[devonin]

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

You have no way to know that kmay is any more real than I am or any other claimed consciousness to which you don't have introspective access. *grin*

[Djr Rap dancer]

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

You just don't understand.

If you're thinking, your MIND is real. It doesn't matter if REALITY IS DEFINED AS BEING A DREAM, because YOUR COGNITIVE AWARENESS MEANS THAT YOUR MIND IS REAL.

Not your BRAIN. The ABSTRACT MIND.

If your thoughts were not real, YOU WOULD NOT BE THINKING THEM.

Can you prove that its the principal for a life?
Do you think cat are bored?
They don't even talk.
They don't even think like a human.
What is the life for them?
Consciousness is not a life, is a way to survive.

[devonin]

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

Your comment has nothing to do with what Afrobean said.

He is referring to the human question of personal consciousness, and the basic definition of cogito ergo sum. If the cat were capable of comprehending a maxim like "I think, therefore I am" then for the cat, it's own consciousness would be proven to it.

[Djr Rap dancer]

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

Yes they do, but its always to survive.
Not to live take power or whatever.
They don't give a ****.
Thats why religion gating away...

[devonin]

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

Even when I can decode what words you're trying to say, it doesn't really make sense to the discussion at hand.

[Grandiagod]

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

I was actually thinking of posting pretty much this last night.

I'm glad you didn't. I would have been angry. Sorry but a source confirming itself isn't actually proof.

The Bible is true because the Bible says it is true. Hurr

[devonin]

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

Your criticism was that all the accounts were hearsay, and the point was made that in fact, the sources of that "hearsay" were actually eyewitnesses.

Nobody is saying that the "Proof" from the bible is from the bible. We are saying that the sources you discount that directly refer to Jesus existing on the grounds that they "weren't contemporary" were contemporary, or at least, written by his contemporaries. So what exactly is the problem?

[Djr Rap dancer]

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

Even when I can decode what words you're trying to say, it doesn't really make sense to the discussion at hand.

Do you think talk like you talk will give you some king of supreme power one day.
I just mean, if religions coming lest impotent those day, its because to much stupid peoples like you try to change the world by stupid comments.
I hope you understand.
I'm not a pro in English, but I know a lot of things.
FFR is a games.
Not a place to talk about something that you can't talk.
What are you trying to do by withing all those comments?
I hope you got a good reasons rolf
Must be to get the power of a true master of chat

[Grandiagod]

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

I never said that was the only issue i had with them. If you want me to restate my criteria for historical sources for the existence of jesus here you go.

1. Third party not directly related to Christian literature
2. Agrees with the rest of recorded history
3. Written by people who has known Jesus, or known of Jesus during his time as not just a great prophet or son of god.

those three would convince me if put together, the fourth option being stand alone

4. Historical records kept by government

[devonin]

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

What are you trying to do by withing all those comments?
I hope you got a good reasons rolf
Must be to get the power of a true master of chat

I'm a forum moderator, and one that started off as the moderator of just this forum. What I am trying to do with these comments is make sure the discussion and debate that takes place in this forum stays on topic, and stays kept up to the standards for the forum.

Communication is important, to the point where proper spelling and grammar are mandatory for the entire forum, and moreso here.

If you can't communicate your ideas well, we can't discuss or address them properly.