Vitality Of Religion As Part Of a Culture

[XCraigeX]

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I suppose it can be seen as delirious from an outsider's perspective - however - when you think about it, people who truly beleive in God or a divine being would truly think for sure that they exist - therefore to them they are not delirious.

[devonin]

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But even to people looking in from outside, if my belief is calm, rational, and predicated on valid logic and reasoning, even if that belief also entails a leap of faith, faith is perfectly able to be rational.

[XCraigeX]

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Very valid point.

However, who are you to determine that your beleif is calm, rational and predicted on valid logic and reasoning? Who are we to determine what valid logic and reasoning really is? How can we see the ambigious ploys mankind has manifested? Perhaps what we think is logical may yet be irrational in the eyes of "the divine being"?

[devonin]

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Okay, then how can you ever believe anything about anything in all of the world?

[chunky_cheese]

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Okay, then how can you ever believe anything about anything in all of the world?

Through positive influence and reason, from a very young age most people can determine if an act will have a positive or negative consequence to some degree, though this perception is not full developed. For example, we know that killing is "ba-daong" (Kung Pow: Enter the Fist) and that peace is, in most cases, easier to handle than conflict and suffering.

I repeat myself; it is this very desire, the desire to develop values and personal beliefs, that not only leads us to find leadership within a higher power, but to realize ourselves as a group thus forming culture?

[Zythus]

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Through positive influence and reason, from a very young age most people can determine if an actual will have a positive or negative consequence to some degree, though this perception is not full developed. For example, we know that killing is "ba-daong" (Kung Pow: Enter the Fist) and that peace is, in most cases, easier to handle than conflict and suffering.

Would you agree that it is this very desire, the desire to develop values and personal beliefs, that not only leads us to find leadership within a higher power, but to realize ourselves, as a group, thus forming culture?

I don't think its a cultural image involved in here. I believe that this desire is just another form of.....hmm...a form of ego. Egotistically, in the sense that one group believes in one divinty while another has yet another divinity. this intolerance of individual groups believe that their god is the one and only while others are false...a kind of ego is formed here.

[devonin]

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Would you agree that it is this very desire, the desire to develop values and personal beliefs, that not only leads us to find leadership within a higher power, but to realize ourselves as a group thus forming culture?

Sure I do, I never said anything otherwise. My comment was directed solely at Craige, who seemed like he was jumping on the "OMG Subjectivity" bandwagon, which while it makes your own beliefs impossible to be disproven, also forces you to admit the inability to prove anything, and thus inability to plead a very useful case for -why- you believe anything.

[XCraigeX]

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Sure I do, I never said anything otherwise. My comment was directed solely at Craige, who seemed like he was jumping on the "OMG Subjectivity" bandwagon, which while it makes your own beliefs impossible to be disproven, also forces you to admit the inability to prove anything, and thus inability to plead a very useful case for -why- you believe anything.

Who knows? Lol. I was a bit weird that night - sorry :P. I was in one of my "OMG SUBJECTIVITY" bandwagon moments