Homosexual Marriage

[Chrissi]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

It feels a whole lot different to be forced to have an orgasm than it does to be forced to have an orgasm inside of you which could potentially make you pregnant.

I sense something wrong with that statement.

[ToshX]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

I define it differently depending on who is different.

The reason I believe it to be correct that way is because both genders don't go through the same things. If both genders had the same body parts, I'd say otherwise.

I sense something wrong with that statement.

I don't. Tell me, then, what is wrong?

[Chrissi]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

t feels a whole lot different to be forced to have an orgasm than it does to be forced to have an orgasm inside of you

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[ToshX]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

As in, for a girl to be forced to have a guy cum inside of her.

Doesn't that make sense <__<

[metalliram]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

There has never been a woman who raped "for the fun of it".

Uh, what about the girl I knew who raped several girls AND her boyfriend just because she was bored and wanted to amuse herself?

It feels a whole lot different to be forced to have an orgasm than it does to be forced to have an orgasm inside of you which could potentially make you pregnant.

The reason I believe it to be correct that way is because both genders don't go through the same things. If both genders had the same body parts, I'd say otherwise.

You're right. Men and women would go through VERY different things both physically and emotionally. But you are suggesting that a woman's experience would automatically be worse. I don't agree with that. I think that they would be equally, and uniquely horrifying experiences. For a woman it would be because they were being physically harmed, could become pregnant, could get an STD. For a man it would be because they were physically being taken advantage of, could get an STD, could GET THE RAPIST pregnant and have to deal with the problems that came with that. Problems like potentially being unable to support or protect a child they helped concieve, and knowing the mother was not a very good person (to say the least). As well as various other types of mental and financial damage.

And emotionally the woman would feel violated, dominated, 'ruined', worthless. While a man could easily feel those same things. I've heard of raped women feeling shame over unwanted arousal during their rape... imagine the feelings a man would experience over not only feeling unwanted, and unwilled arousal... but the fact that his very arousal was what allowed him to be raped!

[Chrissi]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

As in, for a girl to be forced to have a guy cum inside of her.

Doesn't that make sense <__<

You mean forced to have someone else have an orgasm inside you. The way you phrased it made it nonsensical.

[ToshX]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

You mean forced to have someone else have an orgasm inside you. The way you phrased it made it nonsensical.

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. Sorry if I worded it poorly, I was kind of distracted with something and couldn't really get the wording out properly. Basically, the idea was in my head, but I got interrupted while typing it and it ended up looking really weird and even gave off the wrong message.

But you are suggesting that a woman's experience would automatically be worse.

I didn't mean it that way. I'm saying if the EXACT SAME THINGS happened to the EXACT SAME people(assuming two people could be exactly the same, that is), it'd usually be harder on the girl because it's a lot more unpleasant having something stuffed in you while probably bleeding all over than it is having something trying to make you have an orgasm.

I think that they would be equally, and uniquely horrifying experiences.

I wouldn't say equally, but they would both be horrifying experiences, don't get me wrong.

could GET THE RAPIST pregnant and have to deal with the problems that came with that. Problems like potentially being unable to support or protect a child they helped concieve, and knowing the mother was not a very good person (to say the least). As well as various other types of mental and financial damage.

If someone were really raped and got someone pregnant WITHOUT IT BEING THEIR CHOICE, I'm sure something could be arranged so that the one raped is not held responsible. I don't know this as a fact, but I'd think if the lawmakers used common sense with this one, they'd see that a person who's forced into making someone pregnant shouldn't be forced to raise the child, or even SUPPORT the child.

but the fact that his very arousal was what allowed him to be raped!

Well, there's not much that can be done. It's not as if he would have a choice or would enjoy it if he really didn't want it. I mean, no matter how much you're against it, if someone's stroking your dick, you're probably going to be aroused.

I mean, you could hate it so much, you could hate how it feels. You could hate how the person looks. You could be trying to think of things to make the erection go down. However, in the end, there's really no avoiding it. The fact that it's physical basically takes over most mental parts making it almost impossible to not be aroused if a person tries hard enough.

Same goes for women. They could be screaming and crying, trying to get away, but they'd still be aroused just because of the physical thing that's happening to them.

Also, I realize it could be even MORE humiliating for men to get raped simply because they were "overpowered", and it could really hurt them as a person, make them want to change their gender/sexuality, etc. I'm not saying they don't go through the exact same things, I'm just saying given exactly equal circumstances with the same people of different genders, women are probably more likely to get more hurt just due to the fact of how the rape occurs.

[metalliram]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

I'm saying if the EXACT SAME THINGS happened to the EXACT SAME people(assuming two people could be exactly the same, that is), it'd usually be harder on the girl because it's a lot more unpleasant having something stuffed in you while probably bleeding all over than it is having something trying to make you have an orgasm.

So you were reffering only to the actual penetration. I was thinking broader than that. But yes, I agree that it would be far more physically unpleasant to be penetrated forcefully.

I wouldn't say equally, but they would both be horrifying experiences, don't get me wrong.

Are you still reffering only to the penetration?

If someone were really raped and got someone pregnant WITHOUT IT BEING THEIR CHOICE, I'm sure something could be arranged so that the one raped is not held responsible. I don't know this as a fact, but I'd think if the lawmakers used common sense with this one, they'd see that a person who's forced into making someone pregnant shouldn't be forced to raise the child, or even SUPPORT the child.

I was thinking more of the emotional damage that might be caused for the father of the child if he were to be PREVENTED from being involved with the child. Custody of children is almost always given to mothers. If a man were to care about the child, despite how it was conceived, he would have almost no leverage to get custody. And due to the general opinion that women either don't rape, or that it is a very small matter when they do, he would also most likely have a hard time convincing anyone the child was not the result of a one-night stand. Also, while a woman would have considerable physical evidence of the rape, a man might be unable to show such proof.

Well, there's not much that can be done. It's not as if he would have a choice or would enjoy it if he really didn't want it. I mean, no matter how much you're against it, if someone's stroking your dick, you're probably going to be aroused.

My point isn't about whether or not it can be helped. It's about the deep shame that I can imagine would come as a result. For women there's enough shame involved when they become aroused while being raped. For men, there would also be potential self-hatred due to the fact that if he were not aroused, the woman would not be able to rape him. If a woman is aroused while being raped, it makes no difference as to whether she can be raped or not, whereas for a man, it creates the possibility.

[ToshX]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Are you still reffering only to the penetration?

Well, when I was talking about that, yes.

I was thinking more of the emotional damage that might be caused for the father of the child if he were to be PREVENTED from being involved with the child. Custody of children is almost always given to mothers. If a man were to care about the child, despite how it was conceived, he would have almost no leverage to get custody. And due to the general opinion that women either don't rape, or that it is a very small matter when they do, he would also most likely have a hard time convincing anyone the child was not the result of a one-night stand. Also, while a woman would have considerable physical evidence of the rape, a man might be unable to show such proof.

This is true. The only way he could really prove that it was rape is if the woman abused him during it.

Then again, a woman could, without being abused or even raped, say the same thing if there was simply sex...

My point isn't about whether or not it can be helped. It's about the deep shame that I can imagine would come as a result. For women there's enough shame involved when they become aroused while being raped. For men, there would also be potential self-hatred due to the fact that if he were not aroused, the woman would not be able to rape him. If a woman is aroused while being raped, it makes no difference as to whether she can be raped or not, whereas for a man, it creates the possibility.

Yeah, but I don't think it would be THAT bad considering there would be absolutely nothing they could do to stop it. But maybe that feeling of helplessness would make them feel worse. I don't really know how it'd turn out.

[metalliram]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Then again, a woman could, without being abused or even raped, say the same thing if there was simply sex...

Who do you honestly think is more likely to be believed? A woman, or a man.... The woman claiming to be raped, while having not actually been, is in a position of power because she is more likely to be believed. The man who was actually raped is in a position where he will most likely not be believed, thus causing him even more suffering.

Yeah, but I don't think it would be THAT bad considering there would be absolutely nothing they could do to stop it. But maybe that feeling of helplessness would make them feel worse. I don't really know how it'd turn out

Well, imagine you were being tortured... we'll say with electric shock. That would be distressing enough. But add in a new factor, a device that stimulates your brain. This device interacts with your brain in such a manner to cause you to uncontrollably move your arm. You can't help that your arm is moving... that's just what happens when your brain recieves certain messages... but unless your arm is moving, you cannot be shocked. Now not only are you in a situation where you are being tortured, but if you were to prevent your body from functioning in a certain way, you could stop the method of torture. Would you feel ok because you just couldn't help it?

I know that seems like an odd way to try to explain it... but I hope it gets the point across.

[-paexaea-]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Holy ****, how do you go from Homosexual Marriage to rape?

Jesus christ.

[ToshX]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Who do you honestly think is more likely to be believed? A woman, or a man.... The woman claiming to be raped, while having not actually been, is in a position of power because she is more likely to be believed. The man who was actually raped is in a position where he will most likely not be believed, thus causing him even more suffering.

Well of course. The way things work is bull****, if I may say so myself.

Well, imagine you were being tortured... we'll say with electric shock. That would be distressing enough. But add in a new factor, a device that stimulates your brain. This device interacts with your brain in such a manner to cause you to uncontrollably move your arm. You can't help that your arm is moving... that's just what happens when your brain recieves certain messages... but unless your arm is moving, you cannot be shocked. Now not only are you in a situation where you are being tortured, but if you were to prevent your body from functioning in a certain way, you could stop the method of torture. Would you feel ok because you just couldn't help it?

If I honestly could not help myself, I would not feel as bad, to be perfectly honest. Then again, I have a really weird way of doing things, and end up not feeling very bad for doing some things I do that others consider terrible simply because I can't help myself, so there's no reason trying to change it more than a possible amount.

I know that seems like an odd way to try to explain it... but I hope it gets the point across.

No, I understood you pretty well.

I mean, to be entirely honest, I don't know how I'd react, because nothing like that has ever happened to me physically.

Holy ****, how do you go from Homosexual Marriage to rape?

Jesus christ.

Dunno, read a page or two back or whenever this rape topic started. I consider it very interesting, myself, as we've said almost everything there is to say about homosexual marriage until someone brings up a new point that reverts it back to the topic.

[metalliram]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

There have been a lot of topics covered over the history of this thread. It's sort of a 'how many steps to reach THIS from THIS' kind of thing....

You could go from cereal boxes to genocide if you talked long enough.

[ToshX]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

Yeah, conversations change drastically all of the time. I was once talking to a regular here about Diablo 2, then it turned into a talk of bestiality, then about an FFR regular or something. "Unrelated" things turn into related things fairly quickly.

[Biz Ounce]

Re: Homosexual Marriage

gay fagggots burn in hell