The Wii is Here.

[Relambrien]

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Afrobean probably feels similar to me about the Wii. Many of the games are just fantastic...or rather, could be, if the control system wasn't so cumbersome. That's the only real fault of the system for me: the fact that in an attempt for realism, completely off-the-wall and counterintuitive motion sensing is used. Shaking for a spin attack? I just don't see how that's logical; moving it in a circle would've at least made more sense.

And besides that, I just don't like it when how well you do in a game is determined by how much control you have over your controller, rather than how well you think and respond to situations. That's the same reason I don't particularly like the DS.

I originally thought the Wii's motion sensing would be used to supplement gameplay, not supplant it, which is why I bought one. I guarantee I won't be buying nearly as many Wii games as I've bought for other systems, because otherwise good games can be ruined by a control scheme I dislike. There will be some, however, that actually use the motion sensing in a way that feels comfortable to me, so those are the ones I'll get.

Nothing against those who like the motion sensing, but in my opinion, not attempting realism altogether is much better than attempting it and only getting a small fraction.

Personally, I'll probably be able to deal with the controls in Galaxy, as I plan to get it due to the stellar reviews it's been getting. I'd still use a GameCube controller if I could though...that's one of the best-designed controllers I've ever seen, second only to Sony's DualShock 2.

[Afrobean]

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You weren't looking hard enough. There is a bob-omb on that planet.

Yeah I guess I didn't want to spend all my time there running blindly around the tiny orbs, with chomps going wild. I took a quick look around and saw only that star blast thing so I assumed that's what I had to do. And well, up to that point, the stages guided me very well; if there was a path to take, I knew I needed to take that path to get to the star at the end.

The trash planet is a bonus stage for a bonus star. It's designed to be difficult. Took me about 10 tries to get the timing right on the bombs. The trick is to chain bombs together so that they all explode at once.

Good thing that guy explains how to "chain bombs" and doesn't just say "hey blow up my garbage lol"-- OH WAIT

well afrobean you are the only one complaining about gimmick controls because actually they are very solid and easy to use.... and really why did you buy a wii if you didn't like motion controls???

Easy to use if you were the type of person that would lift the NES controller to try to get Mario to jump in SMB. I never did that. Sorry, but moving my hands through space does not translate to 3rd person character control in my mind.

And I got the Wii because I was excited about the motion control when applied reasonably, like in WarioWare. I figured that games that didn't lend themselves well to accelerometer use would simply not use them during normal gameplay, but alas, I was mistaken. Also, I never had a Gamecube, so I was itching to get myself a means to play SSBM. Also, I was excited at the idea of Virtual Console, but admittedly, they still haven't released most of the games I was hoping they would. And I hadn't even originally planned on getting Galaxy, but since I had been warmed up to the idea in the days before its release, and when I stopped by Best Buy on a whim, they happened to have a ton in stock, so I just got it. If I knew now what I know now (that the only attack at Mario's disposal requires amorous shaking), I would have saved my money, or at the very least, picked up something that would make more effective use of the accelerometer (since apparently Nintendo has to use it in a game even if it doesn't fit the situation well).

well about the 64 having more than one simple attack.....well i think the spin attack is a good replacement to everything else, seriously the only thing i used in 64 was jumping and punching.

I shouldn't have to suffer through gimped controls because the average player is a dunderhead who refuses to make full use of his character's moveset. It wouldn't have been hard for them to take the functions of the C button and put it on another button (+ and - sure seem to have the exact same function...), and put star shooting on the C button, then put the punch moveset from SM64 on the B trigger.

in other words if this games drives you mad because is frustrating to you, i can't imagine how you play other hard games (god of war for example)

I don't play those types of games generally, but if I did, I'm sure I would fair at least somewhat well, assuming they don't have gimmicky controls.

[zidart]

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don't worry relambrien, don't belive what this guy says....as many of the reviews already stated, mario galaxy doesn't abuse the wii remote, it uses it in many different ways that doesn't get you out of the actual gameplay. this game is a good combination of motions and gameplay, (like zelda, metroid and zack and wiki are)

well afrobean i just say that this game is divided in two parts, 60 star for casual gamers that want an easy games and another 60 stars that are hard to get, for hardcore gamers. if you don't like this game because you suck at it in the parts where it uses motions, well then you are just looking at this game from a superficial point, because the gameplay is (as every other mario game) just awesome, besides if the control is responsive then what is the problem??? i don't care if i shake to spin as long as i spin when i shake

[jakobsk8]

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I cant beleive this thread is still going. send this one to the trash bin!

[SethSquall]

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I'm doing this stage where I'm on this 3 ball thing and this star guy is like "save me" but there is no way to do it

Hahahahah dude, I know you don't give up at every challenge and yea you might just not like the level. But there is a way to do it, it's not hard to work out either, the learning curve was like 5 minutes.

so I go over to this other planet and this weird guy is like "blow up trash for some reason ps im only giving you 30 seconds". And of course, the bob-ombs take like 7 seconds to blow up. And on top of this, I can't freaking aim them, because of the bull**** controls that make me have to ****ing shake the controller to throw (yeah because shaking makes more sense than pushing a button best ****ing throwing simulator ever SHHHHHHHAKE).

You're meant to chain them, also, you have to aim to have the bomb land on the yellow dots on the floor, do it that way and you have like 10 seconds to spare. Shaking isn't hard, yea neither is pressing a button I agree but it's not bothersome. Also, shaking the controller has never thrown my aim off. I aim then shake. To me it is as simple as it sounds. I don't see how shaking the remote influences your other arm? You may not like that either and that's cool but I wouldn't say that it's something that spoils or gets in the way of the game.

Then, when I go to long jump, Mario decides it'll be a better idea to do a backflip even though I'm holding the control stick down. So I think "you know what? this stage is ****ing gay I'm going to quit it before I get super pissed off

Lmao. I've had this happen once or twice I must say but I admit I know I wasn't doing it right.

i have a few other stages i could be doing right now and i dont have to kill myself trying to do this over and over and over and over and everytime you fail you have to wait for that ****** to say whatever the **** he says and there is no way to skip it and there is no way to retry from inside the challenge so you have to wait until the time runs out if you **** up really bad early on" so I press the button which normally brings up the option of returning to the space station or whatever the **** that is. Nothing happens. I mash both buttons that do it. Nothing happens. So I figure "ok this is ****ed up i guess I'll just have to kill myself to go back" so I jump off the edge (because obviously, this large hemisphere has less mass than the small disks that the stage starts with). Then, instead of going back to the main area, it ****ing put my back on the 3 ball thing with the chomps. So I go "what the **** why in the hell would killing myself put my back in the middle of the stage" and I think "ok not a big deal i'll just press the + button and go back to the main area" but the **** didn't work AGAIN.

You don't have to kill yourself dude, but saying that, every time I've pressed plus I've had the option to go back to the observatory.

So, naturally, I snapped and punched the **** out of the remote, then ripped the **** out of the cables on the wii. Perfectly reasonable response definitely.

Hahahaha. Dude wow. This may be why some buttons don't seem to work for you?

Really, I was starting to enjoy it despite the stupid ass "shake the remote" controls, but no more. And like, there are some things where shaking is kind of a good idea and doesn't bother me at all. The star things and the things you spin to the top of, for example. But ****ing attacking and throwing is ****ing stupid. You don't ****ing throw something by shaking and you don't ****ing spin around in circles by shaking either. And the gimmicky minigame stage things weren't even terrible either, even though they were obviously just made the way they were to make use of the remote.

I loved some of the mini game galaxy's. Surfing was fun and the sweet factory was an awesome platformer lever and you got to love that music.

DEFINITELY nowhere near best platformer ever now FOR SURE. Gimmicky controls killed it for me. I don't know how you guys can stand it. I don't want to ****ing flick my wrist like that for no freaking reason.

Well we have to. We know there's no other way. And we do it for a reason. If we didn't we would spin? Does that even makes sense? Made sense in my head anyway.

Seriously, the weird gravity stuff has already been growing on me even though it makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. I even was enjoying the star bits shooting and collecting. But that ****ing shaking ****. No.

You really can't get over the shake can you? Dude, it takes like half hour tops to get used to.

ps why the **** is no one else bothered by mario's simplest attack being a ****ing tornado spin****. Why is no one else bothered by the lack of the simple functions of the B button from SM64?

Because the game works fine without it. I would like to have seen the B button attack but it's not there. Whatever.

[Afrobean]

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Hahahahah dude, I know you don't give up at every challenge and yea you might just not like the level. But there is a way to do it, it's not hard to work out either, the learning curve was like 5 minutes.

Yeah, I just overlooked the bob-omb that was apparently there all along because I saw the star thing and figured that since it was there that doing that was what I needed to do to advance. Up to that point, that's how it had been: if there was a path, that was the path I needed to take. You know, they act like the stages are free form like SM64, but they're really not. You can't get other stars unless you CHOOSE to get those stars. You can't start the first stage and get the final star of that stage first. You have to go through the list.

You're meant to chain them, also, you have to aim to have the bomb land on the yellow dots on the floor, do it that way and you have like 10 seconds to spare. Shaking isn't hard, yea neither is pressing a button I agree but it's not bothersome. Also, shaking the controller has never thrown my aim off. I aim then shake. To me it is as simple as it sounds. I don't see how shaking the remote influences your other arm? You may not like that either and that's cool but I wouldn't say that it's something that spoils or gets in the way of the game.

Yeah well no one told me that (it would have been nice if the guy that tells you to do it would have gave this little hint...) and I kept ****ing up and getting more and more pissed off over it that I didn't even notice that I could do that. And dude, those yellow spots are not things to aim the bombs at (even if it is helpful to do so); they're those spots that if you shoot a star at them, they turn into coins for health.

And shaking influences my aim because it pisses me off and thus I am more likely to mess up and get more pissed off. As I get more and more mad, my movements and button presses become sloppy and erratic.

You don't have to kill yourself dude, but saying that, every time I've pressed plus I've had the option to go back to the observatory.

yeah well what would you do if you wanted to keep playing the game, wanted to quit the current stage, and your + and - buttons were simply not doing anything.

Hahahaha. Dude wow. This may be why some buttons don't seem to work for you?

Nope... I've beat up my other controllers a little bit, but this was the first time I've ever done anything like this with Wii. Simply put, none of my other games have had this knack for giving me enjoyment, then turning around and seemingly ripping my all of the flesh off my body with a searing hot butter knife.

I loved some of the mini game galaxy's. Surfing was fun and the sweet factory was an awesome platformer lever and you got to love that music.

Those games are the only place that the accelerometers should have been used. They were decent distractions and clearly detached from the gameplay of the rest of the game. Now, to be honest, I wasn't that great at them, except the candy one 8)

Well we have to. We know there's no other way. And we do it for a reason. If we didn't we would spin? Does that even makes sense? Made sense in my head anyway.

You don't HAVE to. You can abstain from play like I am. It is good.

You really can't get over the shake can you? Dude, it takes like half hour tops to get used to.

yeah well I got used to it within like 20 seconds, but it still sucks.

Because the game works fine without it. I would like to have seen the B button attack but it's not there. Whatever.

WORKS FINE WITHOUT IT? ****ing wrist flicks are not as responsive and precise as button presses. The only reason they would do it like that is simply BECAUSE THEY CAN.

And really, I am all for motion control when it makes sense. It's probably a good thing I never got far in Twilight Princess (I barely got the first sword before giving it up), because I'd probably be so annoyed at it that I'd go out and buy the gamecube version just so I don't have to deal with it. In fact, you know what. They should make a Gamecube version of Galaxy

ps who is this Relambrien and why is he so reasonable

[zidart]

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emm ok this just proves that you have angry issues and that you look at a game just for the outside and not for the inside.....

now to move on, have any of you played resident evil umbrella chronicles yet? i heard is really awesome

[Aleste]

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i work at gamestop and i know each of the games you listed.. but i was hoping there might be something else that is perhaps worth picking up. i'm interested in Umbrella Chronicles and Medal of Honor: Heroes 2. Anyone pick either of those up yet? i see zidart already asked about the RE game :] Also, for GH3 have they been able to work out if they'll be doing song updates or anything on the wii? i know it was planned and in an interview on gamestop they had said they were trying to work with nintendo to do something similar to the planned updates for 360 and ps3... but i haven't heard anything else about it. Anyone know?

EDIT: a nintendo rep came into my store the other day and showed us the Wii Zapper. i definitely want to get it, even more so than previously. i mean, for 25 bucks it's not bad for a peripheral AND a game. It actually feels really sturdy and the rep said that when he played with it it actually helped to steady his aim so it might be nice to play through umbrella chronicles with it. i realized that he's the NINTENDO REP so of course he'd want to hype the products, but holding it myself i'd tend to believe him :]

[SethSquall]

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they're those spots that if you shoot a star at them, they turn into coins for health.

Yes I know that afrobean, however they're placed there in that way for a reason dude.

And shaking influences my aim because it pisses me off and thus I am more likely to mess up and get more pissed off. As I get more and more mad, my movements and button presses become sloppy and erratic.

You don't have to shake it that violently dude. Serious, whether you're mad at the fact you can't do it or what

yeah well what would you do if you wanted to keep playing the game, wanted to quit the current stage, and your + and - buttons were simply not doing anything.

Id say that's not the game.

Nope... I've beat up my other controllers a little bit, but this was the first time I've ever done anything like this with Wii. Simply put, none of my other games have had this knack for giving me enjoyment, then turning around and seemingly ripping my all of the flesh off my body with a searing hot butter knife.

This game had the younger audience in mind. I think your over reacting just a little.

You don't HAVE to. You can abstain from play like I am. It is good.

Oh right, lmao. Whatever. I think that's a pretty stupid response to be fair. Although, if it stops you throwing a hissy fit then whatever.

yeah well I got used to it within like 20 seconds, but it still sucks.

Well obviously you haven't if it throws your aiming off. Took me no time at all to do a shake attack and understand the concept. It took me a little while to get the hang of it and use it well, that's what I mean. You're obviously not there yet.

WORKS FINE WITHOUT IT? ****ing wrist flicks are not as responsive and precise as button presses. The only reason they would do it like that is simply BECAUSE THEY CAN.

They can and because it works dude. I found it responsive.It's not a chase of "Because they can so they do it for the hell of it". They do it yes because they can and because works. Works Well.

And really, I am all for motion control when it makes sense. It's probably a good thing I never got far in Twilight Princess (I barely got the first sword before giving it up), because I'd probably be so annoyed at it that I'd go out and buy the gamecube version just so I don't have to deal with it. In fact, you know what. They should make a Gamecube version of Galaxy

You give up way too easily. Seriously.

[banditcom]

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Idiots at DeepDiscount decided to not cancel my order of SMG and send it anyways. So now I'll have two. >_> Oh well.... I'll tell my bro to give me $20 and then I'll give to him for Christmas as I'm only spending $25 on each of them.

[Squeek]

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Idiots at DeepDiscount decided to not cancel my order of SMG and send it anyways. So now I'll have two. >_> Oh well.... I'll tell my bro to give me $20 and then I'll give to him for Christmas as I'm only spending $25 on each of them.

Happened to me too.

I'm going to sell the other to my friend for $45. That's 10% off the retail price.

Fortunately, I got my orders for Z&W and Trauma Center 2 canceled. Z&W wasn't much of a deal anyway and I got $5 off Trauma Center 2 at FamilyVideo (AKA $41).

[Relambrien]

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ps who is this Relambrien and why is he so reasonable

I just have a knack for empathizing with people, so I've traditionally taken the place of mediator or argument clarifier in disagreements. When serving as one of the participants in the debate or argument, I'm the one who tries to avoid using emotions and instead opts for logic to explain the points behind my position. In this case, I clarified what you were trying to say by explaining it as emotionally-neutrally as possible, using my points which I figured were similar to yours.

[zidart]

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it's not even out yet and a soccer mom already complained about the wii zapper being a motivation for kids to use guns.......and i say... please that's just stupid the wii zapper doesn't even look or feel like a real gun, is designerd just to make you aim better and feel smooth.... besides this is nothing new, this kind of lightguns are as old as the NES or even older.

[Kenzya]

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Me and my friend used to run around pretending to shoot eachother with the NES Zapper guns. They were the most gun shaped thing in the house. Plus, they made that CLANG sound when you pulled the trigger.

[Afrobean]

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You know they had to stop making the NES guns the color they were originally? This is why sometimes you may see a grey one and other times you'll see orange ones. The one I have is orange

ps no i do believe I had a decent handle on spin attacking, but there would be times where I would shake it and it would do nothing and the guy would run into me. I believe Squeek said the same thing himself, so it's not just me, and it's not that we aren't competent. It's that shaking a controller is never as precise as pressing a button. I don't care if you can do it just as precisely, because that's just you... pressing a button is a digital action while shaking is analog-- if you try to press a button you will always either press it or not press it, but if you shake it, you might not shake it in just the right way or your shake might not activate the attack until later in the shake than you would expect due to having no clearly defined point of initiation.