Religious people aren't as smart as Atheists

[devonin]

Re: Religious people aren't as smart as Atheists

This, I think, is the main reason why Grandiagod was surprised to find this thread moved into CT. I'm pretty sure he didn't think these results were especially rigorous or accurate, it was just a chance to poke fun at Chardish.

[fido123]

Re: Religious people aren't as smart as Atheists

That's most every religion dude

I was using Christianity as an example. I think in my original post it stated that.

[lord_carbo]

Re: Religious people aren't as smart as Atheists

PS: took two IQ tests today and got 140+ on both. (fyi- I'm a genius)

Internet IQ tests are a bitch.

FYI, mine is I believe around 118 realistically, give or take.

Concerning IQ tests in general: there's definitely a noticeable correlation between just what I'd consider smart and one's IQ. I would not deny that. However, all they do is test most forms of cognitive thinking and are not good determinants as to how people apply it daily or even in situations which call for it. There are kids with higher IQs in my grade and it feels like not many kids in my school or people in general have the capacity to think critically and at least the attention span and rationale to skim through facts and make deductions from them before making uninformed conclusions. Additionally, Squeek has even accused me of cheating when he was posting lots of abstract brainteasers in TGB because I solved them faster than I probably should have. Yet my IQ is 118. Stunning. Is it accurate? As far as I'm concerned, yes.

Don't look at IQs as objective measurements of intelligence to oneself, rather, as decently reliable measurements of logical interpretation and pattern recognition. Just look at autistic savants.

Just for a bit of background, Internet IQ tests are completely, completely unreliable. Don't trust them at all. I just have a feeling that if you got 140's on two IQ tests in the same day, that they were taken on the Internet. Sorry bud.

[User6773]

Re: Religious people aren't as smart as Atheists

This, I think, is the main reason why Grandiagod was surprised to find this thread moved into CT. I'm pretty sure he didn't think these results were especially rigorous or accurate, it was just a chance to poke fun at Chardish.

Well, if he wasn't looking for an actual discussion, he was trolling, which is bannable.

[Verruckter]

Re: Religious people aren't as smart as Atheists

Not in the GBin...

[commander_toast]

Re: Religious people aren't as smart as Atheists

I'm christian and I belive God created the heavan and the earths and thas what i stick with

[Verruckter]

Re: Religious people aren't as smart as Atheists

I'm christian and I belive God created the heavan and the earths and thas what i stick with

This behavior is exactly what makes atheists beleive they are smarter (not trying to criticise you, just saying). It's the lack of open-mindedness, taking everything as it is and not questionning it.

Wether or not this is really a sign of lac of intelligence, I don't have the required information to say yet.

[Afrobean]

Re: Religious people aren't as smart as Atheists

Well, if he wasn't looking for an actual discussion, he was trolling, which is bannable.

99% of what goes on in TGB is bannable if you're going to be a doodiehead like that. Hell, even staff behavior in TGB is against the forum rules a lot of the time, some of them even breaking Gbin specific rules.

Also, did anyone find it funny that the thread about religion gets taken seriously and moved to a serious forum, while the similarly functioned thread about race was left in TGB and actually locked and moved into the Dead Zone?

[Verruckter]

Re: Religious people aren't as smart as Atheists

99% of what goes on in TGB is bannable if you're going to be a doodiehead like that. Hell, even staff behavior in TGB is against the forum rules a lot of the time, some of them even breaking Gbin specific rules.

Also, did anyone find it funny that the thread about religion gets taken seriously and moved to a serious forum, while the similarly functioned thread about race was left in TGB and actually locked and moved into the Dead Zone?

riligiun is impurtan

[lord_carbo]

Re: Religious people aren't as smart as Atheists

riligiun is impurtan

If you believe the notion that if nonbelievers receive eternal punishment while the opposite is true for believers, and that god is omnipotent and omniscient and by result is infallible, then yes, religion is very important.

99% of what goes on in TGB is bannable if you're going to be a doodiehead like that. Hell, even staff behavior in TGB is against the forum rules a lot of the time, some of them even breaking Gbin specific rules.

Not really.

[Verruckter]

Re: Religious people aren't as smart as Atheists

If you believe the notion that if nonbelievers receive eternal punishment while the opposite is true for believers, and that god is omnipotent and omniscient and by result is infallible, then yes, religion is very important.

No, it was a sarcastic comment that meant to compare the importance of both threads mentionned by Afrobean.

[Izzy-chandess]

Re: Religious people aren't as smart as Atheists

I don't think that it has anything to do with religion. I'm not religious and I have an I.Q. of 96. I look really stupid compared to geniuses with I.Q.'s of 140, honestly. Yet do I have religion? Not really. Atheists can be dumb, too. So why am I posting in CT...? >.>

[lord_carbo]

Re: Religious people aren't as smart as Atheists

No, it was a sarcastic comment that meant to compare the importance of both threads mentionned by Afrobean.

Oh, whatever.

Anyway, thread is stupid, study has been debunked, let's move on, etc.

[Reach]

Re: Religious people aren't as smart as Atheists

I've heard of IQs down below 60, and I've heard of IQs up into the 190s.

140 is generally the minimum for entry in MENSA, so if you consider all MENSA members to be geniuses, then I guess that isn't a terrible bar to set, but if I were going to assign "Genius" to any subset of the population, it would have to be smaller than the top 1.0% and since MENSA ~= 140 ~= top 2%, I have to set my bar higher than that.

140 is extremely high...which is probably why he took an invalid internet IQ test >__>. He took two tests in the same day, so it's pure bs. Real tests usually take awhile, and the most common ones usually cost a few hundred dollars to administer. You can try taking 'test the nation' (Canadian) online if you want a fairly valid IQ test.

Most test batteries aren't even capable of scores over 130-140. At least for adults. If you were tested under the age of 16 then the scale can go up to infinity, technically, and it's not the same. Michael Keanary has a 'childhood' ratio IQ of 330. But anyway, 140 is 99.6th percentile for adults, and 130 is the Mensa cutoff. Tests that can go over 140 include WAIS, Binet, Ravens APM, some Catell scales and a few others, and none of them have ceilings over 160. 190 is ridiculous... one in a billion, and there are only a few people on the planet with an IQ that high. For the record, since there are currently no psychometrically valid tests capable of going over 166, any scores higher than that are extrapolations (ex Chris Langan).

I like to think of IQ as analogous to pc specs. Just because you're running a smooth ride doesn't mean you have any good hardware on it or that you utilize it.


Anyway, these results aren't surprising. The white-black gap in IQ has been known for a long time. Since the early 1900s. As an FYI, asians average higher than whites. Well educated people tend to have higher IQ's...and there are less religous people in academia than in the general public. People tend to leave these types of faith based systems when they become more knowledgable.

As for the causes of this, some people have already pointed out a couple. IQ= genes + environment. From there it's pretty obvious.

[aperson]

Re: Religious people aren't as smart as Atheists

Metaphysical numbery stuffery

Why are you so obsessed with IQ; you are intense about gauging your pattern recognition skills, man.