Vista + FFR = Bad?

[Mitsuho]

Re: Vista + FFR = Bad?

What's cheaper? Upgrade your hardware or streamline your operating system? There are more efficient operating systems for flash+browser with the same or better security. Boot into something free and uses less overhead for browsing. Hell, you can even open windows in a ring 2 hypervisor rawwrite passthrough if you had a critical non-D3D application.

[EgomaniaCircus]

Re: Vista + FFR = Bad?

As a computer technician, I would like to take the time to point out, that Vista has absolutely no problems running Flash player, which is what FFR uses.
The problems start occurring because the main computer manufacturers only put the minimum requirements of computer parts into their machines to run Vista. Yeah, they'll work, but they won't work well.

For those that have Vista, I'd like you to run a little test.
Go to your Control Panel, then to "System and Maintenance", and then under the System area, click on the "Check your computer's base performance score" (This can also be accessed by going to the Welcome Center, and click Show More Details up top, and then clicking the blue test "Windows Experience Index")

Run the test and post the results.
The best is 5.9 in each category, with the lowest sub-set score being the overall rating.
I'm running Vista Ultimate x64, with AMD Quad-core 9600 Phenom CPU, 8Gb OCZ DDR2 1066Mhz RAM, on MSI K9A2 Platinum Mobo, and dual MSI NVidia 8800 GTS 512Mb DDR3 video cards in SLI, with custom cooling to keep it around room temps, all powered by a massive Corsair 850W PSU.
I score 5.9 in everything, and have no issues running FFR, or any other game I play.

If you were playing Crysis or CoD4, and you had lag, would you think it was Vista/XP or your Video Card or maybe RAM first?

The simple answer is that although Vista may not work well for some of you, that's more the fault of the computer not having enough power behind it to run Vista well, than Vista not being able to cope.

The major issue with vista is framerate is severely cut down (think 15 fps) which results in arrows coming about 0.5 seconds earlier than they should.

So, you're wrong about there being absolutely no problems with vista and flash. Seriously, try it yourself.

Now, flash 10 helps the problem but doesn't completely remove it.

Also, if you were playing 8 bit mario on your wii and it started lagging ridiculously, would you think it were the technical limitations of the wii, or something just plain ****ed up instead.

30 FPS arrow game =/= Crysis.

[-KIDTHONG-]

Re: Vista + FFR = Bad?

lol vista lags PERIOD

[Gundam-Dude]

Re: Vista + FFR = Bad?

I've been playing on Vista for roughly 2 years now. It took a little while to get used to the timing since I used an XP computer before to play FFR.

But TBH it's not really that bad once you're completely used to the timing. It's just that you have a harder time AAAing files because of said delay. A Vista user wouldn't really notice a significant change switching back to XP but an XP user switching over to Vista would definitely notice a change.

I could personally switch between the two OS and not see a slight change in PA on FFR. MA on StepMania would probably be different though the XP computer I have access to doesn't have StepMania installed.

Also, there's keyboard driver issues with Vista that delays the keyboard response times on some standard PS/2 keyboards and most definitely USB keyboards. I personally have both and I always get keyboard misses on my USB keyboard while my PS/2 one is perfectly fine.

It is possible to fix this keyboard problem in Vista but you risk losing your hard drive information, data etc. so I wouldn't really try it unless you have everything backed up somewhere.

[retching oesophagus]

Re: Vista + FFR = Bad?

so has anyone tried ffr on linux? is it any good?

It is possible to fix this keyboard problem in Vista but you risk losing your hard drive information, data etc. so I wouldn't really try it unless you have everything backed up somewhere.

im pretty sure that's high android's method, which only sorts out pcs upgraded to vista. no help for me. if it's not and is a different solution then i would like to know.

[Gundam-Dude]

Re: Vista + FFR = Bad?

im pretty sure that's high android's method, which only sorts out pcs upgraded to vista. no help for me. if it's not and is a different solution then i would like to know.

Yeah, that would be it. I completely forgot that his method only works on computers that upgraded to Vista from XP. But yeah, that method won't really help us at all, lol.

[Mitsuho]

Re: Vista + FFR = Bad?

so has anyone tried ffr on linux? is it any good?

I haven't had any problems but you really want to pair the distro you use to your hardware/usage if you're going to go over permanently. Read my earlier post if you just want to trial a live CD for just browsing/flash games. Otherwise I can make suggestions but I'd need to know more.

I didn't know the delay effected all Vista the old fix was to change PollStatusIterations to 1 in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\i8042prt\Parameters

Has changing the delay to begin repeating helped any?

[stevenw9]

Re: Vista + FFR = Bad?

XP 32-Bit: Light-weight, Fast, Reliable
XP 64-Bit: Turtle speed

Vista 32-Bit: Broken & Busted like that grandmother across the street
Vista 64-Bit: Faster then XP 64-bit, XP-32 Bit and Vista-32 bit if you have a dual-core system and atleast 2 GB of Ram. This is what I use, and I get better FPS rates on -everything-. Age of Conan, Oblivion, World of Warcraft, FFR, etc.

[-zeroSKILL-]

Re: Vista + FFR = Bad?

Ummm, I'm running Vista Home Premium 64-bit, on a quadcore, with 6GB of RAM and I still have lag issues =.=

Vista = Fail.

I'm going to ISOHunt to get a pirated copy of XP now.

kthxbai

[rauchster]

Re: Vista + FFR = Bad?

The major issue with vista is framerate is severely cut down (think 15 fps) which results in arrows coming about 0.5 seconds earlier than they should.

So, you're wrong about there being absolutely no problems with vista and flash. Seriously, try it yourself.

Now, flash 10 helps the problem but doesn't completely remove it.

Also, if you were playing 8 bit mario on your wii and it started lagging ridiculously, would you think it were the technical limitations of the wii, or something just plain ****ed up instead.

30 FPS arrow game =/= Crysis.

I have tried it myself. I've run fraps in combo with Vista/FFR, and I get 90FPS. So, not sure where you're getting that information about max framerates.

True, Crysis doesn't equal FFR, but it IS the same general concept. If youor game isn't playing right, obviously something needs to be fixed. If other systems with Vista can handle FFR fine (like mine and several others), then that would seem to indicate that it's not really Vista that is taking the blame.

Yes, booting into a free Linux version is a great cheap way to bypass the problem, but that's just it, you're bypassing, not fixing it.

The most comprehensive solutions are rarely cheap, and even more rarely free. 'Tis a life lesson to be learned.

So while I enjoy my Vista features, like animated backgrounds, DirectX10, and all the games I feel like with crazy high framerate, you guys can shift the misdirected blame onto an OS that is already a scapegoat.

Just remember this. XP caught massive amounts of flak when it first came out, but then people realized that the change from 2000/9x to XP wasn't bad. And, later on stiil, they loved it. XP became the dominant OS. When Vista came out, it WAS horrible. Note the past tense. SP1 has come out for it, and fixed a large majority of the OS flaws that previously existed. My Vista system probably runs far better and smoother than 99% of the XP systems out there.

So reject the wave of the future. After all, it's obvious that non-Windows/Mac OS are better, but unsupported. And Windows will seemingly always beat out Mac in terms of quantity. So, it's the only conclusion, that one day (2012 when XP support stops) Vista will be the premiere OS. And you'll all be stuck with it. :P

[jimerax]

Re: Vista + FFR = Bad?

just Vista = Bad for me.

[spiidx117]

Re: Vista + FFR = Bad?

I have tried it myself. I've run fraps in combo with Vista/FFR, and I get 90FPS. So, not sure where you're getting that information about max framerates.

True, Crysis doesn't equal FFR, but it IS the same general concept. If youor game isn't playing right, obviously something needs to be fixed. If other systems with Vista can handle FFR fine (like mine and several others), then that would seem to indicate that it's not really Vista that is taking the blame.

Yes, booting into a free Linux version is a great cheap way to bypass the problem, but that's just it, you're bypassing, not fixing it.

The most comprehensive solutions are rarely cheap, and even more rarely free. 'Tis a life lesson to be learned.

So while I enjoy my Vista features, like animated backgrounds, DirectX10, and all the games I feel like with crazy high framerate, you guys can shift the misdirected blame onto an OS that is already a scapegoat.

Just remember this. XP caught massive amounts of flak when it first came out, but then people realized that the change from 2000/9x to XP wasn't bad. And, later on stiil, they loved it. XP became the dominant OS. When Vista came out, it WAS horrible. Note the past tense. SP1 has come out for it, and fixed a large majority of the OS flaws that previously existed. My Vista system probably runs far better and smoother than 99% of the XP systems out there.

So reject the wave of the future. After all, it's obvious that non-Windows/Mac OS are better, but unsupported. And Windows will seemingly always beat out Mac in terms of quantity. So, it's the only conclusion, that one day (2012 when XP support stops) Vista will be the premiere OS. And you'll all be stuck with it. :P

you think your sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cool just cuz you have a better pc

[Shazbot_Design]

Re: Vista + FFR = Bad?

I'm not laggin and im rollin vista... I also do have a quadcore..

[iceefudgesickle]

Re: Vista + FFR = Bad?

I used to play on a Vista, and it was horrible. I thought I just sucked because it kept on giving me Goods, but it didn't make any sense. You can't see the lag it's so minute, but you will very often get Goods you should have gotten Perfects on. It was hard to AAA even Free Space on my Vista...

In terms of just FCing stuff there won't be a difference because the lag is not big enough to make that kind of difference. But as you get better, if you're playing on Vista, you'll start to wonder... why does my PA suck? Your answer is Vista.

Your math is a little off. The proper answer is Vista+FFR=REALLY bad.

[who_cares973]

Re: Vista + FFR = Bad?

I've been playing on Vista for roughly 2 years now. It took a little while to get used to the timing since I used an XP computer before to play FFR.

But TBH it's not really that bad once you're completely used to the timing. It's just that you have a harder time AAAing files because of said delay. A Vista user wouldn't really notice a significant change switching back to XP but an XP user switching over to Vista would definitely notice a change.

this right here is complete bull**** for me

i played on XP this past weekend and was ass raped by goods that came out of nowhere

but thats just because ive gotten used to vista lag and compensated but hitting earlier/later tna i would have to on an xp which completely ****ed me over lol

4 goods on excite bike on xp

AAA every time on vista