Who owns the moon?

[devonin]

Re: Who owns the moon?

Why should the proportions here be equal either? That seems a little ridiculous to me.

[rzr]

Re: Who owns the moon?

Because of the same reason blacks and minorities are now equal. It's fair. People will fight too much if it's not. That's really simple to grasp seeing that it's been happening for like... ever.

[JKPolk]

Re: Who owns the moon?

Because of the same reason blacks and minorities are now equal. It's fair. People will fight too much if it's not. That's really simple to grasp seeing that it's been happening for like... ever.

Offtopic but they're equal now because of interracial breeding and the divisions becoming far less clear causing people to be able to complain less.

[devonin]

Re: Who owns the moon?

And more to the point, "different races being treated equally in the law" has absolutely no similarity whatsoever to the topic at hand, being equally -sized- shares of space somehow being parcelled out.

There aren't equal numbers of whites and blacks and other racial groups, and unless you're advocating that we simply kill off people in the larger groups until there's actually equal numbers of each race, the point isn't really germane to the discussion.

The land territory of the earth isn't split equally among nations, let alone equally by population. Canada has a population density of 8.3 people per square mile. China has a population density of 363 people per square mile.

Should Canada be ceding a huge portion of our land to China in the name of equality? That seems to be what you're suggesting should be the case.

[rzr]

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Race has absolutely no factor in this thread The only reason anyone is any color is because when Pangea broke apart the humans on different continents needed to adjust the pigment in their skin to suit the sunlight taken in in their environments.

No, devonin, I said nothing about population. What I AM saying is that if (hypothetically) each country got x square miles, that's it. They all get x. What're they going to do, say "oh, Russia got an extra couple inches! I'm bombing them!"? No, they're not. And if they are then either the leader doesn't deserve to lead or the country doesn't deserve to be called a country.

[devonin]

Re: Who owns the moon?

You said there were problems keeping "The proportions of the earth equal" and when I asked you why it made any sense at all to insist that they be equal, you said "Because of the same reason blacks and minorities are now equal. It's fair. People will fight too much if it's not."

This suggests that what you want to see happening is a completely equal divide of everything among everybody. You also mentioned race explicitly. If it wasn't your intention to call for a perfectly equal split of the land of the earth among its various peoples, I'm not sure how what you said makes sense in any other context.

If race has absolutely no factor in the thread, why did you bring race into the thread? It makes no sense either to simply say "Each country gets X amount of space" unless you want to be setting aside probably 80% of space for nations who will almost certainly never develop the infrastructure to actually use it for anything.

I could see the US, Russia, China, Japan, UK, France, Germany, India and maybe 5 or 10 others having both the means and the desire to do anything at all with space.

[rzr]

Re: Who owns the moon?

It was an analogy. I used it to say "ok, so whites ruled blacks right? Yes. And when we gave them equality it was a more peaceful society right? Yes. So if each country got equality it would be more peaceful right? Yes."

[Rad3n]

Re: Who owns the moon?

This thread is about ownership of the moon, as such the only countries to reasonably be talking about are ones with a large-scale space program: United States, Russia, China etc.

Nothing says you can't mention Australia, it was just that like, your post in each of three different threads was all about australia so I mentioned it.

Actually I take offense to that. Australia is one of the worlds newest countries... In fact it's the most developed new country. As little as 50 years ago the indigeonous people of weren't recognised under it's constitution. Being a colony of the UK, and yet still having such problems (relating to exploration and invasion). It is a perfect candidate for discussion in this thread.

[devonin]

Re: Who owns the moon?

I'm sorry you take offense to that, but that doesn't make it a false statement. The only countries with a space program capable of sending people into space are China, the United States, and Russia. The only countries with a space program capable of sending unmanned objects into space are the European Space Agency (in which seventeen European countries participate to varying degrees), India, Israel, the Ukraine and Japan. There are four or five other countries that own objects that are in space but don't have the capability to launch them.

Australia appears on none of those lists.

The closest thing Australia has is the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation, and as near as I can tell from looking into them, they have basically no programs dealing with space at all, and even if they do, it is as one project in about a dozen major scientific fields.

[rzr]

Re: Who owns the moon?

Actually I take offense to that. Australia is one of the worlds newest countries... In fact it's the most developed new country. As little as 50 years ago the indigeonous people of weren't recognised under it's constitution. Being a colony of the UK, and yet still having such problems (relating to exploration and invasion). It is a perfect candidate for discussion in this thread.

I don't see how... perhaps another thread? But I don't see how Australia could be up for debate in anyway...

[Rad3n]

Re: Who owns the moon?

Earlier on in this thread. People were talking about the problems which may arise should (America) claim ownership of the moon (or any part of the universe for that matter). It was suggested that (based on history) the result of a decloration of ownership on the moon may result in war (but would certainly create some kind of political termoil (if not now then in the future)). Australia is one of the most recent countries to be "laid claim to" and look what happened. Another place that could be put up for debate in this topic is Antarctica. The land rights to that are confusing enough.

Q).Why should Australia be included in this debate?
A).Sure; it's not like Australia can (or wants to) blast into space. but when a major country laid claim to Australia the result was bad. America is a major country, why shouldn't it repeat the mistakes of brittain? Based on the original arguement that History repeats itself: Australia is a viable country to discuss in this thread.

[devonin]

Re: Who owns the moon?

Antarctica is easy: Nobody can lay claim to it, everyone can set up whatever they like that doesn't interfere with what other people set up.

Britain building a penal colony on Australia is completely not the same thing as claiming parts of space. For one, space isn't already claimed by people who are there.

[Rad3n]

Re: Who owns the moon?

Aboriginals were considered local animals so..... there were no inteligent life forms there according to brittain. Should there be aliens they might be overlooked. this goes back to the prior part of the discussion.

I get that we have mis-matched views on this topic. We can end it here. As the thread has moved on there is no need for me to bring up Australia at this time.

[devonin]

Re: Who owns the moon?

Aboriginals were considered local animals so..... there were no inteligent life forms there according to brittain

That's a highly inaccurate view of the British opinion of aboriginal Australians, though one very in keeping with post-colonial soul-wrenching guilt that the British do so well.

[Rad3n]

Re: Who owns the moon?

First; eeep I spelt Britain wrong

Secondly; They weren't considered "animals" but they weren't considered to be "human either. I'm not talking about individual oppinion either, just the law as It was.