The Dark Knight

[Schrammbledeggs]

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I don't think Two-Face is really dead...that would make zero sense considering he's alive and criminally active in Batman Forever...plus I'm 90% sure they're gonna make another Batman movie with Two-Face in it.











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[7yL3r]

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I don't think Two-Face is really dead...that would make zero sense considering he's alive and criminally active in Batman Forever...plus I'm 90% sure they're gonna make another Batman movie with Two-Face in it.
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You'll have to remember though that batman forever and the dark night are seperate (so called) universes its' a comic thing, where you have the same characters but different scenarios ... thats' what's happening here on these batmans ... so the dark knight and batman begins are completely seperate universe from batman forever. and batman (tim burton) and batman returns... etc..etc..

[7yL3r]

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I hereby revoke your Batman Commentator Membership card.

seriously?? SERIOUSLY?? forserious? I can't be the only person around here who thinks batman's voice is just a bit cheezy it sounds like he's gasping for air, you can hear (and see, look at his mouth) how Bale sounds like's is just lisping everytime he uses that funny low voice.. seriously?? anyone??

[scorpio1690]

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gotham city is loosely based off of some city in new york adurrr

reed up on ur nerdsc0pez d00d

On a map, Gotham city is in New Jersey.

[Verruckter]

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Holy ****ing **** Heath Ledger blew me the hell away. His performance was incredible. The movie was great overall, they kept the cheesy speeches to a minimum (unlike spiderman lol) and the action was great.

A+

[robertsona]

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Just saw it. Pretty good.
7 or 8/10.

[adlp]

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im not gonna lie, i was half expecting harvey turning into Robin to be his sidekick or something like that

where the hell is robin

[Verruckter]

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im not gonna lie, i was half expecting harvey turning into Robin to be his sidekick or something like that

where the hell is robin

Working as a waiter in a gay bar.

[andy-o24]

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but i guess that's why this is america your entitled to your own opinions... even if they are wrong

Explain to me how an opinion can be wrong. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=opinion Definition two states that an opinion is, "a personal view, attitude, or appraisal."

PERSONAL is the keyword here. When something is a personal view that's just one persons thoughts on the matter. Ones views don't always have to be in congruency with anothers. Therefore, an opinion can't necessarily be wrong, it's just not identical with yours.

-o24

[MalReynolds]

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im not gonna lie, i was half expecting harvey turning into Robin to be his sidekick or something like that

where the hell is robin

Bale and Nolan both think Robin is silly. Bale said he'd quit if the put Robin in the movies, Nolan said that Robin is "In a crib out there somewhere."

No Robin.

[Lightknight924]

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Joker, by Heath Ledger, was a rise from the comic book joker and the original view of joker entirely.

[Lightknight924]

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Spoiler: I realized that the guy in the beginning with the sack over his face in the parking lot near the van with the cut out eyes, was scarecrow.

[WhisperOfOblivion]

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Spoilers ahead. Stop reading if you don't want to be spoiled ;P

Odds are, Harvey is dead -- otherwise Batman's sacrifice here would be worthless. The whole idea here is that they can't "let the Joker win." As cool as Two-Face was, they are likely going to keep him dead if there is ever a third movie. A lot of his motivation derived from the events of the movie pertaining to Rachel, and it just doesn't seem to make sense to keep that going for another entire sequel. Not all dead characters come back to life, despite what you may think -- I think Harvey's dead, dead, dead. They wrapped up his story nicely, and I think that's indeed the end of it.

I find it really interesting that, even though Joker says he never plans or schemes, his brilliance at predicting how people will act makes him a mastermind at scheming. Joker's strength lies in his ability to cause chaos in his favor, while screwing over everyone else's plans at the same time, and I love that they showed this side to him. I felt that Nicholson's Joker from the first Batman movie didn't quite make this obvious. Joker is supposed to be a crazed psychopath known for his cunning, lack of empathy, and overall creepy/disturbing demeanor, and I absolutely love the way Ledger pulled this off. I'm extremely upset that we won't be receiving any further performances from Heath... I honestly don't know how you can replace such a well-crafted character.

The scene where Batman is "interrogating" the Joker gave me hard chills, because you could really feel the brunt of the Joker's wrath. Even at Batman relentlessly beats the **** out of him, he just laughs it off, because, as he says, "[Batman] has absolutely nothing to threaten him with," while the lives of two others are in danger of being blown to bits in minutes. That scene, I think, is very classic Joker, and call me crazy, but I was like tearing/smiling like mad during that scene from its sheer awesomeness, haha. It was absolutely perfect. You could really feel Batman getting pissed the hell off at this crazy dude, who's able to orchestrate madness, even when locked up.

I also liked the downfall of Harvey Dent. For someone so dedicated to justice and locking evil up behind bars, it's amazing to see that he was capable of madness. The scene where he's flipping his coin/threatening to kill the schizophrenic guy was pretty intense.

Gosh there are just too many things about this movie I could go on and on about. I just thought so many things were done so perfectly. The character development, the action, the music, the stunts, the plot, the comic relief... it was all so great. Gordon's speech at the end was also very well done.

This movie deserves a 10/10... easily the best in the Batman series so far. It's going to be extremely hard to top if they ever make a sequel.

As for villains, I doubt we're going to see people like Mr. Freeze or Clayface. A trend among the villains so far is that they carry a certain element of realism. R.A.G. was believable, as was Scarecrow (simply using biological/chemical warfare, in a sense), and Joker is believable as an extremely intelligent/crazed criminal. The least realistic so far is Two-Face, but only because of the physical injuries involved, but it's still a relatively minor point. All of the villains so far still "fall within the reasonable realm of reality," but guys like Clayface and Mr. Freeze really would not, and I think it'd cheapen a lot of what makes Nolan's Batman movies so great. Besides, I don't think I could handle another movie where Mr. Freeze cracks ice jokes/puns every other sentence.

If there were indeed a sequel, it'd probably involve villains like The Riddler, Deadshot, Bane, etc. The problem is that the more well-known villains of Batman are few in number -- outside of those, the villains become a bit lamer and lesser known. But regardless of whatever Nolan does, if he does indeed make a sequel, I am confident he'll do it correctly.

[Afrombean]

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On the topic of future villains:

I read somewhere that Nolan doesn't want to do villains that have already been done, which was probably his motivation for going for Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul.

But the most noteworthy villains have all been done by now, except maybe Clayface. And many of the ones already done share a thread of realism, or could translate moderately well. Catwoman and The Riddler come foremost to my mind. They could even do Penguin well if the changes are moderate like the way they were for Ra's al Ghul (i.e. in this version, he is not 600+ years old thanks to lazarus pits).

Person above mentioned Bane, but I don't think he is interesting enough. Noteworthy enough, yes, but not interesting (this is why he plays third banana in his appearance in Batman Forever). Deadshot is a possibility, but I would say that he's not as well known, and if he were to make a translation into this universe, he would probably just become a simple assassin, rather than a glorified marksman.

So I'm gonna go ahead now and call that it'll be Catwomen and/or The Riddler, paired with mob elements. For instance, they could have Tony Zucco appear in the next film, then pay off in the one after that by introducing Dick Grayson. Because I gotta be honest, Robin is one of those characters so closely tied with Batman that you can't tell the full story of Batman without him. It'd be like doing it without the Joker or without Commissioner Gordon. It just wouldn't be right.

[MalReynolds]

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If you want the full Robin arc that encompasses his relationship, get rid of Grayson and skip right to Jason Todd, who is murdered by the Joker in a very dark story thread. Otherwise, Robin is just a stupid character.